Discussion of the RELEVANT Presidential candidates for 2016

Anywhere But Here said:
Yes he has. The companies, in which he was the majority shareholder of at the time, filed for business bankruptcies. They may not have been personal filings but he was most certainly aware and a part of the decision.

Anyhow, it's clear that people have been giving him too much credit.

I was waiting for him to roll out something, anything of value during the republican debate, and he fell flat. All of that hype for nothing. Not that I would have voted for him either way, but still. It would have been nice to hear about something other than how great he is, how he will make this country great again, or about how he's winning in all the polls.

It's getting old.

Oh, and if he becomes president, I'm moving to another country.
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He used laws that the average Joe doesn’t have access to to shield himself from personal destruction (even though it cost thousands of people their jobs each of the four times bankruptcy was filed.).
He hid behind his businesses and let them and everyone they employed take the fall.
He even says so himself -
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Yeah, maybe smart…but a dick move.
It just shows he is more of the same type of profits over people mentality that I think people are getting tired of.
It’s not so much that he filed bankruptcy so many times…I mean, there are a lot of rich fucks that have filed bankruptcy…it’s the fact that our laws are so stupid and skewed to favor the rich that really should piss people off.
A normal person without the ability to file “Corporate bankruptcy” and hide behind that veil of protection would end up with jack…they certainly wouldn’t remain rich.
And you can only file personal bankruptcy once every 8 years I think it is? Good luck getting a second one approved.
I don’t give a flying fuck that you use the bankruptcy to “restructure” the fact of the matter is you screwed up the finances.
Anyhow, not who I want running shit around here.

Donald Trump Bankruptcy:
Personal vs. Corporate Bankruptcy

Bankruptcy is a tool that allows debtors relief from their debt when they cannot pay it back.
Through bankruptcy, a debtor can get a "financial fresh start."

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However, there are six different types of bankruptcy under the Bankruptcy Code (the federal laws of U.S. bankruptcy): Chapters 7, 9, 11, 12, 13, and 15.
These chapters mainly differ in terms of who the debtor is.

For example, farmers and fisherman can file for debt relief under Chapter 12 bankruptcy. Municipalities can file for Chapter 9 bankruptcy.
When it comes to the issue of Donald Trump's bankruptcy, we are only concerned with Chapters 7 and 11.

That's because a Chapter 7 filing is indicative of poor financial management skills on behalf of the debtor — a red flag for voters evaluating a presidential candidate.
But a Chapter 11 filing doesn't necessarily indicate poor management.

In fact, it can be seen as a tool that improves a company's value for investors.
Here's the difference:


  • Chapter 7 bankruptcy: Allows an individual to be freed of most debt in exchange for a ruined lined of credit for 10 years.
  • Chapter 11 bankruptcy: Allows a corporation to stay in business while it restructures its business and attempts to reduce its debt.

When Trump tweeted, "I never went bankrupt," he was being truthful.
The real estate magnate has kept good order of his personal finances.

You see, all four of Donald Trump's bankruptcies were the Chapter 11 type.
Each resulted from over-leveraged casino and hotel properties in Atlantic City.

"I've cut debt — by the way, this isn't me personally, it's a company," Trump clarified toForbes in April 2011. "Basically I've used the laws of the country to my advantage and to other people's advantage just as Leon Black has, Carl Icahn, Henry Kravis has, just as many, many others on top of the business world have."

Trump emphasized that many "great entrepreneurs" have used bankruptcy to restructure debt, free up capital, and improve their businesses.
Reed Smith partner Michael Venditto, who has represented clients in high-profile Chapter 11 cases (including bankrupt airline TWA), added in the same article that "to the ordinary person in the street, [four corporate bankruptcies] may seem surprising, but certainly not to me.

Chapter 11 is how you reshape and restructure a company that has problems.
It doesn't indicate anything nefarious or even bad management."

(I disagree)

 
Eventhorizon said:
On to the rest of your comment. I agree that he fell flat. Its funny but I am surprised you would have considered him in the first place. He clearly has some issue with women.
If he is nominated I will vote for him only because again, its the lesser of evils. Im not moving to another country. Im staying here and Americans are going to take it back and make sure that the Constitution is upheld and abided by. If its a long road so be it but it is going to happen.
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No, no...I never considered him. I like how blunt he is and how he will never apologize for hurting anyones feelings, but I do not believe that he is presidential material. If he learned how to package that bluntness correctly and put out a few plans to back up those ideas of his, then he would have a better chance of winning. But that won't happen. The only thing he has proven so far is that he is all talk and all ego. It's turning into a side show at this point and I'm embarrassed that so many Americans are seriously considering voting for him.

But, to each their own. I'm still waiting for the right candidate to woe me in the right direction.
 
Anywhere But Here said:
No, no...I never considered him. I like how blunt he is and how he will never apologize for hurting anyones feelings, but I do not believe that he is presidential material. If he learned how to package that bluntness correctly and put out a few plans to back up those ideas of his, then he would have a better chance of winning. But that won't happen. The only thing he has proven so far is that he is all talk and all ego. It's turning into a side show at this point and I'm embarrassed that so many Americans are seriously considering voting for him.

But, to each their own. I'm still waiting for the right candidate to woe me in the right direction.
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No one else stands out to you at this point?
 
This was not taken from any other website. You can google and it will come back to this site if anything.

Trump Personality and background-

i will tell you what I think about trump. The problem with trump is that he is a new yorker and wears his emotions on his sleeves. He is big on reputation and always needs to look the part. He has been in the game for a long time and he knows the politics. The problem is, he is not used to dealing with the media on this level in terms of him having direct supporters and the media having an impact. Business and the Apprentice, he doesn't need direct supporters as much as he needs direct votes.

Trump follows the news to the T and knows exactly who is saying what about him and when. He is not the intellectual type and couldn't be. Intellectual types rarely make Trump types. He is so swole that very few people can actually sit him down and channel his emotions. He is a loose cannon. HOWEVER, he is a loose cannon because his energy has never been and or needed to be channeled. In his line of business, he was dealing with all types of jerks all day- especially in NY. You have to be a master and cut them off at the knees before they get you. He calls the shots and wins. He builds and wins. He has tv shows and wins. This is his world and it directly impacts his social dynamics. People have to be thick skinned when dealing with trump. He just doesn't have the adviser with the combined ballz, sharpness, and sense of social dynamics to sit him down and tell him: "bro, you are effing up, here is what you need to do". If he did so, he would not have called out Rubio during the consertive rally cause he would have known that Rubio was holding a speech there and people are feeling him. He tried to get them on his side but it didn't work. Nonetheless, he played if off and said "they were cheering for him instead of booing". These things don't phase him. Even after the 3 HOUR debate, he was still on it and kept his position in that he was a winner. He is relentless and without tire. Most people would have been drained but he kept his composure.

[video=youtube;L3W5mDv9sW0]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L3W5mDv9sW0[/video]

Trump is on the move and doesn't hide it. He is at his places of business inspecting and telling the world all while running from speech to speech. He is on twitter proclaiming his successes and everyone following. He announces his family affairs such as his daughter's pregnancy.

Trump and his ability to captivate an audience-

If you notice his speeches, he is very aware. He is like a dj (so am I). He actually tells a story. He has the great ability to go off on a tangent but come back and always goes back to his topic. He relates to the people on a deeper level and they see it. The polls aren't' there simply because its rigged. There is a reason for it despite many people thinking it's rigged. He keeps rehashing the same issues because that is what sticks- just like radio, a dj has to play the same song over and over until you start singing it in your head and you are like "wtf"??.. Same thing but he does it subconsciously without knowing- its just natural to him. He also is aware of the audience and hears the various individual call outs- and he repeats them to the audience. He acknowledges them and gives them praise in front of everyone. He isn't stuck in his own world. He sees things on a level that many don't because he deals with business leaders on various levels and they talk to him. This isn't the case for many of the current running candidates or past presidents. He is one of a kind.


Trump and the media-

Trump is a really good guy but he is in a position where he has to be on the defensive all the time. This why you often hear the interview refer to him or her, the interviewer, not playing "gotcha game" That is said for a reason. It's not so much about attacking but more so that Trump actually reads through a lot of the BS. Trump is very patient and never over reacts during interviews. He doesn't respond as Rand does sometimes when being interviewed. Trump has a lot of respect and presents himself as such. The only time he gets out of hand is when he is on twitter. Just like I said he doesn't have anyone to channel his energy, is the same way there and there are very few that can sit and have a really good interview with him on mainstream media. However, when he sits with others in low key media settings, he is more patient, articulate, and is very believable. The media is not like it was before. There is more chatter, more views, more everything to include dishonesty.

If you listen to this interview, he was saying the same things in 2011 as he is today but very calm. He was able to address many of the issues without feeling as if he is on main stage and the "i got you moments".

[video=youtube;jAVWpeYiRa4]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jAVWpeYiRa4[/video]
 
I am alarmed at Ben Carson wanting persons to subjugate their religious convictions to the state. I think that is perhaps the most anti American thing that could be said.
 
the said:
I am alarmed at Ben Carson wanting persons to subjugate their religious convictions to the state. I think that is perhaps the most anti American thing that could be said.
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Can you post exactly what he said? He has had a problem with people saying he said things he never did. During the CNN debates he called the questioners out on it several times making them look like fools...which they just happen to be anyway.
But seriously, what was his exact quote that you have an issue with?
 
Trump said some interesting things during 60 Minutes last night. I dont think he can accomplish half of what he said but... I think he understands from Obamas campaign you can promise whatever you like and when you dont deliver just blame everyone else for why you couldn't.
 
Basically this: http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/sep/27/ben-carson-muslim-president-subjugate-beliefs

The Republican presidential candidate Ben Carson on Sunday marked his surge to within one percentage point of the frontrunner Donald Trump with a return to his controversial comments about whether a Muslim could become US president.
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[h=1]For a teen aspiring to be president, being Muslim is a hurdle in post-9/11 America[/h]


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The retired neurosurgeon told ABC any Muslim would have to “subjugate” some aspects of his or her faith, including Sharia law, before being elected to the White House.
Some elements of Islam, he said, were “against the rights of women, against the rights of gays”. He also said Islam “subjugates other religions, and [advocates] a host of things that are not compatible with our constitution”.
If a Muslim candidate did not renounce such aspects of his or her faith, Carson said, “Why in fact would you take that chance?”
 
Eventhorizon said:
Can you post exactly what he said? He has had a problem with people saying he said things he never did. During the CNN debates he called the questioners out on it several times making them look like fools...which they just happen to be anyway.
But seriously, what was his exact quote that you have an issue with?
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Do you have the link where he makes them look like fools?
 
Eventhorizon said:
Can you post exactly what he said? He has had a problem with people saying he said things he never did. During the CNN debates he called the questioners out on it several times making them look like fools...which they just happen to be anyway.
But seriously, what was his exact quote that you have an issue with?
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Do you have the link where he makes them look like fools?
 
Anywhere But Here said:
Yes he has. The companies, in which he was the majority shareholder of at the time, filed for business bankruptcies. They may not have been personal filings but he was most certainly aware and a part of the decision.

Anyhow, it's clear that people have been giving him too much credit.

I was waiting for him to roll out something, anything of value during the republican debate, and he fell flat. All of that hype for nothing. Not that I would have voted for him either way, but still. It would have been nice to hear about something other than how great he is, how he will make this country great again, or about how he's winning in all the polls.

It's getting old.

Oh, and if he becomes president, I'm moving to another country.
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Eventhorizon said:
Apparently he is.
I can tell you this much even though I suspect you will not agree with it. I believe many people's perspective is after the last 7 years we cant possibly do any worse
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It could always get worse, as scary as that is.
 
the said:
Do you have the link where he makes them look like fools?
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No. I watched the second Republican debate live. So if you search on that you might find it on youtube or something.
 
Eventhorizon said:
No. I watched the second Republican debate live. So if you search on that you might find it on youtube or something.
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Im sensing that you've completely checked out of this convo.
 
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