It's just >.> you're coming over so agressively. Anything I say seems like and attack or something! I don't really feel this is going anywhere productive~
If you really want to know my opinion.... I really couldn't care less for all these conspiracy theories. What troubled me most was that some people feel that there are evil organizations out there that are only out there to do harm. I fail to believe in evil intentions. I fail to see that capitalism is some kind of evil system. I fail to see that "rich elites" are only here to subdue the lower classes. I fail to see the "evil intentions" to their actions.
That's the fundamental difference between us that aches me most.
I find it disturbing you cannot see a different "motive".
You find it disturbing that I don't see the "facts", that I cannot see their evil as well.
I don't care for these facts. I care for the ability to be able to understand that people can do the most heinious acts out of a sense of justice, no matter how misguided they may seem to us.
This whole thread is starting to become a cesspool of agression anyways.
Sorry for any bad feelings I may have created. I never wanted things to play out like this.
None of us did.
Whether something productive comes of it depends on what we learn from it.
You may not like your sisters style ('passionate') or my style ('aggressive') but if you enter into discussions on weighty matters that people care about, in a dismissive manner, then expect to get some reaction.
Dismissing me as a 'conspiracy theorist' is actually quite insulting. By parroting the capitalist media you are helping them to silence dissenting voices, by belittling what they have to say and dismissing all their claims as crazy 'conspiracies'
Please re-read the article that you posted and you will see that a claim that there is a financial elite who are influencing government policy is NOT a 'conspiracy theory'
Even Fukeyama, a capitalist apologist says:
- 'trickle down' is a myth
- de-regulation has caused massive problems
- inequality of wealth has grown to shocking levels
- the non transparent derivitives market has been a disaster
- the financial sector has expanded
- we have seen an oligarchy emerge and he even questions whether it is a plutocracy (it is. He is lying about the elites wanting the best for the people....they don't they want the best for themselves, otherwise they would share their wealth and beckon in a new fairer society)
He is wrong about a number of things though:
- Growing government is not a move to the 'left'....not the definition of socialism i believe in anyway. Because government is merely the committee of the capitalist class anyway so we are still losing power to them; that is merely state capitalism NOT socialism
- The increase in government influence hasn't seen benefits because all the money has been moved from the public purse into private hands....leaving a financial desert
- Government reforms are not properly wealth 'redistribution' because the money comes from the working class not from the capitalist class. So all they are doing is fleecing the taxpayers, to pay other taxpayers....robbing peter to pay paul, whilst robbing both peter and paul themselves
- Social mobility is a myth under their form of capitalism
- The New Deal and other reforms are essentially, in the long run, a waste of time because they still haven't fixed the fundamentals, which is the system itself
He argues, as the capitalists often do, that it is not the fault of the capitalist class that they exploited the people, rather it is the people's fault for letting them.
He speculates about why the people haven't risen up in a populist leftist movement to oppose the capitalist class, but he is failing to take into account the fact that most people are peace loving and don't want upheaval. Although he mentions the opiate effect of cheap credit and consumerism on calming the people, he does not mention the effect of the medicalisation of people's distress and the use of drugs to calm the population, or the impact the media or education system have on controlling the way people think, or the stoking of the fires of nationalism (war often unifies a country against a common foe...a well known ploy of the neo-conservatives; in their case the enemy is muslims or 'terrorists', before that it was the Russians....the US government got good mileage out of them and before that it was the Nazi's)
He wants to know why there isn't a leftist movement....the answer is that there will be as people learn how to organise again
There is going to be an upsurge of civil unrest as the 'austerity measures' bite in the west and more and more average people realise that they have been robbed by the financial elites who are all sitting pretty despite the economic carnage they have left in their wake.
Big pharma is just another cog in the machine, another brick in the wall
