Irrelevance of liberal, socialist and communist ideals in the modern world.

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economic growth

 

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We are in agreement that positive economic growth is of benifit to a country. Where Democrats and Republicans differ though is that Democrats ultimately wish to turn the masses into slaves while Republicans are interested in freedom of the people to make their own choices. If it were to come of it and I have no reason to believe it ever has, I would willing trade a little positive economic growth so that our freedoms can remain intact.

 

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Democrats ultimately wish to turn the masses into slaves .

Spoiler: whoa

your uber awareness at work

 

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Spoiler: whoa

your uber awareness at work

I think this is supported well by their foundational goals. Larger goverment that has control over more programs as just the tip of the iceberg.

 

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I think this is supported well by their foundation goals. Larger government that has control over more programs as just the tip of the iceberg.

given the massive democratic (small d) that is coming, kinda sucks to be you

 

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given the massive democratic (small d) that is coming, kinda sucks to be you

We will see. I think you will be surprised and even more angry.
We learned how wrong polls were in 2016. Why would you think anything has changed?

 

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We will see. I think you will be surprised and even more angry.
We learned how wrong polls were in 2016. Why would you think anything has changed?

I thought you were a numbers guy.Trump had a solid statistical chance in the polls in 2016, which is why I spent hours walking door to door for Mrs Clinton. Pundits misrepresented the numbers...for whatever reason. Those same numbers are indicating a possible switch in control of the House, given there is "no collusion what so ever" by the Trumpsters, what could possible go wrong?

 

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I thought you were a numbers guy.Trump had a solid statistical chance in the polls in 2016, which is why I spent hours walking door to door for Mrs Clinton. Pundits misrepresented the numbers...for whatever reason. Those same numbers are indicating a possible switch in contlooprol of the House, given there is "no collusion what so ever" by the Trumpsters, what could possible go wrong?

I have suspected for a while that the investigation has deliberately been ongoing for as long as it has with the intention of damaging Trump and the GOP. "The only reason it has not wrapped up must be because there's something to the story. The whole of the GOP is corrupt!" Or so the hopes of the Democrats go.
I think its clear the only collution happening is first, the Russia dossier which the investigation is based on in the first place showing 1) not only to be based on false information itself but 2) having been "ordered" by the Democrats for the sole reason of damaging Trump and his agenda.

A couple of things to think about. First, all of this "new" information slowly leading to Trumps proof of guilt. Where is this new information that liberals scream and talk about coming from? If its a real investigation and the FBI is doing what they are supposed to be doing, none of this information should be realsed into the public until finished. So either the FBI isn't doing their job or all this new information is false. If the FBI isn't doing their job we the public need to know Why. That would be true regardless of who was under investigation. Or so I would like to think it would matter to both sides.

No, I fully believe this is deliberately being drawn out by request. My opinion yes and one I think liberals would absolutely agree with if it was one of their own being investigated. So yes, we shall see if this tatic has any bearing on the coming elections.

I know you can't see it but, everyone should be very concerned that our highest law of the land can be directed into action over false reports and then directed to admonish guilt at the whim of those in power. The law of the land needs to be fair and just and needs to apply to all Americans. Otherwise there is no law.

 

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I have suspected for a while that the investigation has deliberately been ongoing for as long as it has with the intention of damaging Trump and the GOP. "The only reason it has not wrapped up must be because there's something to the story. The whole of the GOP is corrupt!" Or so the hopes of the Democrats go.

Given the scope of the Mueller investigation the amount of time does not seem so out of bound

July 24, 2015: The inspectors general at the State Department and Director of National Intelligence ask the Justice Department to review whether classified information was compromised in Clinton’s use of private email.
July 5, 2016: FBI Director James Comey announces the recommendation not to prosecute Clinton.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...hillary-clinton-email-investigation/86706098/

I think its clear the only collution happening is first, the Russia dossier which the investigation is based on in the first place showing 1) not only to be based on false information itself but 2) having been "ordered" by the Democrats for the sole reason of damaging Trump and his agenda.

The Steele dossier was not the basis claimed by the CIA and the Director of National Intelligence for the initial investigation. Robert Litt the formerGeneral Counsel to the Office of the Director of National Intelligence stated as much

The dossier itself played absolutely no role in the coordinated intelligence assessment that Russia interfered in our election. That assessment, which was released in unclassified form in January but which contained much more detail in the classified version that has been briefed to Congress, was based entirely on other sources and analysis.

https://www.lawfareblog.com/irrelevance-trump-dossier
https://www.dni.gov/files/documents/ICA_2017_01.pdf

A couple of things to think about. First, all of this "new" information slowly leading to Trumps proof of guilt. Where is this new information that liberals scream and talk about coming from? If its a real investigation and the FBI is doing what they are supposed to be doing, none of this information should be realsed into the public until finished. So either the FBI isn't doing their job or all this new information is false. If the FBI isn't doing their job we the public need to know Why. That would be true regardless of who was under investigation. Or so I would like to think it would matter to both sides.

The only information that has come out of the Mueller investigation is from those who were interviewed and the two indictments themselves. Mueller has been notoriously closed mouthed about the whole thing. Much of what is reported in the press is based on investigative reporting and speculation. The leaking that has occurred is coming out of Congress, the only body with the power to actually remove the President.

Most of the alleged abuses by the FBI are mountains made from mole hills by the President's defenders who unconscionably assault the FBI.

Now you can argue that because the enslavement driven Democratic party was in power before your glorious leader took charge that therefore everything that happened before Jan 20 2016 was nefarious, but that's just your opinion....man

 

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Given the scope of the Mueller investigation the amount of time does not seem so out of bound

The Steele dossier was not the basis claimed by the CIA and the Director of National Intelligence for the initial investigation. Robert Litt the formerGeneral Counsel to the Office of the Director of National Intelligence stated as much https://www.lawfareblog.com/irrelevance-trump-dossierView attachment 40072
https://www.dni.gov/files/documents/ICA_2017_01.pdf
The only information that has come out of the Mueller investigation is from those who were interviewed and the two indictments themselves. Mueller has been notoriously closed mouthed about the whole thing. Much of what is reported in the press is based on investigative reporting and speculation. The leaking that has occurred is coming out of Congress, the only body with the power to actually remove the President.

Most of the alleged abuses by the FBI are mountains made from mole hills by the Presidents defenders who unconscionably assault the FBI.

Now you can argue that because the enslavement driven Democratic party was in power before your glorious leader took charge that therefore everything that happened before Jan 20 2016 was nefarious, but that's just your opinion....man

Cool. Glad to see you arent beimg carried away with all the "new" information the media loves to comment on. As for what initiated Trumps collution investigation...yeah. When this is all done I'm going to love to see what did. Democrats.....err um.

 

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Cool. Glad to see you arent beimg carried away with all the "new" information the media loves to comment on. As for what initiated Trumps collution investigation...yeah. When this is all done I'm going to love to see what did. Democrats.....err um.

Are you aware that Trumps campaign manager was already legally targeted by a FISA warrant before he took the job?

 

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Are you aware that Trumps campaign manager was already legally targeted by a FISA warrant before he took the job?

I believe I heard something along those lines. I also believe that was before he was Trumps manager. People had lives before becoming involved with his campaign. It hardly makes you guilty of someone else's crimes just because they come to work for you.

 

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I believe I heard something along those lines. I also believe that was before he was Trumps manager. People had lives before becoming involved with his campaign. It hardly makes you guilty of someone else's crimes just because they come to work for you.

Point is, Manafort was into Russia big time, millions of dollars owed, money laundering accusations, the FBI had cause to investigate anything he was up to.

 

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Point is, Manafort was into Russia big time, millions of dollars owed, money laundering accusations, the FBI had cause to investigate anything he was up to.

I agree with that.

 

[Stu]

I agree with that.

The Steele Dossier was not the basis of our governments suspicion of and subsequent investigation of Russian interference in our Presidential Electoral Process. It was deemed, at the time of the election, that if any Americans aided the Russians in that endeavor then that aiding had to be brought to full light as it was then considered a bad thing, But now of course the GOP seems to think that its just A. O. K.
And we are not just talking about face book and twitter (and redit and the INFJS forum) there are serious indications that the Russians poured tens of millions of dollars into the GOP coffers through American middle men due to the relaxation of donation caps thanks to Citizens United. But It seems that holding power in Washington is more important to the GOP than anything else. (A trillion and a half dollar corporate tax cut funded by deficit spending) https://www.dallasnews.com/opinion/...-proxies-helped-funnel-millions-gop-campaigns

 

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The Steele Dossier was not the basis of our governments suspicion of and subsequent investigation of Russian interference in our Presidential Electoral Process. It was deemed, at the time of the election, that if any Americans aided the Russians in that endeavor then that aiding had to be brought to full light as it was then considered a bad thing, But now of course the GOP seems to think that its just A. O. K.
And we are not just talking about face book and twitter (and redit and the INFJS forum) there are serious indications that the Russians poured tens of millions of dollars into the GOP coffers through American middle men due to the relaxation of donation caps thanks to Citizens United. But It seems that holding power in Washington is more important to the GOP than anything else. (A trillion and a half dollar corporate tax cut funded by deficit spending) https://www.dallasnews.com/opinion/...-proxies-helped-funnel-millions-gop-campaigns

Ok. Well here's my thought. Fine investigate the accusations but I am more inclined to believe it's nothing more than Democrats trying to cover their own tracks and to damage Trumps Presidency. So when its all done on Trumps investigation there needs to be an investigation of the investigation an everything that led to it. That is where I think you will find the real crime.

 

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Ok. Well here's my thought. Fine investigate the accusations but I am more inclined to believe it's nothing more than Democrats trying to cover their own tracks and to damage Trumps Presidency. So when its all done on Trumps investigation there needs to be an investigation of the investigation an everything that led to it. That is where I think you will find the real crime.

because Mueller is corrupt?

 

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because Mueller is corrupt?

Because of this:

I am more inclined to believe

 

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because Mueller is corrupt?

I think Muellers ties along with some if not all of his team's actions are suspect and should be taken seriously to the point they need to be brought to light. However it would be ignorant to think there are no Conservative or Democrat FBI agents.

 

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Because of this:

Hardly. Go back to sleep little one.
We know there were and potentially still are agents working on the investigation who are hostile to Trump and possibly beyond. Obviously you can't allow those people on an investigation like this.