Idea of Peace, No peace at all

00chris00 said:
this is way over simplified but. So long as there are different views there will be conflict (not necessarily violent). However one can find themselves content in their own lives and understanding of things.

I have found peace and enjoy it very much.
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Apathy can be considered a wonderful thing.
 
apathy kills churchs
 
NeverAmI said:
If we could ditch all the oil and go back to a basic way of living I would be estatic. Many times I think how much better the world would be without humans in general.

Yet... Here I am, here you are. If you were getting whipped daily and atrocities were forced on you, I wouldn't be pondering the universe while I watched...
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I wouldn't be pondering the universe were you being horse whipped, either, friend... or anyone else for that matter if I could help it.

I wasn't trying to justify any atrocities and oppression that human beings endure. It just makes sense that if humans abuse the environment and natural resources they're only going to abuse one another as well, while at the same time, ironically enough touting the ideal that humans are the pinnacle of 'creation.'
 
alt ctrl del said:
I wouldn't be pondering the universe were you being horse whipped, either, friend... or anyone else for that matter if I could help it.

I wasn't trying to justify any atrocities and oppression that human beings endure. It just makes sense that if humans abuse the environment and natural resources they're only going to abuse one another as well, while at the same time, ironically enough touting the ideal that humans are the pinnacle of 'creation.'
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Thank you for the elaboration and I apologize for misunderstanding! Excellent point.
 
mf said:
While no one can say life is preferred over death (to do so would claim knowledge about what comes after death)
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We know that we are still energy and matter even after death, that matter and energy does not disappear. It get’s broken down from the structure that is our body and gets restructured into something else.

This something else maybe life, maybe not, or maybe both as some of your remains turn into life within a body of some sort and some are still within dirt.

mf said:
but the fact that we are alive grants us certain rights; the most basic being the right to stay alive. To threaten someone else's life is to take away their right to life.
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The fact something is alive does not give it basic rights; insects, pigs, cows & chickens are alive but they do not have basic rights.

“Basic rights” is not a fact of life; it is a philosophy that is beneficial for over all human freedom of those that matter enough in the world to be protected under that philosophy.

This means you need to have a certain amount of social structure & power within the world to be able to maintain & receive a philosophy of basic rights.

mf said:
Peace does not place more value on life, rather the value that each individual has right to their own life and to take another's life away is a crime.
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Is it a crime when you eat vegetables or the meat of a dead animal; Life is still taken away while each of those things were of their own (individuals).

Why does human life have more rights than these things? Animals still think and they too would rather survive as well as plant life.

Within the world things are given values, the values are not universal (universe itself). We choose and prefer, thus we give higher or lower value to different things.

Which is why there are still countries where the general populous have little to no rights at all. The value of investing all force in those countries is not high enough for the world to truly care. We have other things to do and they mean more pressing than spending the time and resource to change that.

Words speak loudly and ideas are powerful, however action is also speaks volumes.

mf said:
"But it is non-life that sparks life itself and once we die we become non-life. From non-life we become life." That is nothing more than a philosophical idea.
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You talk of misunderstanding and yet you say my idea is nothing more than a philosophical idea?


Philosophical ideas shape the world my friend; it is what allows us to make choices when the choices are not made by nature alone.
 
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00chris00 said:
this is way over simplified but. So long as there are different views there will be conflict (not necessarily violent). However one can find themselves content in their own lives and understanding of things.

I have found peace and enjoy it very much.
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Peace (in the sense I see this thread to be about) is no the absence of conflict or even violence. Rather it is the absence of unjust war. War out of greed; war of suppression; war to show strength/dominance.

I think the peace you are talking about is different. It's the peace one feels inside them self, where they are not in conflict inside them self.
 
then we go back to whether we want peace or righteousness
 
Naxx said:
1. We know that we are still energy and matter even after death, that matter and energy does not disappear. It get
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Naxx said:
Is it a crime when you eat vegetables or the meat of a dead animal; Life is still taken away while each of those things were of their own (individuals).

Why does human life have more rights than these things? Animals still think and they too would rather survive as well as plant life.
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I can give an answer to this.

Humans are the only creature on the planet known to be capable of recognizing and granting rights to others. One can only claim a right if one is capable of granting that right to others as well. Therefore, animals have no rights. Animals do have intrinsic value as feeling creatures and I think that compassion dictates we humans protect that value and only encroach upon it with just cause.

Once again it boils down to "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you".
 
Naxx said:
As an idealist myself I wish the world would move past all of this and see the universe for what it is. See everything for what it is. To embrace truth to embrace not only themselves but everyone and everything.
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Umm I can't help but to throw my two cents in...ever stop to think you should question your own answers? Everything is just a theory until there is no other posible way to answer the question at hand. Just sayin. No need to freak out on me.
 
Naxx said:
One problem I always have with peace idealists is that they're normally inconsiderate to anything that isn't peaceful.

That aggression towards anything that does not represent peace is but another form of violence (idealogical) that will indeed spark more conflict. I do not believe the general idea of peace itself is real peace.
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I disagree. 'Peace' is not a Utopia. You don't have to believe in an ideal (idealogical) way of life to want peace.

Naxx said:
Peace keepers aim to destroy/smother ideas of violence and what they consider ignorance through their own teachings. Either way the opposite idea will lose power as the opposing idea gains strength, it's all a tug of war of dominance and finger pointing of who is more right and who is more wrong.
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No, this is completely false. Moral progress, from the enlightenment onward, has happened due to the spread of ideas not violence. Violence has fallen dramatically since then. In fact, we are now living in the most peaceful era in human history. Steven Pinker has already explained this.

Naxx said:
For peace to be absolute you would have to look all directions, favor all but favor none. Be all things and also be nothing at the same time. Since so far as we know matter and energy does not disappear, this seems unlikely at our current stage of thought.
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Peace does not have to be absolute in order for it to exist. This is simply false.

Naxx said:
I do agree less violence usually means less suffering for living things in general, however peace and non-violence does not escape the power struggle of ideas. Therefore general peace is probably no solution at all, instead it is but one of many points of views.
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Again, peace does not have to be absolute in order to exist. There will always be problems? No shit.

Naxx said:
What makes a person think that they themselves or anyone else is more important then say a pebble in the river?
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What makes us think we are ever right about anything at all -- in science, philosophy and mathematics? When we find a good explanation. There is no such thing as certainty, ever? But so what? There are plenty of good moral explanations out there, this is the best we can ever ask for.
 
wolly.green said:
I disagree. 'Peace' is not a Utopia. You don't have to believe in an ideal (idealogical) way of life to want peace.



No, this is completely false. Moral progress, from the enlightenment onward, has happened due to the spread of ideas not violence. Violence has fallen dramatically since then. In fact, we are now living in the most peaceful era in human history. Steven Pinker has already explained this.



Peace does not have to be absolute in order for it to exist. This is simply false.



Again, peace does not have to be absolute in order to exist. There will always be problems? No shit.



What makes us think we are ever right about anything at all -- in science, philosophy and mathematics? When we find a good explanation. There is no such thing as certainty, ever? But so what? There are plenty of good moral explanations out there, this is the best we can ever ask for.
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Why don't we all just jump up on the table's and scream ANARCHY!!!

Just trying to make a point, if you get it, you get it...
 
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