Do you experiment with drugs?

Sadly it seems that people like to judge others behavior instead of regulating their own. They will find what they do not like in others and persecute them for it. I like smokers. They take a lot of shit. You know the years that people got the most lung cancer they served in the military and were exposed to all kinds of chemicals through WW2. Like radiation for one thing. Asbestos is another one. There were a lot of lung cancer causing items around for quite some time. These things did have an effect. Not just the smoking.

I'm not a fan of telling others how to live. Do as you please. It's your time use it how you wish. I've experimented. But not for recreational reasons. For spiritual ones. Some folks do not belong in the circle. And that's ok. I don't get down on people for doing what they want and I expect the same.
 
I used to be a heavy porn addict, but nowadays I’ve mostly moved on. I don’t like dependency on anything.

Caffeine is my next target for addiction therapy. Been drinking just decaf these days.

I felt pressured in my earlier years to drink alcohol and smoke at parties, but I kept my cool and stayed straight edge, thank God.

Nowadays, I see drugs akin to demonic forces compelling the weak-willed, rather than just mere physical hazards present in the world.
 
Aquila Aeternus said:
I used to be a heavy porn addict, but nowadays I’ve mostly moved on. I don’t like dependency on anything.

Caffeine is my next target for addiction therapy. Been drinking just decaf these days.

I felt pressured in my earlier years to drink alcohol and smoke at parties, but I kept my cool and stayed straight edge, thank God.

Nowadays, I see drugs akin to demonic forces compelling the weak-willed, rather than just mere physical hazards present in the world.
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I'd say the first addiction is much more darkly driven than the rest.
 
Misty said:
I'd say the first addiction is much more darkly driven than the rest.
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For sure.

I like to use Slaneesh (god/goddess of excess) from Warhammer as an analogy for pornography (or addiction in general). That shit can get super vile and disturbing with time.
 
Aquila Aeternus said:
For sure.

I like to use Slaneesh (god/goddess of excess) from Warhammer as an analogy for pornography (or addiction in general). That shit can get super vile and disturbing with time.
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Yeah, I think it's actually born from emotional loneliness tbh. And then it starts getting darker and darker without the person realizing it. It's also the sin that causes the most guilt and shame, even beyond theft or lying because sexual sin is the only sin which is literally tied to the flesh. It distorts grossly the way women are perceived, as well. They slowly become objects with no face and that is when it gets really dangerous.

I read and saw interviews of men in prison who all spoke of how they first were addicted to porn, and then in the right circumstance with the wrong person you get a rapist in the making. Even Ted Bundy said it was one of the main things that made him as he was.
 
Misty said:
Yeah, I think it's actually born from emotional loneliness tbh. And then it starts getting darker and darker without the person realizing it. It's also the sin that causes the most guilt and shame, even beyond theft or lying because sexual sin is the only sin which is literally tied to the flesh. It distorts grossly the way women are perceived, as well. They slowly become objects with no face and that is when it gets really dangerous.

I read and saw interviews of men in prison who all spoke of how they first were addicted to porn, and then in the right circumstance with the wrong person you get a rapist in the making. Even Ted Bundy said it was one of the main things that made him as he was.
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I also want to say I think it depends on what to type of porn because some types aren't as easily addictive. Internet porn offers with one click you can skip to the next person, you could "be" with hundreds of different people in minutes and that's very stimulating for the brain and causes dissatisfaction with just one partner when real sex comes along. Nothing can really measure up to an internet buffet of porn but then we get used to the stimulation and have to move on to darker things. In addition it primes the brain to get used to intimacy without physical touch which is sad.

I would argue that it's a totally different thing to be addicted to erotic stories or even magazine porn. It's not as stimulating and I think it's easier for the brain to unhook from it. It's those videos combined with the thousands of choices at your fingertips in an instant that's the problem I think. Even back before the internet you would have to rent or buy porn films and that gave to some extent a limit as to how much you could watch at once. Not the case these days.
 
Misty said:
It's also the sin that causes the most guilt and shame, even beyond theft or lying because sexual sin is the only sin which is literally tied to the flesh.
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from Galations 5:16-25 KJV

This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.

17For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.

18But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.

19Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,

20Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,

21Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.

22But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,

23Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.

24And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.

25If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.
 
just me said:
from Galations 5:16-25 KJV

This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.

17For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.

18But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.

19Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,

20Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,

21Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.

22But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,

23Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.

24And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.

25If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.
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That's not what I meant. Yes all temptations are from the enemy, none from God. But sexual sin is literally felt in the physical flesh. It lingers. Not the same shame tied to cheating on a test or telling a lie as there is to sexual sin. That's my point.
 
I think everyone should have transcendent experiences -- it seems our brains are built for them and it's almost universally true that when people have them, they are better off for it. Whether drugs are the best facilitator is a totally different matter, but I will say American society is replete with citizens who could benefit greatly from a low-to-mid level psilocybin (shroom) experience in nature.
 
Adultery, fornication....sins of the flesh. Lust, no?

Just for the record. I did know what you meant.
 
Misty said:
Yeah, I think it's actually born from emotional loneliness tbh. And then it starts getting darker and darker without the person realizing it. It's also the sin that causes the most guilt and shame, even beyond theft or lying because sexual sin is the only sin which is literally tied to the flesh. It distorts grossly the way women are perceived, as well. They slowly become objects with no face and that is when it gets really dangerous.

I read and saw interviews of men in prison who all spoke of how they first were addicted to porn, and then in the right circumstance with the wrong person you get a rapist in the making. Even Ted Bundy said it was one of the main things that made him as he was.
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Woah, I just realised I was watching porn because I felt emotionally disconnected from my only mum... crazy.

And yeah, I’ve never felt greater shame than relapsing on pornography. Lying? Deceiving? Manipulating? Wrath? I’d rather do those than experience the shame of porn addiction.

A good NLP technique I came up with is visualising what I would be like in 10 years time if I watched porn everyday. Holy shit it’s disturbing and knowing Ted Bundy as an exemplar of that future makes it all the more motivating.
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I also want to say I think it depends on what to type of porn because some types aren't as easily addictive. Internet porn offers with one click you can skip to the next person, you could "be" with hundreds of different people in minutes and that's very stimulating for the brain and causes dissatisfaction with just one partner when real sex comes along. Nothing can really measure up to an internet buffet of porn but then we get used to the stimulation and have to move on to darker things. In addition it primes the brain to get used to intimacy without physical touch which is sad.

I would argue that it's a totally different thing to be addicted to erotic stories or even magazine porn. It's not as stimulating and I think it's easier for the brain to unhook from it. It's those videos combined with the thousands of choices at your fingertips in an instant that's the problem I think. Even back before the internet you would have to rent or buy porn films and that gave to some extent a limit as to how much you could watch at once. Not the case these days.
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It’s easy to make exceptions and turn to erotica than pornography, but that can quickly get you down a rabbit hole where you start convincing yourself that erotica’s fine, so porn must be fine.

Especially for people who’ve been watching visual pornography for long periods it can easily derail them back into it because the images become clearer.
 
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