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BlackKnightKisses
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Ha ha that is not right either I never used misguided. I said chose the path of least resistance. Which has totally different connotations. For one my comments where directed at the religious leaders not the masses and the path of least resistance points to the leadership being people pleases for the sake maintaining numbers and support.
Oh and I will get back with supporting material in fact the only person in this thread that has put forward supporting arguments has been myself most in opposition has been rather emotive which I find strange for those that claim evolution is a science when their passion treats it like religion.
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BlackKnightKisses
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Better still I'll give you a list of Creationist Scientist and you can go look at their work yourself.
Note: Individuals on this list must possess a doctorate in a science-related field.
- Dr Paul Ackerman, Psychologist
- Dr E. Theo Agard, Medical Physics
- Dr James Allan, Geneticist
- Dr Steve Austin, Geologist
- Dr S.E. Aw, Biochemist
- Dr Thomas Barnes, Physicist
- Dr Geoff Barnard, Immunologist
- Dr Don Batten, Plant physiologist, tropical fruit expert
- Dr Donald Baumann, Solid State Physics, Professor of Biology and Chemistry, Cedarville University
- Dr John Baumgardner, Electrical Engineering, Space Physicist, Geophysicist, expert in supercomputer modeling of plate tectonics
- Dr Jerry Bergman, Psychologist
- Dr Kimberly Berrine, Microbiology & Immunology
- Prof. Vladimir Betina, Microbiology, Biochemistry & Biology
- Dr Raymond G. Bohlin, Biologist
- Dr Andrew Bosanquet, Biology, Microbiology
- Edward A. Boudreaux, Theoretical Chemistry
- Dr David Boylan, Chemical Engineer
- Prof. Stuart Burgess, Engineering and Biomimetics, Professor of Design & Nature, Head of Department, Mechanical Engineering, University of Bristol (UK)
- Prof. Linn E. Carothers, Associate Professor of Statistics
- Dr Robert W. Carter, PhD Marine Biology
- Dr David Catchpoole, Plant Physiologist (read his testimony)
- Prof. Sung-Do Cha, Physics
- Dr Eugene F. Chaffin, Professor of Physics
- Dr Choong-Kuk Chang, Genetic Engineering
- Prof. Jeun-Sik Chang, Aeronautical Engineering
- Dr Xidong Chen, Solid State Physics, Assistant Professor of Physics, Cedarville University
- Dr Donald Chittick, Physical Chemist
- Prof. Chung-Il Cho, Biology Education
- Dr John M. Cimbala, Mechanical Engineering
- Dr Harold Coffin, Palaeontologist
- Dr Bob Compton, DVM
- Dr Ken Cumming, Biologist
- Dr Jack W. Cuozzo, Dentist
- Dr William M. Curtis III, Th.D., Th.M., M.S., Aeronautics & Nuclear Physics
- Dr Malcolm Cutchins, Aerospace Engineering
- Dr Lionel Dahmer, Analytical Chemist
- Dr Raymond V. Damadian, M.D., Pioneer of magnetic resonance imaging
- Dr Chris Darnbrough, Biochemist
- Dr Nancy M. Darrall, Botany
- Dr Bryan Dawson, Mathematics
- Dr Douglas Dean, Biological Chemistry
- Prof. Stephen W. Deckard, Assistant Professor of Education
- Dr David A. DeWitt, Biology, Biochemistry, Neuroscience
- Dr Don DeYoung, Astronomy, atmospheric physics, M.Div
- Dr Geoff Downes, Creationist Plant Physiologist
- Dr Ted Driggers, Operations research
- Robert H. Eckel, Medical Research
- Dr André Eggen, Geneticist
- Dr Leroy Eimers, Atmospheric Science, Professor of Physics and Mathematics, Cedarville University
- Prof. Dennis L. Englin, Professor of Geophysics
- Prof. Danny Faulkner, Astronomy
- Dr Dennis Flentge, Physical Chemistry, Professor of Chemistry and Chair of the Department of Science and Mathematics, Cedarville University
- Prof. Carl B. Fliermans, Professor of Biology
- Prof. Dwain L. Ford, Organic Chemistry
- Prof. Robert H. Franks, Associate Professor of Biology
- Dr Alan Galbraith, Watershed Science
- Dr Paul Giem, Medical Research
- Dr Maciej Giertych, Geneticist
- Dr Duane Gish, Biochemist
- Dr Werner Gitt, Information Scientist
- Dr Steven Gollmer, Atmospheric Science, Professor of Physics, Cedarville University
- Dr D.B. Gower, Biochemistry
- Dr Dianne Grocott, Psychiatrist
- Dr Stephen Grocott, Industrial Chemist
- Dr Donald Hamann, Food Scientist
- Dr Barry Harker, Philosopher
- Dr Charles W. Harrison, Applied Physicist, Electromagnetics
- Dr John Hartnett, Physicist and Cosmologist
- Dr Mark Harwood, Satellite Communications
- Dr Joe Havel, Botanist, Silviculturist, Ecophysiologist
- Dr George Hawke, Environmental Scientist
- Dr Margaret Helder, Science Editor, Botanist
- Dr Larry Helmick, Organic Chemistry, Professor of Chemistry, Cedarville University
- Dr Harold R. Henry, Engineer
- Dr Jonathan Henry, Astronomy
- Dr Joseph Henson, Entomologist
- Dr Robert A. Herrmann, Professor of Mathematics, US Naval Academy
- Dr Andrew Hodge, Head of the Cardiothoracic Surgical Service
- Dr Kelly Hollowell, Molecular and Cellular Pharmacologist
- Dr Ed Holroyd, III, Atmospheric Science
- Dr Bob Hosken, Biochemistry
- Dr George F. Howe, Botany
- Dr Neil Huber, Physical Anthropologist
- Dr Russell Humphreys, Physicist
- Dr James A. Huggins, Professor and Chair, Department of Biology
- Evan Jamieson, Hydrometallurgy
- George T. Javor, Biochemistry
- Dr Pierre Jerlström, Creationist Molecular Biologist
- Dr Arthur Jones, Biology
- Dr Jonathan W. Jones, Plastic Surgeon
- Dr Raymond Jones, Agricultural Scientist
- Dr Valery Karpounin, Mathematical Sciences, Logics, Formal Logics
- Dr Dean Kenyon, Biologist
- Prof. Gi-Tai Kim, Biology
- Prof. Harriet Kim, Biochemistry
- Prof. Jong-Bai Kim, Biochemistry
- Prof. Jung-Han Kim, Biochemistry
- Prof. Jung-Wook Kim, Environmental Science
- Prof. Kyoung-Rai Kim, Analytical Chemistry
- Prof. Kyoung-Tai Kim, Genetic Engineering
- Prof. Young-Gil Kim, Materials Science
- Prof. Young In Kim, Engineering
- Dr John W. Klotz, Biologist
- Dr Vladimir F. Kondalenko, Cytology/Cell Pathology
- Dr Felix Konotey-Ahulu, Physician, leading expert on sickle-cell anemia
- Dr Leonid Korochkin, M.D., Genetics, Molecular Biology, Neurobiology
- Dr John K.G. Kramer, Biochemistry
- Dr Johan Kruger, Zoology
- Dr Wolfgang Kuhn, biologist and lecturer
- Dr Heather Kuruvilla, Plant Physiology, Senior Professor of Biology, Cedarville University
- Prof. Jin-Hyouk Kwon, Physics
- Prof. Myung-Sang Kwon, Immunology
- Dr John Leslie, Biochemist
- Prof. Lane P. Lester, Biologist, Genetics
- Dr Jean Lightner, Agriculture, Veterinary science
- Dr Jason Lisle, Astrophysicist
- Raúl E López, meteorologist
- Dr Alan Love, Chemist
- Dr Ian Macreadie, Molecular Biologist and Microbiologist
- Dr John Marcus, Molecular Biologist
- Dr George Marshall, Eye Disease Researcher
- Dr Ralph Matthews, Radiation Chemistry
- Dr Mark McClain, Inorganic Chemistry, Associate Professor of Chemistry, Cedarville University
- Dr John McEwan, Organic Chemistry
- Prof. Andy McIntosh, Combustion theory, aerodynamics
- Dr David Menton, Anatomist
- Dr Angela Meyer, Creationist Plant Physiologist
- Dr John Meyer, Physiologist
- Dr Douglas Miller, Professor of Chemistry, Cedarville University
- Dr Albert Mills, Reproductive Physiologist, Embryologist
- Robert T. Mitchell, specialist in Internal Medicine and active speaker on creation
- Colin W. Mitchell, Geography
- Dr John N. Moore, Science Educator
- Dr John W. Moreland, Mechanical Engineer and Dentist
- Dr Henry M. Morris, Hydrologist
- Dr John D. Morris, Geologist
- Dr Len Morris, Physiologist
- Dr Graeme Mortimer, Geologist
- Stanley A. Mumma, Architectural Engineering
- Prof. Hee-Choon No, Nuclear Engineering
- Dr Eric Norman, Biomedical researcher
- Dr David Oderberg, Philosopher
- Prof. John Oller, Linguistics
- Prof. Chris D. Osborne, Assistant Professor of Biology
- Dr John Osgood, Medical Practitioner
- Dr Charles Pallaghy, Botanist
- Dr Gary E. Parker, Biologist, Cognate in Geology (Paleontology)
- Dr David Pennington, Plastic Surgeon
- Dr Mathew Piercy, anaesthetist
- Dr Terry Phipps, Professor of Biology, Cedarville University
- Dr Jules H. Poirier, Aeronautics, Electronics
- Prof. Richard Porter
- Dr Georgia Purdom, Molecular Genetics
- Dr John Rankin, Cosmologist
- Dr A.S. Reece, M.D.
- Prof. J. Rendle-Short, Pediatrics
- Dr Jung-Goo Roe, Biology
- Dr David Rosevear, Chemist
- Dr Ariel A. Roth, Biology
- Dr Ron Samec, Astronomy
- Dr Jonathan D. Sarfati, Physical chemist / spectroscopist
- Dr Joachim Scheven Palaeontologist
- Dr Ian Scott, Educator
- Dr Saami Shaibani, Forensic Physicist
- Dr Young-Gi Shim, Chemistry
- Prof. Hyun-Kil Shin, Food Science
- Dr Mikhail Shulgin, Physics
- Dr Emil Silvestru, Geologist/karstologist
- Dr Roger Simpson, Engineer
- Dr Harold Slusher, Geophysicist
- Dr E. Norbert Smith, Zoologist
- Dr Andrew Snelling, Geologist
- Prof. Man-Suk Song, Computer Science
- Dr Timothy G. Standish, Biology
- Prof. James Stark, Assistant Professor of Science Education
- Prof. Brian Stone, Engineer
- Dr Esther Su, Biochemistry
- Dr Dennis Sullivan, Biology, surgery, chemistry, Professor of Biology, Cedarville University
- Dr Charles Taylor, Linguistics
- Dr Stephen Taylor, Electrical Engineering
- Dr Ker C. Thomson, Geophysics
- Dr Michael Todhunter, Forest Genetics
- Dr Lyudmila Tonkonog, Chemistry/Biochemistry
- Dr Royal Truman, Organic Chemist
- Dr Larry Vardiman, Atmospheric Science
- Prof. Walter Veith, Zoologist
- Dr Joachim Vetter, Biologist
- Dr Tas Walker, Mechanical Engineer and Geologist
- Dr Jeremy Walter, Mechanical Engineer
- Dr Keith Wanser, Physicist
- Dr Noel Weeks, Ancient History (also has B.Sc. in Zoology)
- Dr A.J. Monty White, Chemistry/Gas Kinetics
- Dr John Whitmore, Geologist/Paleontologist
- Dr Clifford Wilson, Psycholinguist and Archaeologist
- Dr Kurt Wise, Palaeontologist
- Dr Bryant Wood, Creationist Archaeologist
- Prof. Seoung-Hoon Yang, Physics
- Dr Thomas (Tong Y.) Yi, Ph.D., Creationist Aerospace & Mechanical Engineering
- Dr Ick-Dong Yoo, Genetics
- Dr Sung-Hee Yoon, Biology
- Dr Patrick Young, Chemist and Materials Scientist
- Prof. Keun Bae Yu, Geography
- Dr Henry Zuill, Biology
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BlackKnightKisses
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Why should I do all the work if you are genuinely interested in some of these archeological digs which used the Bible for historical accuracy just google "bible discoveries" the scientific work look at the list below and I challenged nonlinear in this thread to do his homework and this is what he found.
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Do your research this has recently been questioned by science
Doing it right now. I have some recent papers on my desk at the moment and you´re right. It has been questioned. There seems to be two different kinds of views, energy-scale and time-space based, one possible observation on the former, and nothing conclusive yet. Very interesting stuff indeed. Thank you for the tip.
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It has come up a few times, notably in 1999 and 2004, but as far as I know the findings have been subsequently debunked. Do you have a source from the last year or two?
If you have access you can look for recent papers by Joao Magueijo and George F. R. Ellis on google scholar for example.
If evolution is science and questions itself than I challenge you to question it!
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Because you have made all these unsupported claims. You argued that there are scientific discoveries that have their origins from the Bible and archeological digs which used the Bible for reference. You couldn't support these actual claims, so you posted a list of names of scientific authorities that you ripped off of Creationist Ministries International. In short, you have absolutely no credible or verifiable evidence to disprove evolution or to prove creationism.
Funnily enough, from reading about a lot of the names you listed, some accept evolution, but argue that it is a part of God's plan and creation. Some of them, like the first physicist on your list, demonstrate they don't even have the most basic biological understanding of evolution. In short, you did exactly what I expected you would do. You were confronted with a demand for evidence, and since you couldn't provide any objective knowledge, you went to subjective forms of knowledge, such as tradition, authority, and intuition.
Now you wanted supporting evidence, here are some videos for you to watch.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KnJX68ELbAY&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZFrkjEgUDZA&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fnj7PlqmJ5o&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80nhqGfN6t8&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HzmbnxtnMB4&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t3k0dDFxkhM&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g8Q2Db17v5U&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TU-7d06HJSs&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qfoje7jVJpU&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5MXTBGcyNuc&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dm277H3ot6Y&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2TkY7HrJOhc&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=myfifz3C0mI&feature=related
Evolutionary theory has been under attack by Creationist since its inception and it has withstood the barrage to be accepted by 95% of the scientific community.
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I agree, there seems to be much hostility in this thread...
BlackKnightKisses- Putting aside everything youve discussed in this thread....can you just explain in one post as to why you won't consider the theory of evolution as credible?
Im asking out of pure interest, not to be argumentative.
thank you
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Simple there is not one shred of evidence that evolution offers only theory. it is merely a belief. The argument presented to me for creation is not only credible by scientific measure but historically credible as its assertions are observed in the world today and finally it is more than a religion to me and you can make what you want of it, but I know the creator it is no longer just a belief but a friendship. So I have three reasons against one man made story that tries to explain his existence.
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I give up.
1. There is evidence to support evolution (see 13 youtube videos to hear some of it).
2. There is no scientific evidence to support creationism. All that has been presented is subjective forms of knowledge, namely traditional, authority, and intuitive forms of knowledge.
3. I've learned that creationists utilize selective perception to stay ignorant of the facts and they are perfectly happy to do so.
Selective perception: only pursuing information that supports one's values and beliefs.
Hence, my original question has been answered. I now know why some people accept creationism as a valid alternative theory.
I give up.
1. There is evidence to support evolution (see 13 youtube videos to hear some of it).
2. There is no scientific evidence to support creationism. All that has been presented is subjective forms of knowledge, namely traditional, authority, and intuitive forms of knowledge.
3. I've learned that creationists utilize selective perception to stay ignorant of the facts and they are perfectly happy to do so.
Selective perception: only pursuing information that supports one's values and beliefs.
Hence, my original question has been answered. I now know why some people accept creationism as a valid alternative theory.
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BlackKnightKisses
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And you did exactly as I thought you would do. The evidence is there you just could not be bothered to look. Your mind is closed and you are comfortable in ignorance. You discredit the evidence based on its source not its content. With that list there are links to biographies and many of them lead to articles, scientific paper, and discoveries that they have made. You were too lazy or afraid to look for yourself on google for bible discoveries the reason I suggested that is there are so many if you look I have the it would take a lot to encapsulate them here. You sir are the one that lacks credibility liking to mock but you your self have not put forward any proof for your stance.
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It would make a lot more sense to make that claim if I hadn't used examples of your "authorities" in my reply to you!
Projection.
You haven't presented any evidence! You have only presented "authorities"!
And I read a few and made some points about them, which you seemed to have ignored.
If you aren't going to contribute to the discussion, then get the hell out of my thread!
Except for 13 videos which I posted, but you seem to be ignoring.
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This has gotten too damn ridiculous. You have already done a perfect job demonstrating to me why some people accept creationism as a valid alternative theory. Namely selective perception and scientific ignorance. And as you have completely failed 6 times now to provide any verifiable or objective evidence to support your claims, I don't see how you are even worth discussing this with anymore.
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That is sad embryonic development is no evidence for evolution it is a story based around process in common to all living creatures that was the way it was DESIGNED. Give me some real evidence for evolution.
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You guys will argue about this until the end of time. Or until you die. No one can prove theories they can only be proved wrong. There's enough evidence for evolution to be generally accepted. I haven't looked into creationism though so I would not know if there's enough. Theories are something humans thought up to help make the world seem rashionable. I can tell neither of you are budging at all in this debate or argument whatever you want to call it. It's just insult after insult.
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Not going to waste anymore of my time on you kid. Sgt has it right. No way to prove this one way or another. I asked you for evidence 6 times before you ever asked me for any. If you wish to argue intelligent design, then you are entitled to that belief. I currently see more evidence to support evolution that I see to support creatioinism, so I'm going with that until some new evidence is found or a better explaination is derived. That is all there is to it.
