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The Minimal Facts for the Resurrection of Christ.
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The point of my post was that I don't like the fighting, so I chose to post something silly instead of engaging with it. I could have joined the fight and opposed the resurrection, but I chose not to do that. I perhaps have an unconventional way of expressing that I dislike the conflict.
If it were just a "friendly debate" that would be different, but the energy is way off for this to be considered friendly. You don't ask people why they're on the forum in a friendly debate. I think I would rather see unity, as opposed to this. This fight has only created division and tension. No one has been brought together, only pushed further apart.
If it were just a "friendly debate" that would be different, but the energy is way off for this to be considered friendly. You don't ask people why they're on the forum in a friendly debate. I think I would rather see unity, as opposed to this. This fight has only created division and tension. No one has been brought together, only pushed further apart.
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When someone actively attacks and mocks the dogmas of another religion while using their own faith as a shield, it's only natural to wonder why they are spending their Shabbat posting on a forum instead of reflecting. You don't get to lecture others or hide behind 'friendly debate' when your own actions contradict the exact principles you claim to stand for.
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I think that questioning dogma is healthy and essential. We aren't living in George Orwell's 1984. I don't consider that to be some horrible offense, I find it to be ideal. I think I prefer looking at books like the bible as a collection of metaphors and teachings, rather than leaning toward a black-and-white literalist interpretation.
Everyone thinks that they're right, everyone of every faith. They think they have the answer and everyone else is wrong. I am incapable of displaying that same confidence. It feels a little arrogant to me, being so sure that you're right. None of us will truly have the answers until we pass away and get to the other side, if there is one.
Everyone thinks that they're right, everyone of every faith. They think they have the answer and everyone else is wrong. I am incapable of displaying that same confidence. It feels a little arrogant to me, being so sure that you're right. None of us will truly have the answers until we pass away and get to the other side, if there is one.
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Everyone keeps fighting over who is right, and all I can think is "What if none of us are?"
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I make no claim. I do not know. How could I know? And even if I thought I knew, how could I be certain?
I do not know. I do not have the sense that I could know.
But I certainly question. I inquire. So I ask, and I respond, but I do not fight.
I have nothing to defend. I make no claim.
Because extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, I make no claim.
And even if I did, of what consequence would that be? I would simply be sharing my opinion...
...just like everyone else has done.
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Ian
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This isn't a philosophical debate about who holds the absolute truth; it's a much simpler matter of intellectual honesty.
It’s easy to retreat into relativism and ask 'what if none of us are right?' only after being caught mocking other people's beliefs.
True open-mindedness isn't a shield you get to use to escape accountability when your bluff is called.
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this thread was opened as an invitation to debate, a challenge to debate. Someone took up that challenge with vigor...only to be chastised.
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She wasn’t chastised for taking up his debate she was chastised for mocking God and another persons faith. Big difference.
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And so with the ad hominem too, so it can be said the thread was started in bad faith.
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Indeed, but we must keep in mind that the right to say anything is offered to all. The content is immaterial.
Also, offense is the responsibility of those offended.
I think what was offered was tomfoolery, and perhaps distasteful.
At the same time, when Christians have said to my face that I will burn in hell, and that I am corrupted, and held in the sway of Satan, I might feel offended.
I do not. I regard it as distasteful tomfoolery.
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Ian
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I would agree with the responsibility being on the offended, but for me this is akin to victim shaming. In a verbal exchange one can wound another just the same. If someone stalks or abuses another, does it then stand to reason that the victim is also to blame and should own his or her trauma as the one who feels wronged?
The “humor”utilized was a lot more than distasteful, it was disgusting and the mockery of God. If she was on a forum full of Palestinians and made the same mockery of Allah, people would understand the offense taken. But that’s just my personal opinion, ofc.
Some things are just jokes and indeed the offense can then lay with the offended.
This was not that.
