A question on Gay Rights

TheLastMohican said:
Do they make any exceptions for those who die before reaching marrying age?
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No. They would likely go to the Terrestrial Kingdom. Also, it has to be in the temple. You can be married, but if it's not in the holy mormon temple, this one: http://www.ldschurchtemples.com/saltlake/
it doesn't count. My parents were married there because my father was brought up in the religion, but I never went to church, maybe a few times over the years but not regular and hardly enough to believe any of the BS. My mom is a Christian Scientist, but neither of them imposed their religion upon us. But I'm straying from the subject...

I mean really, under mormonism, nobody is going to hell. So if a Mormon Missionary has told any of you this, then they don't know the proper teachings. There is no eternal burning in hell shit in the LDS beliefs. Those who have sinned go to the lowest kingdom, which is equal to a Born Again Chrisitan's version of 'hell'. But it's still a kingdom where god governs, he just turns those people into servants.
Shai Gar said:
woooahhh, they've not been arrested for that shit?
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Nope. It's a recovery program that requires consent from the participants. Plus too, the mormon church doesn't directly link to Evergreen, they claim no association, however they fund the research and support a lot of what goes on in there, even if it's not 'official'.
 
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slant said:
Those who have sinned go to the lowest kingdom, which is equal to a Born Again Chrisitan's version of 'hell'. But it's still a kingdom where god governs, he just turns those people into servants.
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What kind of servants? Who do they serve? Are we talking like... parlormaids? Or the hebrews building the pyramids under the whip kinda servants?

Is "servant" code for "slave"?
 
ZenCat said:
What kind of servants? Who do they serve? Are we talking like... parlormaids? Or the hebrews building the pyramids under the whip kinda servants?

Is "servant" code for "slave"?
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Yes, Slaves.
 
God makes them slaves? Isn't slavery a sin?
 
Let me make sure I understand:

Are you telling me that Slavery is Sanctioned by Christianity, and is in fact God's will?

(p.s. it isn't a question of re-reading the bible for me)
 
ZenCat said:
Let me make sure I understand:

Are you telling me that Slavery is Sanctioned by Christianity, and is in fact God's will?

(p.s. it isn't a question of re-reading the bible for me)
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Are you asking me? If you are, then yes, from my understanding of the LDS church. But that's not where the belief comes from.

See: The Book of Mormon
 
Yes it is. It's no longer considered polite, and it's not legal in civil terrestrial society, so most christians like to pretend it's a sin. It's not a sin it's actually legal for true christians.
 
Whoa :(
 
Legal by default, that is; slavery was common in the ancient world, and was not usually in the racist context that we think of today, so there were no condemnations of it in the Bible. The only moral restrictions involved the treatment of slaves, which was about as advanced a teaching as one could expect from that time period.
When speaking of the selective slavery of black people (or other minority races), there is discouragement in the New Testament, because it becomes a matter of racism more than ownership.
 
It's from what I consider the worst of Christian Hypocrisies. Their belief that if it's "Socially Acceptable", it is Proper Christian Behavior". Most people who consider themselves Christian, are not really Christian if you look at what their religion is REALLY asking of them.
 
But... The belief that if you do not adhere to the writings of a particular religious text written by men, God will make you a slave (assumption here is that you'd be a slave for all eternity, since it's the afterlife)... is that a universal Christian belief?

Is the nature of the slavery outlined? Again... parlormaid in a nice crisp apron is a far cry from hebrews under the egyptian whips or africans being treated like animals (to name just two famously enslaved races).
 
ZenCat said:
But... The belief that if you do not adhere to the writings of a particular religious text written by men, God will make you a slave (assumption here is that you'd be a slave for all eternity, since it's the afterlife)... is that a universal Christian belief?

Is the nature of the slavery outlined? Again... parlormaid in a nice crisp apron is a far cry from hebrews under the egyptian whips or africans being treated like animals (to name just two famously enslaved races).
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The Church of Latter Day Saints differs from most religions. And actually, if you ask them, they try to curb your question. I get the impression that they don't want to define what being a 'servant' to God means. If you read into it though, it's not a maid bringing iced tea and eggs to Him; the servants in the 3rd kingdom are non-repented sinners, so they're supposed to be damned.
 
Africans were not treated like animals. The reasoning was that they were "Natural Children" and had to be protected, therefore they were kept confined, given labors, disciplined, and educated as to their order in life.

Also, How DARE you insinuate we keep animals like that!! My cat got food whenever he wanted it, fresh water, mice when he used to want them, protection, slept in my bed, got to vote on the girlfriends i brought home by scratching them if they were on his side of the bed, and had free reign of the house.
 
Shai Gar said:
Africans were not treated like animals. The reasoning was that they were "Natural Children" and had to be protected, therefore they were kept confined, given labors, disciplined, and educated as to their order in life.

Also, How DARE you insinuate we keep animals like that!! My cat got food whenever he wanted it, fresh water, mice when he used to want them, protection, slept in my bed, got to vote on the girlfriends i brought home by scratching them if they were on his side of the bed, and had free reign of the house.
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I suspect you're stabbing at my buttons with your stabby little finger, so I'll go chop root vegetables emphatically with a big knife instead of responding.
 
slant said:
Unlike many other religions, the mormons' focus is on helping gays turn straight rather than completely snubbing them. They have developed unique programs to help people in this quest, particularly gay men. Evergreen is one of the most popular programs. You are sent there, and immediantly come back 'straight'. They hook up clamps to a man's genitials and will show a slideshow of images: a woman, a flower, a tree, a picture of gay porn, and when the picture of gay porn comes up they will send volts of electricity through those clamps. They think it will re-condition the brain. It does not.

Many mormon men come out of these programs striaght, and marry women to have children. The truth of the matter is though that they are not straight, and it is not uncommon from them to have sexual affairs with other men who have supposedly 'recovered' at evergreen.

http://www.evergreeninternational.org/
That is a link to find out more about the 'miracle program' evergreen.
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:eek: :puke:
That is terrifying. Sounds like something from the 1970s or horrible medical experiments. I can't believe such an organization has not been sued, shut-down, and destroyed by now.
 
Shai Gar said:
I think they deserve the same rights everyone else has; The right to take whatever you can, and keep whatever you can defend.

What I hate is Marti Gras where there's a whole bunch over the top wankers parading around as if they deserve the right to fuck with my visual and personal space. Heterosexual and Homosexual peoples do that. Shits me off. What I also hate is being hit on after I tell them I'm not interested. There's a person who is staying at the hotel I work at, drag queen who keeps coming down to the front counter to hit on me and victor and all the other guests. It's pathetic, and extremely annoying. A Heterosexual guy cannot do that without being escorted off the property, so why should a homosexual guy be allowed to?

That's all the problems I have, and they're all tied into invasion of my personal space.
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I agree. I don't appreciate this either. But, having said that, I don't personally encounter it a lot on a daily basis.
 
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