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please excuse me but i need to return to my tabloid journalism consumption addiction now.
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please excuse me but i need to return to my tabloid journalism consumption addiction now.
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I've actually done none of those things. I didn't even know this was a real thing at first until you said something. Never heard of some of these people. Don't really care.
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Well I know why they care, its an invasion of privacy, and I can understand why people who have the illusion of being close to those individuals feel the way they do or anyone who cares about privacy as a topical issue would too.
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Cynical me wondered was it a deliberate "accidential" release of this material given the celebrity status of the people involved but reading more about it I'm not so sure.
I do agree that people tend to not know enough about the security protocols or lack of them when using a lot of things such as "the cloud", I'll confess to knowing nothing about it besides the advertising and I'm not sure about it on the basis of that alone, and that is a thing, if this had been their financial information for instance or other security compromising information it could make them vulnerable to kidnap or anything like that, studios could have information about films leaked or other work related breaches could occur.
That brings me to the final point there which I think is the most important, its not a leak, a leak would be if the celebrities themselves deliberately released it themselves somehow or their press agents did or something but this appears to be theft, pure and simple.
The BBC Click broadcast covered a convention recently of hackers and illustrated just how the mindset existed of persons not being paranoid or capable of securing their devices were "fair game" some how by having a billboard of "sheeple" people whose devices were not secured and therefore could be accessed by anyone and posted to the board to be ridiculed. To my mind this is just the equivalent of jocks ridiculing anyone who has not sporting prowess only its nerdy types and could be much more serious.
The law alone isnt going to provide a fix to this I dont think, there need to be evolved norms, just because you can do something does not mean that you should, a really difficult message to get across in an age of entitlement and diminished conscientiousness.
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In your twisted world, people who have dicks are sex offenders.
say what
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Saw this today:
Just another perspective.
What Happened To Jennifer Lawrence Was Sexual Assault
TW for talk of sexual assault, victim blaming, misogyny
You’ve probably heard about the nude photographs of Jennifer Lawrence that were leaked online yesterday. The leak also included nude pictures of Kirsten Dunst, Ariana Grande, Mary Elizabeth Winstead and several other women, but, naturally, it’s Lawrence who’s drawing most of the heat because she’s super-famous right now. She’s also known for being charmingly awkward and honestly if I had to place any bets I would guess that most people were hoping that she would respond to this with some kind of hilariously crass Real Talk about sex and her body and being naked. I keep seeing comments by people who want her to provide the punchline to this joke; what they don’t seem to understand is that this is not a joke, this is a form of sexual assault.
Jennifer Lawrence and the other women involved in this leak were photographed in the nude with their consent – however, they did not consent to having those pictures published publicly. And just to be very, very clear here because the last thing that I want is for someone to misunderstand what I’m saying: lack of consent in a sexual act – in this case sharing nude photographs against someone’s will – is what makes this sexual assault. The person or people who leaked these photographs committed a sex crime, and it should be treated as one. Anyone who chooses to look at those photographs is complicit in that crime. Unless Jennifer Lawrence has specifically given you permission to look at these specific nude pictures of her, doing so violates her privacy. It doesn’t matter that she’s famous, or that you don’t know her personally. It double doesn’t matter that she’s hot. Looking at those photographs is a violation of her person, end of sentence, full stop.
Another thing that we need to be very clear about: this leak was not Jennifer Lawrence’s fault, or the fault of anyone else whose nude pictures were shared without their consent. It did not happen because they had nude pictures stored on their phones or in iCloud. It did not happen because their passwords weren’t good enough. It was not an accident. It happened because someone decided to deliberately commit a theft of personal property. It happened because someone leaked that private personal property online. It happened because of an illegal act committed on purpose by one or several people. It did not happen because some hot famous women just weren’t careful enough.
But women can never be careful enough, can we? If we take naked pictures of ourselves, we’re asking for it. If someone can manage to hack into our accounts, we’re asking for it. If we’re not wearing anti-rape nail polish, we’re asking for it. If we don’t take self-defence classes, we’re asking for it. If we get drunk, we’re asking for it. If our skirts are too short, we’re asking for it. If we pass out at a party, we’re asking for it. If we are not hyper-vigilant every single fucking second of every single fucking day, we are asking for it. Even when we are hyper-vigilant, we’re still asking for it. The fact that we exist is asking for it.
This is what rape culture looks like.
This is what misogyny looks like.
They look like Perez Hilton posting Jennifer Lawrence’s nude photographs on his site, and then refusing to take them down because the story is “too big to ignore,” and anyway the pictures are “no big deal” and “HOT.”
They look like this dude, whose response to one of the leak victims was to tell her that he masturbated to her pictures:
@M_E_Winstead I felt great after I came.
— #hashtagslacktivist (@zaiger) September 1, 2014
They look like this notice on Reddit, where the nude photographs are being shared without any consequences, forbidding anyone from posting information about the people who leaked the photographs.
And these are just a few small samples. If you need more evidence of how disgusting people are being, feel free to search for “Jennifer Lawrence” on twitter and take a quick gander at how many people are blaming her for being the victim of a crime, or else celebrating the fact that they have access to pictures of her that she had intended to keep private. Many people are doing both in the same fucking tweet, because that’s the world we live in. Because it’s fine to participate in a sex crime as long as you think it was the victim’s fault. Because women are just never careful enough, and they deserve whatever’s coming to them. After all, that’s the real message here, isn’t it?
From: http://bellejar.ca/2014/09/02/what-happened-to-jennifer-lawrence-was-sexual-assault/
Just another perspective.
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I agree with the first part about the hackers being terrible people, but to say that those who've seen the pictures are sex offenders is ridiculous. Overall you sound like an apologist taking the safe side of a controversial topic.
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Having to wear clothes for thousands of years so that we unconsciously link seeing these secret body parts with arousal and time to make ficky-fick was a sex offence.
Who can be blamed?
Who can be blamed?
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show us your willy, tiger. or perhaps you arent in the mood?
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I think there's as many women as men viewing these pictures, now I know that its possible to work sumersaults of logic and rationalise this as ALL part of the great patriarchal conspiracy but I think that'd be mistaken.
This is about new technology, boundaries, the private and personal versus the public or celebrity sphere of life, things like that.
The whole business about objectifying, and in the process dehumanising, people is a little more complex when possessing and selling a persona as an object is someones stock in trade, I dont believe you could say that this is a male vs. female business anymore either.
This is about new technology, boundaries, the private and personal versus the public or celebrity sphere of life, things like that.
The whole business about objectifying, and in the process dehumanising, people is a little more complex when possessing and selling a persona as an object is someones stock in trade, I dont believe you could say that this is a male vs. female business anymore either.
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Everyone just go about their lives while naked. Imagine people sitting naked in their cubicle, while serving food, stocking shelves, playing sports, etc. .Only then will we realize how ridiculous we all look and how silly it is to make nudity such a big deal.
Natives in South America are still mostly naked as they go about their lives and the attractiveness of human bodies seem to dissipate when you have people of all ages going around naked. It seems silly to look at nudity in isolation
Natives in South America are still mostly naked as they go about their lives and the attractiveness of human bodies seem to dissipate when you have people of all ages going around naked. It seems silly to look at nudity in isolation
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No, I'm not...because it is in that context and I too have been conditioned this way.
However, in a situation where being naked is logical (like a sauna) I can be more comfortable with nudity around strangers.
My conditioning is strong, my fear too, but I still can congnitively acknowledge that it is not in my best interests to feel this way about my own body.
There is also apparently a much more profound experience of sex possible than that of lust generated by visual stimuli yet it is much more difficult to achieve because it is also best done whilst naked and so this lust must be transcended or reconciled (in theory, unnecessarily) to have this 'higher' experience.
Naturism does appeal to me but the collective mindframe is relevant. It would be unwise to practice naturism with a group of rapists who aren't especially picky, for example.
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well thats just your personal opinion. these ideas about conditioning should not apply to others preferences for what happens to images of their bodies, who views those images, and how those images are used. ideas about the history or enculturation of sexuality are not ideas that everyone should be expected to conform to. people own their own bodies, and if they dont want others viewing their bodies, then they shouldnt have to explain why they dont want that. they shouldnt have to justify themselves against standards of what other people believe is "natural", or any other standard of what other people believe about human bodies either. it is trivialising the complexity of individual beliefs about owned bodies to suggest that feelings of privacy about bodies are merely due to their owners indoctrination into culture. it is their body and it is their decision. if you dont agree with this, then please go ahead and send me a picture of your penis, which i will enjoy aesthetically only, in complete removal from my own sexuality. of course, even if you do, this still will not prove that people are not entitled to their own feelings about the privacy of their bodies.