Media honesty

Reason said:
In order to find out about that you'll have to expand your sources and watch people whose opinions you disagree with. Which is quite a challenge.
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Believe me, I've tried. I watched Tim Poole, Steven Crowder, Ben Shapiro, Alex Jones, David Icke, etc. I just can't get on the Trump-train because ultimately, these guys are entertainers and not sociologists.

I'll admit though, I rank educated people higher with respect to subject matter. That's a bias I definitely have. I prefer to listen to people with higher-educations in the subjects they discuss. That said, if the majority of their peers with expertise (often PhDs) disagree with them, they're probably wrong with respect to their field of experience.

On the political spectrum, I'd probably be considered centrist, maybe even center-right by European standards with respect to economic policy.

How are the Democrats far-left in terms of proposed policies?
 
Pin said:
Believe me, I've tried. I watched Tim Poole, Steven Crowder, Ben Shapiro, Alex Jones, David Icke, etc. I just can't get on the Trump-train because ultimately, these guys are entertainers and not sociologists.

I'll admit though, I rank educated people higher with respect to subject matter. That's a bias I definitely have. I prefer to listen to people with higher-educations in the subjects they discuss. That said, if the majority of their peers with expertise (often PhDs) disagree with them, they're probably wrong with respect to their field of experience.
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You must have torn through Steve Turley (PhD, Durham University)'s videos then. But maybe he doesn't count for politics in your eyes I believe his background is classical studies or history of ancient Greece or something like that.
 
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You must have torn through Steve Turley (PhD, Durham University)'s videos then. But maybe he doesn't count for politics in your eyes I believe his background is classical studies or history of ancient Greece or something like that.
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I will check him out, my presumption is that I'm going to run into a lot of ancient references.
 
Pin said:
The establishment, which largely consists of the Nancy Pelsoi wing of the party. In other words, the center-right branch.
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I don't know if they are radically left wing I think they're trying to court the leftists for some extra votes but don't really have much interest in delivering on any of those promises.
 
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Reason said:
I don't know if they are radically left wing I think they're trying to court the leftists for some extra votes but don't really have much interest in delivering on any of those promises.
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I would still describe them as the left though because of this enabling they do.
 
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I don't know if they are radically left wing I think they're trying to court the leftists for some extra votes but don't really have much interest in delivering on any of those promises.
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Absolutely, they accept money from corporations, industries, and people whom they publicly denounce to court uninformed voters.

The differences between them and the Republican Party are largely rhetorical.
 
Pin said:
Absolutely, they accept money from corporations, industries, and people whom they publicly denounce.

The differences between them and the Republican Party are largely rhetorical.
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With the exception of Trump's faction in the Republican party and a few rogue Democrats I agree.
 
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Reason said:
With the exception of Trump's faction in the Republican party and a few rogue Democrats I agree.
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Keep in mind, the parties differ more greatly in terms of proposed policy at the state and local level. At the national level, the establishment-wings of both parties aren't very different in practice.
 
@Pin I have a hard time describing the Pelosi and Mitt Romney wings of the major party as part of the political spectrum

Center-left, Center-right, etc.

To me they're just 90 percent pure corruption lol.

It's not even about political alignment at that point it's just saying whatever you need to get elected, making token progress on some issues, bashing opponents and collecting speaking fees until you're rich.
 
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@Pin I have a hard time describing the Pelosi and Mitt Romney wings of the major party as part of the political spectrum

Center-left, Center-right, etc.

To me they're just 90 percent pure corruption lol.

It's not even about political alignment at that point it's just saying whatever you need to get elected, making token progress on some issues, bashing opponents and collecting speaking fees until you're rich.
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You're not wrong, I would consider the proposed policies of both parties establishments to be center-right. However, the issue with Republicans is that we don't often get tangible policy prescriptions from people like Mitch Mcconnell.

I'd consider someone like Bernie Sanders or AOC to be center-left with respect to economic policies. Basically, they're pretending to be socialist but in reality their policies aren't controversial in Europe.
 
Pin said:
You're not wrong, I would consider the proposed policies of both parties establishments to be center-right. However, the issue with Republicans is that we don't often get tangible policy prescriptions from people like Mitch Mcconnell.

I'd consider someone like Bernie Sanders or AOC to be center-left with respect to economic policies. Basically, they're pretending to be socialist.
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I don't think AOC is pretending, but as for Bernie it's hard for me to look at his 2 or 3 mansions and take him seriously about wealth redistribution.
 
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I don't think AOC is pretending, but as for Bernie it's hard for me to look at his 2 or 3 mansions and take him seriously about wealth redistribution.
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Bernie calls himself a socialist when he's really a European-style Social-Democrat no different than Macron in terms of policy.

AOC talks the same Social-Democrat talk but neither of these two politicians are interested in seizing the means of production and forming a "Dictatorship of the Proletariat," to quote Marx.

As soon as the United States accomplishes universal healthcare coverage they're not going to push any further left economically-speaking.

They're not Socialists, Marxists, or Communists in ideological terms or policy prescriptions.
 
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