INFJS and Dogs

problemz said:
I loved getting all these responses. I am also glad to hear from Apone about his homocidal rage, or wait, cyanocidal rage. And then Phenix, who says she entered this board just to assert that she feels exactly the same way I do about dogs. OMG, I can't believe there's another person like me. Dogs are a real problem for some of us. I did this test I found online to see what breed of dog would be the most likely to be my favorite. I got Boston Terrier, but the questions were assuming I wanted a dog. You had three possibilities: want a dog you can spend all day with, want a dog you can spend weekends with, want a dog you could play with for about an hour each day. How about: want a dog you never have to see, or feed, or potty train, or pet, or smell, but might enjoy helping to defend you from other people's dogs. A dog to me is something like a gun with a mind of its own and will just go off and bite people or start barking mindlessly for hours on end for next to no reason, like an alarm clock you didn't even set. I feel a bit better having gotten this off my chest. The only reason I could imagine to own a gun would be to protect myself from other gun owners. That would be the only reason I'd want a dog, too. I have never enjoyed them. Never even once. I've also never fired a gun. I can't imagine owning such a thing. I look through gun catalogues and just think: what on earth are people getting out of this? Still, I would rather take a gun for a walk than a dog. At least the gun wouldn't be barking and wouldn't poop. I can't believe we let dogs poop on our lawns, and people think it's ok to just pick up the major elements of it. They never let the dogs poop on their own lawn. It makes my entire front yard unusable for my children. I won't let them play there. How would other people like it if my children pooped in their front yards and I just cleaned it up for the most part? Don't people realize the residue from dog poop is incredibly unclean and even if they bag it they are leaving salmonella and other bacteria all over my property? What's the matter with people? I doubt if other people would even like if it my children pissed on their lawn. But people think it's normal for their dogs to defecate on my lawn. I recognize my viewpoint is a bit childish and more than a tad petulant in the eyes of others. I just feel so fed up with people and their dogs. I don't get it. However, I am trying to come to peace with this. Thank you for the dialogue. I just wish I had a rhinocerous and could walk around with a pompous air having it defecate all over other people's yards and houses. Last year a neighbor actually left a steaming pile of dog turds on my lawn and I bagged it and put it on her front porch with a note saying, I believe this is yours. She was furious. However, she now at least bags her dog's turds. My neighbors across the street were delighted with my action because they said for twenty years that lady has been leaving her dog's turds on their lawn. Don't get me started on Paris. A whole lifetime of frustration and dismay could be spent cataloguing the disappointments I felt in Paris. People say it's the City of Light. It's actually the city of dog turds everywhere you go.
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A funny inference. I apologize for that. I was typing on a Kindle and if I make a paragraph change it publishes. So I had to run it all together. I could have also used separate messages but decided that would clog up the thread even worse. Some people already probably believe I am just dumping as it is. In a sense, I am. But it's on my own thread and no one has to read this crap if they don't wish to. A student of mine once said, "You just haven't met the right dog." I wonder what would have happened if Hitler had just met the right Jewish person. That's the topic however of a science fiction novel set in the past, not the subject of this thread, which is meant to open up the speculation that INFJs may have an unreasonable dislike of dogs. From the evidence collected, I would not hesitate to say that my aversion, however, is not typological, but personal, although it is shared by a few others. Oh well. I thought I was on to something. Alas. I think now that this IS a form of PTSD, one which assails me in the presence of dogs whether I like it or not. It's so deeprooted that I don't think I can change it through willpower. I can however (and do) go out of my way to avoid dogs, and to avoid the people who love them and who must be in their presence 24/7. I think I can live in the same world with them, as the world is fairly large, and it's possible to avoid them and still live a decent life.
 
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http://articles.nydailynews.com/2012-01-14/news/30626023_1_pet-great-dane-shelter

Hero dog revolutionizes shelter policy to let battered women keep pets



AMANDA MIKELBERG
Saturday, January 14, 2012



A dog that saved one battered woman's life may go on to save many more -- by changing the role beloved family pets play in the lives of domestic abuse victims.
Last year, the heroic Great Dane had thrown himself over the body of a woman who had been nearly beaten to death by her boyfriend who repeatedly struck her with both sides of a hammer.
The dog leapt into the bloody scene, and absorbed most of the blows the man threw at them - before he threw the dog and the woman out a second-story window.




This black Great Dane that protected its owner from an abusive man who attacked…

Hero dog revolutionizes shelter policy to let battered women keep pets


AMANDA MIKELBERG
Saturday, January 14, 2012

A dog that saved one battered woman's life may go on to save many more -- by changing the role beloved family pets play in the lives of domestic abuse victims.
Last year, the heroic Great Dane had thrown himself over the body of a woman who had been nearly beaten to death by her boyfriend who repeatedly struck her with both sides of a hammer.
The dog leapt into the bloody scene, and absorbed most of the blows the man threw at them - before he threw the dog and the woman out a second-story window.

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The desperate woman called the Rose Brooks Center in Kansas City, M.O., where arrangements were made for the woman only - the dog, sadly, couldn't stay.
But the woman, who has chosen to identify herself, refused to abandon “her angel,” Susan Miller, the center's chief executive said.
“She was not going to leave her pet alone with him,” Miller said. "He saved her life."
The dog had suffered serious injuries including a broken and hip, ribs and other broken bones, and with the woman clinging to her trusted companion, the shelter had to make an exception.
Forty percent of the women will not leave their pets, so they live in their cars or they stay. They risk their own life or the life of their children.
Another woman lived in her car for four months while waiting to get into a pet-friend shelter.
Realizing how much a difference it makes in the lives of abuse-escapees, now the shelter is now in the process of adding seven kennels, and expanding the shelter to accommodate another 25 beds.
“They provide so much comfort, and to have to leave that pet behind is so heartbreaking,” Miller said. “It has become abundantly clear that the incredible therapeutic benefits that pets can have on a family greatly outweigh the cost and inconvenience of housing them.”
Miller said seven out of every 10 women in the United States say they are unable to escape abusive relationships in part because the abuser threatens to harm the family pet. Two out of five women say they don't leave because they worry about what will happen to their dog.

To donate to the Rose Brooks Center and contribute to the crucial expansion project, follow this link: http://www.rosebrooks.org/
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I've softened up on dogs quite a bit over the last couple of days. It helped for me to hear the version of the dog lovers. There is a novel that you can get called The Day the Dogs Talked by Hazard Adams. He has a fantasy novel about a community in which the dogs talk for just one day. It's very fun, I think. Hazard Adams was a very famous academic in Seattle whose real life was with his dog. He was a specialist in Irish literature especially Yeats. He is now eighty something and always wanted to write that novel, he said in an interview. The character of the Lutheran pastor who hates dogs is based on my emails with him.

On a more horrible note, and please don't look at this if you can't handle it, but it turns out that Mexican fisherman put hooks through the snouts of dogs and make them swim as shark bait. It's beyond description. You can get involved in trying to stop it here: http://www.causes.com/actions/1679274?fb_comment_id=fbc_278603672255404_1328961_283427805106324

I'm anti dog but only because they cause me pain. In no way would I ever be able to cause pain to any other thing, especially not a mammal. I'm a vegetarian, believe it or not. I just can't stand pain or even too much in the way of sensory input. I think I might be a little autistic or something.

At any rate, if you open that link, be prepared to see a golden retriever with a hook through its nose. It's preposterous how horrible people can be to animals. We should bomb Mexico for this.
 
In Hazard Adams' The Dog the Dogs Talked there is a funny scene in which one dog begins to talk about philosophy with his former master, and clarifies a few problems in medieval philosophy that his acadeic master had long pondered while pacing in his studio. If I could have a dog like that I would take it. I think minimally a dog should be able to visit the toilet on their own, flush, talk about medieval philosophy, and not bark, in order to find a place in my home. If there were a dog like that somewhere in the world, it could live with me. Until then, I shall remain dog-free.
 
I hate, detest, and wish destruction on other people's dogs.

However, I don't mind dogs that are "everyone's".

At one of my postings overseas there was a German Shepherd that was not loyal to any one person (ie. she was independant) and she was also very obedient. So it was kind of great being able to take her for a jog one day and ignore her the next. She would only come if called.
 
I am an INFJ, as is my husband, and neither one of us owns a dog or likes them. The neighbours however have perfectly wonderful dogs around us. They appear to be well behaved and of the better sort: several golden retrievers, an airdale, and what looks like a retriever of some sort. They must have had some training because they don't eliminate on our yard, don't bark enough for anyone to notice, and love children (and vice versa). I don't mind them if other people own them, take good care of them, and if they are well behaved. I understand that people have connections with pets that are important. For myself, I really couldn't spare the expense, amongst other things that I don't need to get into.
 
problemz said:
I don't like pets. I especially hate dogs. I don't know why people like them. They slobber, they smell bad, and are invasive of personal space. Do INFJs like dogs generally? I hate them. I don't mind cats, or even piranhas, or if someone had an ant farm I would think nothing of it. I cannot stand dogs, though. Is this because I was once a paperboy, or is it that dogs are just too ESTP? Also dogs are so damned loud. Who can stand all that barking and gregariousness? Why in fact do dogs even exist? I sometimes feel that if I were given the chance I would be a Hitler to dogs. I might round them up and start punching buttons. I don't mind wolves or even foxes (vixens are fine!) but dogs of any stripe, ... Who needs them? They all get walked and end up often pooping on my lawn. One tiny grain of dog poop can poison an entire pond! Why are we putting up with this shit?
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I had 2 Australian Cattle Dogs (not Australian Shepherds). If I had to assign personality types to them, I would give one intj and the other infp. I adored them both. They were quick to please and courteous dogs. I cried like a child when each of them died. ACD's are usually quiet, and some are silent.

Labs are more ESTP.
 
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I'm thinking seriously of buying a dog. I want an INFJ dog. Which dog is the most INFJ? I'm liking the Japanese Chin right now. They're so cute! Also the Shitzu. I'm in love with dogs right now. I guess intense hatred is just the other side of love. I love all dogs right now. I dreamed last night that a three hundred foot long dog came into my life and I loved it!
 
problemz said:
I'm thinking seriously of buying a dog. I want an INFJ dog. Which dog is the most INFJ? I'm liking the Japanese Chin right now. They're so cute! Also the Shitzu. I'm in love with dogs right now. I guess intense hatred is just the other side of love. I love all dogs right now. I dreamed last night that a three hundred foot long dog came into my life and I loved it!
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Glad you have overcome your fear.
I would recommend spending time with dogs before bringing one home, though. They are a ton of work! Especially puppies.
It really depends on your lifestyle when it comes to what breed of dog you adopt. There are dogs who need a lot of exercise and activity and space to run and play, then there are breeds who are more mellow and don't need as much space and exercise.
 
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