RainbowGirlAli
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There are some very truthful points there Artisan.
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[MENTION=11651]Artisan[/MENTION], the stuff you're saying about meat farming competing with resources for plant farming is not factual. The meat animals have to eat too, and their food does not come out of thin air. Basically, we ARE competing for the same resources. Meat farming consumes more energy, land, and water resources than plant farming. It's less sustainable for the planet.
The OP asked what peoples thoughts were about it. And those are my thoughts.
I'm not here to discuss why I should or should not be a veggy.
My thoughts are what they are. And in the end it still comes down to megacorporations.
I did not say that you are not permitted to share your thoughts.
No part of what I wrote made any suggestion of whether or not you should be vegetarian.
What I wrote was a response to a rather substantial part of your post about meat and plant farming together being better for the planet than plant farming alone, due to the notion that there would be greater competition for resources if we only farmed plants. This notion is flawed.
Megacorporations are not relevant to whether meat farming is good for the environment.
hunting for meat would not req. additional land to keep stock.
Megacorporations also tend to overproduce which causes a large percentage of meat to not be sold and end up spoiled. same goes for veggys.
If food production was more localized, people would be more inclined to produce the amount they need to sustain themselves rather then to over produce. If you've ever worked at a supermarket you will know how much food is thrown away because it reached an expiary date. Same shit goes for restaurants. If you look at small towns in harsh places such as in alaska, you will see that no meat is wasted.
Meat does not have to be farmed in such quantities either. There are plagues of boars in lots of countries because mankind has driven out their natural enemies. Instead of keeping pigs in cramped quarters people could opt to hunt, unfortunately megacorporations produce larger quanities for lesser costs by over producing. This means that small time people cannot get their meat and produce to market and neither can hunters.
Meanwhile these corporations keep expanding to meet demands in all industries because they pushed out the little guys with their lower prices. These corporations are also the ones who use the largest amounts of poisons on crops that are partly responsible for the huge amount of deaths in bees, which are needed to pollinate crops and wild vegitation. They also are the ones pushing for GMO crops, which have their own negative impacts on the environment as lots are poisonous to insects. Since there are less bees a larger portion of the crop is less effective and additional tools/machines need to be made and aquired to take over this pollinating function, untill then this loss is simpyly countered by vaster amounts of land.
So I would say megacorporations are very relevant as they are the biggest distortion to our ecology, and have the biggest impact on the quality of life sustained by the animals that make people go veggy in the first place. My notion only seems flawed because our entire planets system of life is being vastly distorted right now. The web of life is vast and interconnected, things might seem small and irrelevant but they are not. I welcome you to disprove my thoughts by calculating how much meat and produce spoils and is lost on a global scale, and how many acres of land these requiered to produce.
You talk big, but then you will happily turn around and eat hot dogs, which is like the most commercial meat product ever. It's easy to blame corporations for everything and just go on doing whatever you want to do, but the exact place they get their money and power from is people who don't care enough to change their behaviours dropping cash directly into their pockets. Yes, there are problems with mass plant production too. You can wish all you want about a better world, but in the current food market, consuming meat products is not the more resource-sustainable decision.
I'm sorry but im going to play your own game now.
There is no factual knowedge linking to research reports and well referenced articles from reputabe sources to disprove my thoughts in your posts ;p
Honestly man I just came here to share my thoughts since the OP asked people to share their thoughts on why they're vegetarian or not.
I gave my thoughts, now I'm gonna stop posting here as this is going offtopic. If you wanna continue this take it to pm and bring your own facts.
When you get back, you will probably get a laugh at my wtf thread in admin suggestions and feedback. Have a look at it. Vive la Revolution Invisible.I apologise Artisan - I am off my rocker, and need a little forum holiday.
I am vegetarian mostly because it's easier for me, gives me an excuse to splurge on fruits and vegetables, and I don't miss the meat. Variation is crucial to attain the necessary vitamins, minerals, and phytochemicals, but it's been quite well worth it for me. Although these books are more centered around a vegan diet, "Super Immunity" and "Eat to Live" by Dr. Joel Fuhrman have a lot of empirical backing (except for the China Study, which has since been shredded to pieces) and explanation for why fruits/veggies are so important and which do what for us. The author can be dogmatic at some points, but, IMO, his data are solid and his recommendations helpful. Definitely recommended for folks interested in any flavor of vegetarianism, or plant-based nutritional information in general.
I apologize for leaving my post incomplete. Whether you are INFJ or not, what are your thoughts about being/becoming a vegetarian? Saying it doesn’t matter is still a valid response