Homosexual Marriage and Adoption

TheLastMohican said:
I'm afraid I don't follow what part of the argument you're driving at. I was referring to the simultaneous lack of moral relativism and Christianity in Palestine, combined with the presumed presence of INFJs.
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Yeah, I figured I missed something there.

And apparently what I missed was about the size of the Atlantic Ocean...

I'll resume lurkiness now....



*creeps away*
 
VindurNótt said:
why would you do that??? come on, I've read the bible! surely you could take some witch craft! (at least, do you remember who they were by?)
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IDK, there are some books out there on the subject that should be thrown away and I feel for anyone who may have picked one up and now believes that interpetation of what we do!
 
alcyone said:
IDK, there are some books out there on the subject that should be thrown away and I feel for anyone who may have picked one up and now believes that interpetation of what we do!
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U know, thats why i asked about the writer.
 
alcyone said:
I'm not sure how you meant that, but that comment was unnecessary.
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See this is exactly why I said it so that no one would turn against me. Satya is well like the most scholar person on here and also has 11 superstar points and I have one. Also I haven't been here that long either.


To sum up our conclusion:


I know this already:
Homosexuals actually can raise children as well as
heteros.*
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Excellent.


Although you don't seem to understand:
That gender and figures have an impact on the childs outcome
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I'm sure they do.
 
Pristinegirl said:
See this is exactly why I said it so that no one would turn against me. Satya is well like the most scholar person on here and also has 11 superstar points and I have one. Also I haven't been here that long either.
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Trust me. The rep doesn't mean anything.

To sum up our conclusion:
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My conclusions is that a male figure is not necessarily needed as a parent. At least not in the case of homosexual couples. Now it isn't fair to take ponts out of context Pristine.
 
I can easily see the objections to the Bible by those that believe as such.
Work is calling, and I simply cannot discuss this without the help of the Bible and its teachings. Sorry.
 
just me said:
I can easily see the objections to the Bible by those that believe as such.
Work is calling, and I simply cannot discuss this without the help of the Bible and its teachings. Sorry.
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Not objections to the Bible per se, just objections to certain translations and interpretations of the Bible. We have already gone over this, and you had your chance to take issue with homosexuality from a Christian perspective but you chose to opt out because as you stated, "feelings are neither right nor wrong".
 
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Satya said:
Trust me. The rep doesn't mean anything.

My conclusions is that a male figure is not necessarily needed as a parent. At least not in the case of homosexual couples. Now it isn't fair to take ponts out of context Pristine.
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Okaay , but I think it is to see that I take on a reductionist approach whereas you look upon it with a gestalt approach.

I have officially accept and respect your belief though.
Live and let live? :) (hope you don't hate me Satya :/ )
 
Pristinegirl said:
Okaay , but I think it is to see that I take on a reductionist approach whereas you look upon it with a gestalt approach.
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What do therapy styles have to do with anything? Your going to have to explain this in a little more detail for me.

I have officially accept and respect your belief though.
Live and let live? :) (hope you don't hate me Satya :/ )
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Happy to hear it. I accept and respect that you have your own belief as well.
 
Satya said:
What do therapy styles have to do with anything? Your going to have to explain this in a little more detail for me.
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Well I'm the type of person who will use my knowledge in a wide range of fields as they intertwine and go together. They are not only therapy styles, actually the reductionist approach refers to 'understanding something by looking at the smaller parts by which it is made of' and the gestalt refers to 'looking at the whole'.


Happy to hear it. I accept and respect that you have your own belief as well.
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AAAW lucky me, great for my conscience. I'm glad to hear ^^
 
Pristinegirl said:
Well I'm the type of person who will use my knowledge in a wide range of fields as they intertwine and go together. They are not only therapy styles, actually the reductionist approach refers to 'understanding something by looking at the smaller parts by which it is made of' and the gestalt refers to 'looking at the whole'.
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Hm...interesting perspective, and I think I can see where you are coming from. Your primary argument has been that a male and female are needed to reproduce and so a male and female are needed to raise a well adjusted child. My argument has been that a male and female are needed to reproduce but a male and female aren't necessarily necessary to raise a child. You have based much of your arguments on your personal experiences and studies that indicate the importance of having a male figure around in a child's life, whereas I've based my arguments on studies of same sex couples who have raised just as well adjusted children as their heterosexual counterparts.

However, that disagreement poses an interesting question. Since it is evident that an involved male figure is important to a child's development, how is it that lesbian couples are so capable of raising children to be well adjusted? To me, the answer is that a male figure isn't needed as a parent. A child who already has a father, will look to that father automatically as their male figure regardless of whether or not that father is involved in the child's life. A child who has no father is free to look to other male figures outside of their immediate family for guidance. So while a lesbian couple may not be ideal since it doesn't have a handy male figure available, a child will still likely find a male figure for guidance and end up well adjusted.

I would say this gender role argument isn't really a strong argument against forbidding gay couples from adopting since the ending outcome is still desirable, but it is a strong argument for having mentorship in the life of a child adopted by gay parents.
 
Satya said:
Hm...interesting perspective, and I think I can see where you are coming from. Your primary argument has been that a male and female are needed to reproduce and so a male and female are needed to raise a well adjusted child. My argument has been that a male and female are needed to reproduce but a male and female aren't necessarily necessary to raise a child. You have based much of your arguments on your personal experiences and studies that indicate the importance of having a male figure around in a child's life, whereas I've based my arguments on studies of same sex couples who have raised just as well adjusted children as their heterosexual counterparts.
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You got what I meant ;)

However, that disagreement poses an interesting question. Since it is evident that an involved male figure is important to a child's development, how is it that lesbian couples are so capable of raising children to be well adjusted? To me, the answer is that a male figure isn't needed as a parent.
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Exactly they will have a male attained from some other source if not directly from the familly. This is what I have been saying all along.

A child who already has a father, will look to that father automatically as their male figure regardless of whether or not that father is involved in the child's life. A child who has no father is free to look to other male figures outside of their immediate family for guidance. So while a lesbian couple may not be ideal since it doesn't have a handy male figure available, a child will still likely find a male figure for guidance and end up well adjusted.
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This is adorable, I AM SOOO HAPPY. THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT I HAVE BEEN SAYING, SATYA. That a lesbian child may be well adjusted because of an extraneous variable - a male figure from outside of the familly.

I would say this gender role argument isn't really a strong argument against forbidding gay couples from adopting since the ending outcome is still desirable, but it is a strong argument for having mentorship in the life of a child adopted by gay parents.
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Honestly haha, it has not been clear to me that we were discussing whether it should be forbidden. Only if it should be allowed in terms of like ethics. Although the arguments sustain and I agree ^^

- We have finally reached an agreement and this debate comes towards its end. I think of you higher now that I have argumented with you haha. You should become a lawyer!!
 
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Pristinegirl said:
Honestly haha, it has not been clear to me that we were discussing whether it should be forbidden. Only if it should be allowed in terms of like ethics. Although the arguments sustain and I agree ^^
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I'm not sure I understand the difference between "it should be forbidden" and "if it should be allowed in terms of like ethics". But ok. As long as we can agree that gay couples should be allowed to adopt children, I'm happy.

We have finally reached an agreement and this debate comes towards its end. I think of you higher now that I have argumented with you haha. You should become a lawyer!!
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Ug. Those of us who have souls don't make great lawyers. I'm a social worker to the core.
 
Satya said:
Not objections to the Bible per se, just objections to certain translations and interpretations of the Bible. We have already gone over this, and you had your chance to take issue with homosexuality from a Christian perspective but you chose to opt out because as you stated, "feelings are neither right nor wrong".
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I believe my feelings were hurt for but a moment. Are we talking feelings, then, as the cornerstone of hs? Just curious. I think it unfair to quote scriptures here anyway; it's not as if everyone came to a tent revival or something. I can still see out of one eye.
 
just me said:
I believe my feelings were hurt for but a moment. Are we talking feelings, then, as the cornerstone of hs? Just curious. I think it unfair to quote scriptures here anyway; it's not as if everyone came to a tent revival or something. I can still see out of one eye.
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Yes, this would not be the best thread to quote scriptures.

However, if you would like to take part in my God is a sexist, homophobic, proslavery, sadistic, murderer thread, then I think we could have a fun discussion about the scriptures.

This thread is a discussion about homosexual adoption and marriage.
 
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Satya said:
Yes, this would not be the best thread to quote scriptures.

However, if you would like to take part in my God is a sexist, homophobic, proslavery, sadistic, murderer thread, then I think we could have a fun discussion about the scriptures.

This thread is a discussion about homosexual adoption and marriage.
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very small tip, satya: you can rove the "highlight=..." from the url, and then the reader wouldn't be annoyed at all the highlighting.
 
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