Astrology

So a bit of a "timely" update as well since we have something coming (really soon) that's noteworthy.

We started a new eclipse cycle on January 5th with the mid-Capricorn/Vega new moon solar eclipse and tomorrow night (or Monday morning for those in Europe) we get the culmination of that first eclipse with the "super blood wolf moon" lunar eclipse over the next two days. The eclipse falls on 0 Aquarius (and 0 Leo) and features some unusual aspects, mostly Uranus T-square with sun and moon in this one and causing some unusually high tension levels. For anyone born on January, April, July or October 18-22 you can expect an extra jolt - in fact you have probably experienced some of it already due to the hard aspect from Uranus starting last year.

AstrologyKing has a more detailed read on the eclipse for those interested. The eclipse generally falls closest to fixed star Altair which has mostly good associations so there are some positive influences to counter the disruptive aspects from Uranus.
 
So a bit of a "timely" update as well since we have something coming (really soon) that's noteworthy.

We started a new eclipse cycle on January 5th with the mid-Capricorn/Vega new moon solar eclipse and tomorrow night (or Monday morning for those in Europe) we get the culmination of that first eclipse with the "super blood wolf moon" lunar eclipse over the next two days. The eclipse falls on 0 Aquarius (and 0 Leo) and features some unusual aspects, mostly Uranus T-square with sun and moon in this one and causing some unusually high tension levels. For anyone born on January, April, July or October 18-22 you can expect an extra jolt - in fact you have probably experienced some of it already due to the hard aspect from Uranus starting last year.

AstrologyKing has a more detailed read on the eclipse for those interested. The eclipse generally falls closest to fixed star Altair which has mostly good associations so there are some positive influences to counter the disruptive aspects from Uranus.
What do you mean by 'unusually high tension levels'? How can that manifest? I'm Aquarius Sun, Leo Moon, Leo rising.

I came here originally to post this article, and ask opinions, &c., but what you said here kind of stopped me in my tracks.
 
I dare say the article does seem to be grasping at straws a bit since it introduces so many correlations and makes so many conclusions which mostly seem to have little to do with astrology - more like there is a known dislike for it with some "arguments" against thrown in.

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What do you mean by 'unusually high tension levels'? How can that manifest? I'm Aquarius Sun, Leo Moon, Leo rising.

But this was the part I wanted to reply to, one bit at a time.
When we are born the imprint of the solar system's current configuration becomes embedded in our personality(*) and becomes known as our natal chart - someone born on your birthday would have the sun in the first couple of degrees of Aquarius (whereas mine is in the last degree of Capricorn, only some 2 degrees away and important with respect to this explanation) along with the other planets placed appropriately.

Our natal chart is then sensitive to being 'aspected' by other planetary influences throughout our lives, say the planet of another person's natal chart (there will always be many of those overlaps when we look at the charts of friends or people close to us) or one of the current planets, as in a a transit. A specific example of a transit is Uranus square Sun which I was going for with describing in this case. Say you have your sun very near the 0 Aquarius degree - when one of the current (real) planets advances to 0 Taurus or 0 Scorpio it will be said to form a 90 degree aspect called a square to your sun, with the interpretation for this applying for the duration. As it happens Uranus (the ruler of Aquarius) is currently in 29 Aries and advancing rapidly toward 0 Taurus so this configuration is very much active in the lives of those born with the sun between 28 Capricorn and 2 Aquarius (and those born 6 months exactly from these dates) which is where I came up with that date range in the earlier post.

And because an eclipse acts to highlight the themes matching the degree where it lands (and this last eclipse landed at 0 Aquarius) the eclipse configuration was also square Uranus just as any person having the sun in that degree would experience, hence the unusually high tension levels. In fact I'm trying to keep this as short on tiny details as possible since I don't want to lose as you try to read through it. Here is the interpretation for Uranus square Sun transit lifted from astro.com; there are some specific examples of how this played out for me last year in the earlier pages of this thread.

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(*) This is perhaps one of the foundational pieces of astrology and one which turns people off right from the start due to the apparent lack of "logic" behind its operation
 
What do you mean by 'unusually high tension levels'? How can that manifest? I'm Aquarius Sun, Leo Moon, Leo rising.

I came here originally to post this article, and ask opinions, &c., but what you said here kind of stopped me in my tracks.

The reason I dislike Astrology is exactly because of what jkxx posted. I've found most astrologers to be pessimists, or at least to like dramatic possibilities. It causes needless stress. I stress over the possibilities presented, and those possibilities never materialize. "Oh there are all these eclipses so this year is going to be a time of painful change!" Well, life in general is about change, things will always go wrong, and there is always some stress. One's attitude and approach holds them together. Reading predictions that are pessimistic doesn't really help one "hold it together". It can be a self-fulfilling prophecy, too, because you're looking for and waiting for that moment, or the idea of the new moon, or the eclipse, etc, causes you to ponder things and make changes (because you know the phase is about change). Or say, Mercury Retrograde happens and everyone says that's why my bus was late, and don't buy electronics because electronics are affected by MR, etc, but my washing machine broke down, and my coffee machine broke, and the bus was late when it wasn't Mercury Retrograde, so what is the excuse then? For a long time, I read monthly horoscopes a month late, just to see if anything came true in them. Aside from vague predictions that could be about anything, no, they were not accurate.

When I get insecure and need guidance in my life because my life is upside down, I gravitate more toward astrology, runes, and tarot. As soon as I start reading horoscopes I know there is a problem I need to address and that I need to stop relying on devices. During such a time I read Susan Miller, but she just got more and more pessimistic as her personal life took a turn. Her pessimism stressed me out, and nothing she ever said was right. If her lengthy horoscopes matched me a little it was because what she wrote was vague, but they were usually inaccurate. I stopped reading them.

I do really like the mindfulness and organization of focusing on change, reflection, peace, etc, that astrologists suggest for phases of the moon, eclipses, etc. "This phase is about this, so it is a good time to focus on this in your life."
That is self-controlled and about ritual, and it is lovely. I'm not a ritual-oriented person, either, but as an agnostic pagan, I have a lot of pagan friends who are and I have an appreciation for these rituals because they focus on improving self and improving community.

I also find it very interesting that the time of year a baby is born in does seem to have some influence on their personality, whether that is nature, or nurture. I've even had conversations about this with scientists, including a biologist, who admit there is something to it. (It was the biologist who brought it up.) I'm mildly interested in how Astrology shapes MBTI. As in, how each sign changes the person within the MBTI type. How is an INFJ Scorpio different from an INFJ Leo?

I'm Aquarius, Aquarius rising, Pisces moon. I won't deny that my personality fits the descriptions.
Though, TBH, there are some traits I don't relate to at all. I'm January Aquarius, and I've noticed that February Aquarians have the traits I don't relate to.
 
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Though, TBH, there are some traits I don't relate to at all. I'm January Aquarius, and I've noticed that February Aquarians have the traits I don't relate to.

Indeed because there are what's called decanates within each sign where the first 10 degrees are rather different from the next 10 which also have a somewhat different flavor from the last - I'm a 3rd decan Capricorn and while the basic descriptions fit they do not do so overwhelmingly as they are written for the first decan - however that's where studying the whole chart comes in and that's where you make a great point above. Having the analysis done properly is paramount and when done that way it reveals patterns and influences but not necessarily dramatic or specific events taking place most of the time (with a few exceptions.) However those who popularize astrology are also frequently those who would like to get something out of it (in the 'fame and fortune' realm) hence the dramatic and wildly inaccurate predictions tossed about - in those cases it's not about providing useful advice but about making enough noise to get people's attention so one can sell them on a product. Personally I really dislike that misuse of the discipline but unfortunately that is what we run into with "famous practitioners" most often. They do everyone a great disservice with one of the effects described right in your post.
 
Indeed because there are what's called decanates within each sign where the first 10 degrees are rather different from the next 10 which also have a somewhat different flavor from the last - I'm a 3rd decan Capricorn and while the basic descriptions fit they do not do so overwhelmingly as they are written for the first decan - however that's where studying the whole chart comes in and that's where you make a great point above. Having the analysis done properly is paramount and when done that way it reveals patterns and influences but not necessarily dramatic or specific events taking place most of the time (with a few exceptions.) However those who popularize astrology are also frequently those who would like to get something out of it (in the 'fame and fortune' realm) hence the dramatic and wildly inaccurate predictions tossed about - in those cases it's not about providing useful advice but about making enough noise to get people's attention so one can sell them on a product. Personally I really dislike that misuse of the discipline but unfortunately that is what we run into with "famous practitioners" most often. They do everyone a great disservice with one of the effects described right in your post.

Thank you for your reply. I'm kind of relieved. I'm actually psyched that you explained about 10 degrees difference and being a 3rd decan Capricorn. It is the first time anyone into astrology has verified my idea that February Aquarians are different than January ones. I have a thing for Sagittarius, and I noticed November Sagittarians are different from December ones, too.

Also, thank you for explaining that celebrity astrologers misuse the medium.

Unrelated, but kind of related: Every single one of my bosses has been a Leo or Virgo. Excluding one corporation, I've always worked for small businesses.

I had my natal chart done, which was interesting (and how I know I'm pisces moon, etc.) It was a trade-off with a friend who was into astrology, but skeptical about MBTI. Before I had it done I was debating my possible rising sign with a friend who was suggesting I was this or that, and and how the rising sign is more important than the sun sign. I told him, "That can't be true, because I don't relate to any of the signs except Aquarius." :joycat: Well, there ya go!

Once an astrologer offered to do a reading for me in order to get to know me and find out if we were compatible. I was at work, so I couldn't run away. When he asked my rising sign I said, "Gemini". I didn't want him to know anything about me beyond my sun sign, and I was messing with him. (I wanted him to go away.) He went on and on about how he knew I had Gemini figured prominently in my chart and why. I don't. (My grandmother was a Gemini. I wanted to see if he would say the same bad things I've heard about Geminis from others. He did say those things. It got rid of him, too.)

Another time I was at work (same job) and an incredibly smart scientist (not the previously mentioned biologist) was chatting with me and told me he had his chart done in two systems. I think the other was Indian. He said the results were the same, to the T. He said the systems are very different an the results should not have been the same. He was a true believer and said the results of his readings were life-changing.
 
And to continue the above post since had to run out for work - astrology is actually pretty ill-suited for making predictions as they are commonly understood - specific events (getting fired or winning the lottery, although my Sx-dom friends ask for advice expecting just those kinds of predictions and occasionally accusing me of "saying something without really saying anything" otherwise :) ) happening at specific times.

Sometimes such events can be inferred by the nature of the transit in progress (for example since the above Uranus square Sun causes changes to one's personality it can be intuitively assumed one will change jobs and their location or domestic environment during that time to better fit the 'updated' personality - however these are all theoretical potentials and not concrete possibilities) and at other times the changes can happen on an inner level and only express outwardly in a very subtle manner. That subtle description of what is happening can still be of enormous benefit to the person looking to gain a better understanding of the quality of time but much less so for making predictions which are again laden with expectations and more often than not simply raise one's anxiety without much benefit.

On the other hand sometimes it is prudent to consider the likely manifestation of a transit and make preparations accordingly. For example I had good reason to expect that would be terminated from my job on the first pass of the above Uranus transit and sure enough that is what happened, even though besides astrological indications there was no rational reason to expect that outcome. Knowing about it put me at ease, relatively, about the whole thing and I was not surprised to get my job back on the day of the second pass of the same transit. And so on - had I not known about this it might have been tempting to blame the events on "life's unfairness" and become bitter and mistrustful about it but trusting the transit would play itself out more or less as expected with effects and timing helped tremendously.

For a long time, I read monthly horoscopes a month late, just to see if anything came true in them. Aside from vague predictions that could be about anything, no, they were not accurate.

There are 10 planets (plus Chiron) in the regular horoscope analysis which only react when an aspecting planet comes to within a degree of forming an angular relationship to them. The sun (featured in those newspaper/magazine horoscopes) is only one of the 11 and ignoring over 90% of the chart while also ignoring the sun's precise degree will not make for a horoscope that's in any way accurate except by pure luck.
 
@Asa,

those are some interesting stories -

I had my natal chart done, which was interesting (and how I know I'm pisces moon, etc.) It was a trade-off with a friend who was into astrology, but skeptical about MBTI. Before I had it done I was debating my possible rising sign with a friend who was suggesting I was this or that, and and how the rising sign is more important than the sun sign. I told him, "That can't be true, because I don't relate to any of the signs except Aquarius." :joycat: Well, there ya go!

Once an astrologer offered to do a reading for me in order to get to know me and find out if we were compatible. I was at work, so I couldn't run away. When he asked my rising sign I said, "Gemini". I didn't want him to know anything about me beyond my sun sign, and I was messing with him. (I wanted him to go away.) He went on and on about how he knew I had Gemini figured prominently in my chart and why. I don't. (My grandmother was a Gemini. I wanted to see if he would say the same bad things I've heard about Geminis from others. He did say those things. It got rid of him, too.)

Another time I was at work (same job) and an incredibly smart scientist (not the previously mentioned biologist) was chatting with me and told me he had his chart done in two systems. I think the other was Indian. He said the results were the same, to the T. He said the systems are very different an the results should not have been the same. He was a true believer and said the results of his readings were life-changing.

in particular while I don't consider myself a professional in the field (it is a hobby albeit an important one) that second astrologer sounds terrible - however those exist as well and some who are even worse than this. Any practitioner making blanket statements about any signs just being "all good" or "all bad" is one to avoid. At best they are projecting their personal experiences onto said signs and will not be objective about any readings they give for those signs. As for the last person I have a little experience with Vedic astrology and the readings usually are not that similar even if they might apply still - this has some implications on astrology, in particular which one is "right" but for now I'm sticking with Western since it has proven itself reliable over close to a couple of decades of use.

I would say to the first part, a person will likely relate to their sun sign while everyone they run across (who doesn't know them well) will relate much more to said person's ascendant. Except when the two coincidence in which case "what you see is what you get" but that is rather rare.
 
Today we will look at some mundane astrology with a few topics covering questions which have been asked elsewhere on the forum as I feel it’s worth including the astrological perspective with answering some of them. In particular we’ll take a look at a specific transit with its effect on three different nations.

Example 1 - The Soviet Union and its collapse


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The USSR’s collapse has been variously described as having occurred for economic reasons (the union could not keep up with economic and technological development as it was happening in the West) or dissatisfaction of member nations over the central government’s actions and policies. There is some truth to both however it is interesting to first look at what this chart has to say about the national consciousness it describes. From the linked article

For a government set up by a workers revolution it is very appropriate that the chart has the Moon and Ascendant conjunct in Virgo (the sign of the workers ).

The chart has a T Square that sets the tone very well. It is based on an opposition between the radically socialist Uranus in Aquarius and the controlling, repressive and authoritarian Saturn in Leo. What better way to describe the dictatorship of the proletariat. The tensions endemic between these two opposite planets focused by T Square onto an apex Sun in Scorpio. Whenever the Sun is at the apex of a T Square it signifies an extremely dominant and strong personality that has single minded resolve to pursue its own direction very strongly. Scorpio is one of the 4 Fixed signs and they all have tremendous stubbornness and determination and the middle ( around 15 degrees ) of the Fixed signs are supposed to be the most entrenched. Everything that has ever been said about the Soviet Empire can comfortably be contained in the symbolism of this aspect pattern.

Besides the rather interesting interpretation there are a couple of takeaways here – the national chart sun is under intense pressure from the T-square configuration to on the one hand achieve self-sufficiency (the 11th house Saturn square to the sun) without having to cooperate too much with others and to radically do things differently in ways which have never been attempted before (Uranus square to the sun) – this configuration naturally creates a kind of conflict which is difficult to resolve and weakens the sun’s stability from the outset, even though the sun is placed in fixed Scorpio. The 11th house Saturn placement and the Sun-Saturn square will make an appearance in the other charts we’ll look at later.

Enter Pluto, the planet which among things tends to break down “structures and situations which would not have held up well anyway” especially when forming a hard aspect (conjunct, opposition, or square) to another planet. In 1989 Pluto reached 16 Scorpio and formed a conjunction to the Soviet sun causing a complete dismantling of everything it stood for – the dismantling of the actual infrastructure occurred in the prior months with Pluto forming a square to the USSR’s Saturn first and was followed by perhaps the final blow with Pluto squaring Soviet Uranus in the early months of 1990.

The aspect timing and symbolism are both interesting here since they can give us clues about more recent events happening elsewhere and featuring similar transits.


Example 2 – The UK



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Like the USSR the UK also has an 11th house Saturn and this led Liz Greene to famously suggest the kingdom would leave the European Union back in the 1970s. This Saturn placement again suggests a kind of suspicion of 11th house constructs (organizations, cooperatives, this forum) with the takeaway that they would not be viewed as friendly or beneficial. The attitude is reinforced by the Capricorn sun placed at the nadir which would seek self-competence coming from within first and would find it very easy to side with Saturn being placed in its sign. The nadir (IC) being the chart's foundation can be thought to represent traditions and customs which although not publicized are of great importance to the nation and with that point falling in one of the two signs of tradition (Capricorn) the importance of these traditions is further highlighted and further establishes Saturn's position.

However actual events reflecting this placement have only happened recently (at least outwardly – though if anyone from the UK would like to comment you are welcome to do so) and if we go back to the last few years we will see Pluto at work yet again.

Pluto passed through 10 Capricorn during 2012-2013 so this time would have generated the internal changes which are being reflected in outer events in the present, although the changes no doubt became more visible in 2016-2018 when Pluto opposed the UK’s Moon in 19 Cancer (it spent much of last year in 19 Capricorn.) Obviously the UK didn’t have the same experience from the Pluto-Sun conjunction that the USSR did but this transit still reflects deep changes within the national structure of some sort. The subsequent Pluto-Moon opposition then reflected an embodiment of those changes which can actually be seen and experienced directly. And since Pluto is done with 19 Capricorn we can surmise the extent of the drastic changes will have concluded with the actual consequences starting to become visible now.

For those interested further discussion of the effects on the UK is available here.


Example 3 – USA


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For the USA we are using the Sibley chart which gives the USA its sun in 13 Cancer (conjunct Sirius!) along with a wide conjunction to Jupiter which itself is conjunct Venus in the 7th house – a very warm arrangement which projects both hope and hospitality, yet the national consciousness also strongly features a desire for community. (Indeed the major area of disagreement with the above is the 10th house Saturn square sun – there is again the strong internal desire for self-sufficiency but this time with our government symbolizing an extreme sensitivity to the world’s criticisms – especially with the 10th-7th house alignment of these planets.)

Crucially the sun’s dispositor (the moon) only makes trine aspects and those are to 7th house planets so this chart also shows a strong foundation with respect to the founding principles remaining strong and relevant through the years.

As with the two previous examples the USA also experienced a Pluto-Sun transit recently, but this time as part of an astro-Kondratiev cycle square in 2015-2016. 2015 opened with Pluto position in 13 Capricorn applying to exactly square Uranus which was approaching 13 Aries.

The Uranus-Pluto square itself is a revolutionary aspect [1][2][3][4] being a disharmonious friction aspect between the two planets known for extremist tendencies. Uranus with the boost from Pluto may lead to extremely radical ideology, Pluto with the dispassionate slant of Uranus may lead to extreme ruthlessness – in both cases the result may be described as extraordinary and outside the confines of what would be considered normal. In more mundane terms this can be likened to a fighting match between the two, Uranus desperately wanting to overthrow Pluto while Pluto desperately wants to transform Uranus’ ideology.

With this dynamic in mind Pluto opposed the USA sun starting in 2015 while Uranus created a square aspect to it – while Pluto conjunct Sun is transformation from within (like an imploding building coming down in a controlled demolition) Pluto opposition Sun suggests a transformation forced from without – with the Uranus square Sun square providing the extra jolt (or shock) to bring the effects of the opposition into public consciousness. It can perhaps be argued that the shock came soon after once the transit’s archetypal charge was released by 2015 and converted into manifestation by the end of the following year.

Like the example with the USSR the USA also experienced a dismantling of (governmental and societal) structures with Pluto’s transit square USA Saturn in the later months of 2015 with the gaps becoming evident now in more recent times.

Saturn and Pluto are not done here either as they are set to form their infamous conjunction[1][2] aspect as soon as 2020 arrives (opposite USA Mercury which rules the USA’s descendant, or relations with others) which is then followed by Saturn conjunct USA Pluto in mid-2020 and the nation’s first Pluto return in 2022.

As we can see the Pluto-Sun transits have coincided with extraordinary changes in the history of all three examples including a complete dissolution in one case. Regardless of each nation’s approach there is a strong sense that things cannot go back to the way there were before the transit once it’s over.
 
Example 2 – The UK



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Like the USSR the UK also has an 11th house Saturn and this led Liz Greene to famously suggest the kingdom would leave the European Union back in the 1970s. This Saturn placement again suggests a kind of suspicion of 11th house constructs (organizations, cooperatives, this forum) with the takeaway that they would not be viewed as friendly or beneficial. The attitude is reinforced by the Capricorn sun placed at the nadir which would seek self-competence coming from within first and would find it very easy to side with Saturn being placed in its sign. The nadir (IC) being the chart's foundation can be thought to represent traditions and customs which although not publicized are of great importance to the nation and with that point falling in one of the two signs of tradition (Capricorn) the importance of these traditions is further highlighted and further establishes Saturn's position.

However actual events reflecting this placement have only happened recently (at least outwardly – though if anyone from the UK would like to comment you are welcome to do so) and if we go back to the last few years we will see Pluto at work yet again.

Pluto passed through 10 Capricorn during 2012-2013 so this time would have generated the internal changes which are being reflected in outer events in the present, although the changes no doubt became more visible in 2016-2018 when Pluto opposed the UK’s Moon in 19 Cancer (it spent much of last year in 19 Capricorn.) Obviously the UK didn’t have the same experience from the Pluto-Sun conjunction that the USSR did but this transit still reflects deep changes within the national structure of some sort. The subsequent Pluto-Moon opposition then reflected an embodiment of those changes which can actually be seen and experienced directly. And since Pluto is done with 19 Capricorn we can surmise the extent of the drastic changes will have concluded with the actual consequences starting to become visible now.

For those interested further discussion of the effects on the UK is available here.

Why 1801 and not 1707 or 1921? Seems arbitrary.
 
One site which sort of mentions why this date is used - https://planetaaleph.com/en/united-kingdoms-birth-chart-in-astrology.html
This question is definitely open to debate since different times could be used to describe the "start" of something depending on one's perspective - generally astrologers will use the still currently valid founding time for an entity so long as that entity has not dissolved. From there it's down to a known prominent moment of when the entity publicly "came to life", whether through an announcement or a document being signed. (The announcement method can also be used to look at the fate of companies for example with the "birth time" being the date and time the company went public.)
 
One site which sort of mentions why this date is used - https://planetaaleph.com/en/united-kingdoms-birth-chart-in-astrology.html
This question is definitely open to debate since different times could be used to describe the "start" of something depending on one's perspective - generally astrologers will use the still currently valid founding time for an entity so long as that entity has not dissolved. From there it's down to a known prominent moment of when the entity publicly "came to life", whether through an announcement or a document being signed. (The announcement method can also be used to look at the fate of companies for example with the "birth time" being the date and time the company went public.)
That's a funny choice then, because that would mean that this chart applies equally to the Republic of Ireland... or would the RoI get a start at 1921, too?
 
This one had me thinking a bit - generally you would use the appropriate(*) time for the foundation of the larger entity to describe what happens to it but significant dates in the history of member states can also be used to show what happens to them specifically - but the date for the larger entity takes precedence. (Something sort of analogous is that this can be done for any US state to see what is happening to that state but anything major happening to the USA chart will affect that state even if not reflected in its own chart.) I don't know if this answers the question or just ends up looking more nonsensical :)

* - I picked the UK date used because it's used by people I know would choose wisely or use a relevant date rather than knowing what would be the most relevant date myself. This is not my preferred way of doing things but it was allowed this time since I'm no history buff and decided to trust their judgment. If there is an argument for using a different date I'm definitely interested in it.
 
I have looked into some of it, for a few hours, it's not for me. I think it depends on location and preference, whether you can find it appealing or not. I haven't found merit in it for myself, but a lot of people have, so idk :grin:


If you have something to post on this, feel free to do so, still (but better mark it, wouldn't want to spark confusion :sweatsmile:)
 
Just asking..

Have studied it about 7 years now as a hobby / life-path thing. I find it appealing since it goes hand in hand with hindu symbolism and advaita vedanta philosophy. In Jyotish every sign is broken down into naksatras, constellations and furthermore into 4 different padas in total of 108. A padas are parts of that particular constellation, ruled by different planets. Also every naksatra is ruled by a deity and has an own unique symbol. After studying eastern mythology, these archetypes reveal great deal of information about the conciousness of the native. They also help with more precise predictions as there are tens of different kinds of divisional charts, each dedicated for one specific purpose like wealth, parents, children, family, health, spouse, career and so on.
 
Just asking..

Have studied it about 7 years now as a hobby / life-path thing. I find it appealing since it goes hand in hand with hindu symbolism and advaita vedanta philosophy. In Jyotish every sign is broken down into naksatras, constellations and furthermore into 4 different padas, parts of that particular constellation. Also every naksatra is ruled by a deity and has an own unique symbol. After studying eastern mythology, these archetypes reveal great deal of information about the conciousness of the native. They also help with more precise predictions as there are tens of different kinds of divisional charts, each dedicated for one specific purpose like wealth, parents, children, family, health, spouse, career and so on.
I'm taking from this that it is similar, but a lot less holistic?

I'm more into Indo-European symbology - a "back to the roots" thing - so I guess this is where the interpretations diverge.

I believe it is most confusing that they use in part the same epistemology but derive it differently, so it would actually have different meanings as a consequence. Why there is this overlap of terminology is beyond me, as that was the biggest turn off from it when they said I was a different Rising Sign, and that the houses were arranged differently, which produces different meanings altogether, no matter what pattern you follow.
See where I'm coming from?
 
That is because of the precision of the equinoxes. The Western tropical system does not take this in consideration and is based on the postition of the vernal equinox. Sidereal shows where the planets actually are at the given moment and because of the axial precission the positions of the zodiacs shift 1 degree every 71,6 years. Since the early Western astrology was introduced, the zodiacs have shifted some 23 degrees.

That is why your rising sing is different according to the Jyotish calculation. :)
 
Jyotish is used as a part of Ayurveda to determine the doshas of the native. This helps to discover the cause of ailment and also to treat it more precisely. Just by looking at a chart one can see what kinds of food and yogic exercises the native ought to avoid and which to favor.
 
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