A proposal for the staff

UBERROGO said:
You guys are off the wall now. Im just going to read your posts now instead of trying to discuss shadow personalities.
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You know, looking at myself, I do agree with your assessment.

Just wondering (and trying to get back on topic-- my bad!), on what aspects do you think he's related with shadow personalities? I can see a totally pissed off shadowing INTJ, but.... I need to be more careful with my words, clearly. :P
 
I think what [MENTION=1871]muir[/MENTION] was saying was that he's noticed a tread in the users who have migrated here from INTJf. From what I've seen from the INTJf, it is a much more "harsh" place than here, and I know where I want to spend my internet time. I don't exactly agree that users coming from INTJf are the same in nature (nor do I think that's what muir was saying), but I do think that we've had a number of members from INTJf that act in a vastly different, if not offensive, way to what we are used to here. The most vocal in a negative way seem to have a common root from the INTJf. Of course, that's not to say all, or even a majority, of people from INTJf act this way, just that some of our more vocal members seem to come from there. I don't think muir was attacking INTJs in any way, but rather the nature of INTJf and some of its clientele.
 
bamf said:
I think what @muir was saying was that he's noticed a tread in the users who have migrated here from INTJf. From what I've seen from the INTJf, it is a much more "harsh" place than here, and I know where I want to spend my internet time. I don't exactly agree that users coming from INTJf are the same in nature (nor do I think that's what muir was saying), but I do think that we've had a number of members from INTJf that act in a vastly different, if not offensive, way to what we are used to here. The most vocal in a negative way seem to have a common root from the INTJf. Of course, that's not to say all, or even a majority, of people from INTJf act this way, just that some of our more vocal members seem to come from there. I don't think muir was attacking INTJs in any way, but rather the nature of INTJf and some of its clientele.
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Yes that's what i meant

many of my posts are about what the shapers of our society/culture are

If i hated INTJ's i wouldn't live with one!

I mentioned an ENTP i debated with in another thread who openly admited he was 'selfish' but it wasn't meant as a commentary on all ENTP's it was a commentary on how there is a section of society (made up, no doubt, of all sorts of MBTI types) who seem to be more aggressively dominating than the rest of society

Most people are just going about their business but there are some people who are really looking to dominate. I said the world was how it was because these people are running amok

There was even a test done by criminal psychologists on rats who found that when food was withheld from rats and their enviornment was shrunk there was a certain percentage that began to bully the other rats, hoard the food and even turn to cannabalism (i think it was 5%)

I think this is all relevant in the light of the LIBOR rigging scandal and how it is all coming out in the papers now about how the bankers have been colluding to rip everyone off

I think if people wanna make sense of this stuff then this is the kind of thing to really get to grips with....we are letting the most aggressively dominant people run amok (that's not a disguised dig at certain personality types)
 
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bamf said:
I think what @muir was saying was that he's noticed a tread in the users who have migrated here from INTJf. From what I've seen from the INTJf, it is a much more "harsh" place than here, and I know where I want to spend my internet time. I don't exactly agree that users coming from INTJf are the same in nature (nor do I think that's what muir was saying), but I do think that we've had a number of members from INTJf that act in a vastly different, if not offensive, way to what we are used to here. The most vocal in a negative way seem to have a common root from the INTJf. Of course, that's not to say all, or even a majority, of people from INTJf act this way, just that some of our more vocal members seem to come from there. I don't think muir was attacking INTJs in any way, but rather the nature of INTJf and some of its clientele.
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In regards to those, yeah; I somewhat agree. Had my own doubts, but that's a far more reasonable observation.

muir said:
Yes that's what i meant

many of my posts are about what the shapers of our society/culture are
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One thing I does not know is that whether actions of the few is proof of a culture -- or it affects the culture. BUT I'M GETTING OT AGAIN SO.
 
Trifoilum said:
One thing I does not know is that whether actions of the few is proof of a culture -- or it affects the culture. BUT I'M GETTING OT AGAIN SO.
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I think there are cultures within cultures....

For example as the majority of people are just making their way in the world, paying taxes and cooperating with each other, there are micro-cultures created within a society; for example the current banking culture which has been about the reckless pursuit of short term profit to the detriment of the real economy of production and consumption (and therefore at the expense of the many)

The wider culture that has been created by the elites (but often reformed by activists) is one of capitalism which puts profits before people. Arguably the bankers are the product of such a system. despite our leaders saying things like 'there is no such thing as society' (Margaret Thatcher) the majority of people still don't conform to capitalism in its most red in tooth and claw form...that's because it is not a reflection of human nature (it's only a reflection of the worst aspect of human nature)

The system wants people to be cynical and ruthless and encourages them to be so but people still for the most part aren't behaving that way because people are social animals who like to cooperate and live in communities
 
muir said:
Yes that's what i meant

many of my posts are about what the shapers of our society/culture are

If i hated INTJ's i wouldn't live with one!

I mentioned an ENTP i debated with in another thread who openly admited he was 'selfish' but it wasn't meant as a commentary on all ENTP's it was a commentary on how there is a section of society (made up, no doubt, of all sorts of MBTI types) who seem to be more aggressively dominating than the rest of society

Most people are just going about their business but there are some people who are really looking to dominate. I said the world was how it was because these people are running amok

There was even a test done by criminal psychologists on rats who found that when food was withheld from rats and their enviornment was shrunk there was a certain percentage that began to bully the other rats, hoard the food and even turn to cannabalism (i think it was 5%)

I think this is all relevant in the light of the LIBOR rigging scandal and how it is all coming out in the papers now about how the bankers have been colluding to rip everyone off

I think if people wanna make sense of this stuff then this is the kind of thing to really get to grips with....we are letting the most aggressively dominant people run amok (that's not a disguised dig at certain personality types)
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What can we do about it? Seriously, is there anything we can do to stop it?
 
CindyLou said:
What can we do about it? Seriously, is there anything we can do to stop it?
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Sure....there are many ways to stop it

Do you mind me asking who you bank with?
 
I find that an odd question. Not that I don't trust you, I just don't know where you're going. I will say that I use Commerce Bank. I could be lying though or I could be telling the truth ;)
 
CindyLou said:
I find that an odd question. Not that I don't trust you, I just don't know where you're going. I will say that I use Commerce Bank. I could be lying though or I could be telling the truth ;)
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Yeah its fair enough not wanting to say over the internet to a total stranger who you bank with!

There is no nasty motive behind me asking....i'll explain.....

There is currently a movement to get people to move their money out of corporate banks and into community banks such as credit unions who are not playing casino games with peoples money like the corporate banks have done (the repeal of the glass-steagal act saw the tearing down of the barriers between depository banks and investment banks, leading to the exposure of peoples money to all sorts of global fraud which has been hidden behind things like derivatives....try and make any sense out of those things!)

Here's a website for the UK part of it: http://www.moveyourmoney.org.uk/

So why should people seek to move their money? It will de-capitalise the corporate banks who are basically behind the giant swindle that is the 'global economic crisis'

The thing to bare in mind is that money doesn't dissapear in a crisis it just changes hands. So if the public aren't any better off (see mass unemployment, home repossessions, cutting of public services and other 'austerity measures') then who is? THE BANKERS OF COURSE! (and the global investors who are intertwinned with the banks anyway)

The UK's biggest bank HSBC has had to apologise publically recently because it has gone public that they have been laundering money for terrorists, drug cartels and rogue states. here's a newspaper article about it which also has a video clip of a bank representative apologising:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/video/2012/jul/18/hsbc-laundering-drug-terrorists-video

So if you don't want your money to fuel violence around the world or to make global trillionaires even richer (at the expense of regular people) then it might be worth considering moving your money out of the corporate banks and into a credit union

This is one easy thing that anyone can do to help be the change that they want to see...voting with their feet
 
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I did this with all our cds and savings, I still have my checking account at a big bank though, I have been putting off doing all the work to realign the direct deposits and payments

the bank bail outs really pissed me off, I have a real problem with those jackals....they tanked the world economy and are only paying 15% taxes on the money they made doing it. (unless of course they opened a "mitt" account on the Cayman Islands )

There is also a movement to reimburse folks whose pension funds are invested in companies that spend whatever they want on political add campaigns.
 
The bank bailouts were probably the biggest heist in history!

In simple terms it was a massive transfer of wealth from the public to global investor creditors via the failed banks

If the politicians were really representing our interests they would have written the debts down to the ability to pay. This would have meant that some trillionaires would have seen their fortunes dented a little but it would have meant that the real economy wouldn't have suffered

Here's a great clip of US economist Michael Hudson explaining how this has been done throughout history to avoid financial catastrophe

[video=youtube;wvOlDlYlOIU]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wvOlDlYlOIU&feature=related[/video]
 
muir said:
Yeah its fair enough not wanting to say over the internet to a total stranger who you bank with!

There is no nasty motive behind me asking....i'll explain.....

There is currently a movement to get people to move their money out of corporate banks and into community banks such as credit unions who are not playing casino games with peoples money like the corporate banks have done (the repeal of the glass-steagal act saw the tearing down of the barriers between depository banks and investment banks, leading to the exposure of peoples money to all sorts of global fraud which has been hidden behind things like derivatives....try and make any sense out of those things!)

Here's a website for the UK part of it: http://www.moveyourmoney.org.uk/

So why should people seek to move their money? It will de-capitalise the corporate banks who are basically behind the giant swindle that is the 'global economic crisis'

The thing to bare in mind is that money doesn't dissapear in a crisis it just changes hands. So if the public aren't any better off (see mass unemployment, home repossessions, cutting of public services and other 'austerity measures') then who is? THE BANKERS OF COURSE! (and the global investors who are intertwinned with the banks anyway)

The UK's biggest bank HSBC has had to apologise publically recently because it has gone public that they have been laundering money for terrorists, drug cartels and rogue states. here's a newspaper article about it which also has a video clip of a bank representative apologising:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/video/2012/jul/18/hsbc-laundering-drug-terrorists-video

So if you don't want your money to fuel violence around the world or to make global trillionaires even richer (at the expense of regular people) then it might be worth considering moving your money out of the corporate banks and into a credit union

This is one easy thing that anyone can do to help be the change that they want to see...voting with their feet
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Ah, okay. I have a couple savings accounts with my credit union. I don't use them to pay bills because they don't have online bill pay but I suppose once they get up and running I don't see any issue with switching to them for my main checking account.
 
CindyLou said:
Ah, okay. I have a couple savings accounts with my credit union. I don't use them to pay bills because they don't have online bill pay but I suppose once they get up and running I don't see any issue with switching to them for my main checking account.
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Nice one!

Change doesn't have to be sudden or violent or harmful. We can all just do the little things that add up to a lot, but it needs increased awareness and coordinated effort and the internet is allowing that....exciting times!
 
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