enfp can be shy

Thanks ENFP, I like your perspectives too, even if I argue them sometimes.

Mmm.... thanks zzzzzz...

It's possible. However, if it is the case, then those that are actually ENFJs regularly test INFJ for some reason. I don't know if this is an issue inherent to ENFJs to self identify as introverts, or if the type models simply don't apply to everyone and we are actually borderline INFJ / ENFJs... something outside the scope. I know in my own case, my N functions are better developed and more used than my F functions. The only reason I'm considering that I'm an ENFJ is that I tend to start at F, but usually go to N very quickly after that. In most issues, I skip my F. And, in a lot of issues I go N then F.

I'm rather certain that I'm able to switch from Fe > Ni > Se > Ti to Ni > Fe > Ti > Se when situations call for it. My 'quest' has been to figure out which of these is my inherent state. Right now, I'm leaning toward ENFJ being my inherent state, but that could be wrong. Both of these modes feel very natural to me.

My father is an ISTP, as is one of my lifelong friends, which I'm sure are the source of my Ti and Se influences. However, I'm convinced I'm an NFJ of some sort, and am currently leaning toward ENFJ. I am a very 'Feeler' type person, and my Intuition is clearly stronger than my Sensing functions. I've had the classic N vs. S clashes my entire life, which of course have sometimes been epic due to my having a strong Fe.

Interesting description of childhood backgrounds. Both are very applicable to me, with my childhood going from one extreme to the other in various phases. Perhaps this is what caused me to be such an ambivert. I know that my pre-memory personality was very outgoing and on the go, so I think I started as ENFJ, but had many struggles over the years that developed strong INFJ traits, even a few phases of my life that had me pushed all the way into STP modes for brief periods. Interesting.

My Ni is better developed than my Fe, actually. But, I am pretty sure that I use Fe first then refine with Ni, not the other way around. If I'm right, then this is what's been causing all the type confusion. I'm atypical in my development, but personality types are based on the order in which we use our functions, not how well we use them.

Oh, so that's how it works! It makes sense. Because 1. you Ni folks tend to be reserved most of the time, even the extroverted ones; as if something is being processed under the surface always unknown; That gets us Ne folks quite curious, so we often ask what's going on there, which is apparently annoying ^^ 2. you strike suddenly from time to time with these nailed astonishingly correct summaries of reality, which make me feel that I couldn't formulate that well, even if I spent a lot of dedicated time on it.

But before all, it's an illusion of functionality that gets each side to be surprised and impressed by the other side's abilities. Sometimes I can't believe the explanations that it's "easy, and you can do it too", but it's probably right, it's not some supreme intellect, more like, different model of concentration of the efforts. It can look quite strange for the other one, almost magical, impossible, but it's not thaaaat different.

About the status quo thing, I usually see F/T-dominant types as more into doing, into results, so they tend to be more conservative on average. They want to use what works, now, and keep their weird theories under judging control. That's what I meant by it. However, they do have their own weird theories as well, and if you are ENFJ that just means that you feel secure enough in the nurturing creative environment of the INFJ world, to share such ideas while they are still raw.

I'm not 100% convinced, but I am definitely leaning ENFJ right now. I think you're confusing ESFJ and ENFJ a little. Si is the function that wants the status quo, tradition, etc. Fe is the function that has the innate 'vow to be strong for those they protect'. ENFJs lean on Ni, which is the function that seeks the answer, regardless of the box. I think ENFJs will lean on the side of 'status quo' if they know it will make the people they protect happier, but only because that's the 'best answer' for that situation. From what I have seen in the ENFJs I know, and from what I've read, ENFJs are best described as INFJs who are driven by their much stronger 'vow to protect' Fe, but have a solid 'seeing the truth / best answer' Ni function.

It became apparent to me that I use my Ni in a parental manner (Beebe's secondary function role) by coming up with all of these notions and theories. Hehe, I'm glad you enjoy them. But, I'm constantly using my Ni to refine what my Fe feels is correct. (Fe > Ni) And while these ideas might seem to come out of nowhere, like Ne, they take me days or even weeks to formulate. I envy the Ne ability to think at lightspeed and be instantly creative that you guys have.

No problem. Clashing has nothing to do with how I feel about people. If anything, it makes me respect them for standing their ground. You're awesome. I'm trying the ENFJ label on again to see how it feels. If you're interested, you can see how I got here in this thread.

Wow! This is incredibly interesting!!! I'm happy I asked! :-D I'm going to research this. Riveting!!! (And thanks for your reply! )

"self-awareness is bunk"

Really? Why do feel this way? I'm very curious, because I assumed all N-types were interested in being self-aware (I'm saying this knowing I'm far less self-aware than, say, an INFJ). Is it that you're more interested in doing? If so, I relate to that because I think what a person does is more important than what they think ... if a person thinks "excellently" but never offers their perspectives or talents or anything to the world, other people can really miss out on their contribution. So ... yeah ... what do you think?

I just wanted to say hi, and I hope you have a great day.

I know, and it'll probably be built before I'm qualified to take part, and I doubt that's what I'd end up doing. It's just one of those childish fantasies that keeps me motivated. =D I like your life plan. Education is the best part of life anyways so might as well spend it learning as much as possible.

I love yours too Glad to have you as a friend.

Thanks for dropping by my page. Be my friend?

hey you're back!!!!!!!

You're an interesting fellow. In like a good way!

thank you :becky::becky:

thanks! Awesome! What's your elvish name?

Hey, how are ya? *hugs* I felt like bugging you maybe if your real still I'll go away.lol Oh wait just kidding you can't get rid of me.