I mean he tells some people what some people want to hear. For example: the way you go on and on about it here, he certainly seems to be pretty good at telling you what you want to hear,
Yeah but you keep talking to me...which suggests to me that on some level you're interested
Others rep me or give a thumbs up, which shows they're interested
If you actually go on Ike's website you will see that he posts what many other people are saying. He gives voice to many other people. So its not that 'he' is telling people what they want to hear, it is that he is posting things that support what many of us already know. For those that don't already know but are looking for answers the material he posts helps them to see what is really going on
Its a hard process man....coming to terms with the fact your government is lying to you and that the mainstream media isnt telling you the truth....its alienating....so it really helps when you hear someone else can also see what you see. It sustains people and drives them on; that is why there is a momentum of shifting perception developing....everyone is sharing what they know online
If you actually check out his site you will see that it is not all 'reptillians' and 'illuminati' you will see that he is posting information on a whole range of subjects from a whole range of sources
One of the great things about the internet is that it has allowed an alternative media to develop which can give people information that the corporate controlled media won't give them. Ike is part of that alternative media. Even this forum is part of that alternative media as it is getting views across that won't be found in the corporate dominated media
I read a variety of media from a variety of viewpoints and i think that is a good strategy to cross check information
There are growing numbers of people who are beginning to question if their countries are being governed properly and how it is that certain groups have managed to subvert the democratic system the way that they have...now is the time for people to speak up and share info.
Its all about knowledge....knowledge is power. The elite have always hoarded knowledge to keep an information assymetry. People like Ike are helping to shrink that knowledge gap
and it's not like there's a shortage of conspiracy nuts all over the Internet.
There's all sorts of information on the internet. It varies in quality
But I think it would be foolish to call anyone who is questioning the official government line a 'conspiracy nut'
There are always people who get information into the public sphere that exposes what is really going on in the corridors of power whether it is a Daniel Ellsberg, a Dr Kelly or an Assange.....the likes of RT, Ike and Alex Jones are actually fed information by inside people who want to leak information into the public sphere but are afraid to do it themselves for fear of persecution, ridicule or losing their job; so
they provide a useful function as spokespeople because they have a platform
And then there's always the kind of people who enjoy freakshows and consider the guy to be an amusingly ironic alternative to the bad singers on American Idol or a screening of The Room. As long as you're attracting enough niche markets, you don't need to worry about the mainstream… as a marketing strategy, it isn't so difficult to understand.
Lol if he is only saying what he is saying as part of a 'marketing strategy' then in doing so he is helping to switch a lot of people on to all sorts of things....so marketing or not i hope he keeps doing it because he is really helping to open peoples eyes
Alex Jones did a number of years ago accuse David Ike of damaging the credibility of people who were trying to draw public atention to things like the Bilderberg group, bohemian grove, the council on foreign relations, for talking about things in a new agey kind of way and of talking about things like reptillians but i've noticed that Jones has actually drifted more towards what Ike is saying and the reason for this is because he has found out things that have broadened his mind even though he knows it will be a hard sell to his usual listeners
When you scrape beneath the surface of society there are secret societies and there are people doing things that would blow your mind
LOL-- yes, just because I think that most people prefer (or think they prefer) the opportunities and privileges that wealth provides to middle/lower class living, it means that I personally am obsessed with being rich.
Are you rich? Were you born into wealth?
You don't think that people get bitter because they're not as rich as someone else?
I think most people are ok in life as long as they can afford certain things for example a roof over their head, food in their belly, transport, and a holiday or two every year. The problems come when these things come under attack as they have since the credit crunch
Have you noticed how many 'for sale' signs there are on every street these days?
You don't think people feel entitled to things that they haven't earned?
No i think most people expect a reasonable reward for a reasonable days work
You don't think that some people are dying to feel justified? To feel more in control/powerful than they really are?
I think most people really don't bother that much about politics or economics until they feel those things are affecting their life then they tend to engage with them more
Most people are not clamouring for power no. What they do want is security
You don't think it feels good to say 'I'm awake and you're not'? To feel like you're spreading 'truth' and doing a 'good' thing, even when you're actually not doing anything except verbally masturbating in public? All of these things are emotionally-driven, impulsive behaviors that hold tremendous appeal for a certain kind of personality.
I think you could use that argument against anyone who speaks out. You could say that to Ghandi or to Martin Luther king or anyone who ever tries to make the world a better place. I think the key thing is are the people who are speaking out practicing what they preach? Looking at Ike i'd say he's doing as much as he can to change things; does h get a kick out of it? He probably does, but I don't think its a bad thing to feel good that you are trying play a part (however big or small) in bringing about positive change
Far from ike just wanting to shine I think he would far prefer it if people really did see what is going on and then take action
What i have noticed is that there are some people who feel deeply threatened by this subject matter. It is because they are comfortable (-ish) in their current reality. A prime example is the post i posted earlier which shows the graphs which show how the public perceive the nations wealth to be distributed and how the wealth actually is distributed.
Their current perception does not match reality
So why is this a problem if they are comfortable in that reality? Its a problem because as the economic climate changes they are no longer comfortable and also because for as long as they stay in that false perception of reality they are doing nothing to try and improve things. Because they are doing nothing the process that is moving the wealth away from them is continuing and is making them poorer and life tougher
The situation will not improve until people shift their perception to match reality. This happens by people growing more aware and that happens by the sharing of information. We have all had our perceptions evolved and it is an ongoing process. For example we no longer believe in the tooth fairy because we learned from others that it wasn't true
Sure you can accuse the person who told you that the tooth fairy isn't true of emotional masturbation but the most important thing is that perception got evolved so you weren't being hoodwinked anymore.
If someone teaches or tells you something you don't know you can't always right it off as emotional masturbation. If we all did that then everyone would be afraid to open their mouths and no one would learn anything. This would make the job of the elites much easier and they would take even more wealth away from people
The point Ike makes towards the end of the video i posted above is that there are people out there who are currently stealing the nations wealth but instead of criticising those people, some people (like you) are instead criticising the people who are pointing this out (like Ike). This is i believe as i've said already because it is creating cognitive dissonance in the person learning this new information and instead of assimilating the information and changing their life accordingly they instead lash out at the source of the new information
Instead of criticising Ike people would be better doing something pro-active for example moving their money out of the banks that have been involved in the banking scandals and the credit crunch and putting it instead in a community credit union. But they don't want to do that because its easier to keep supporting the bankers financially and instead insult the activists (ie adopt the bury their head in the sand approach...'lalalalalla i'm not listening.....lalalalal...the bankers aren't taking our money....lallalalala.....Ike is an emotional masterbator.....lalalalala......the government loves me and wouldn't lie to me.......lalalalalala....anyone who tells me otherwise is doing it for thrills and doesn't really care about the world.....lalalalalalala)
No i think that the bankers bribed politicians
You've changed your tune!
We've had many debates where i have been trying to convince you of that! So you see all this spreading awareness stuff does work! Its messy and people will hate you for it but when a critical mass of people 'get it' then change happens for example the new political party gaining ground in italy (the five star movement) which is threatening corporate dominance of politics
Whatever you feel about the motives of people spreading the truth the reality remains that it needs to happen if the world is going to improve
I've had people take sledge hammers to my perceptions but like them or loath them in the grand scheme it's always for the best
And I'm pretty sure that if I were interested in making a huge fortune, I would be doing something much riskier than I am now. I wouldn't be sitting here talking to you, that's for sure. Most new fortunes are made by people who take risks… there's hard work involved, but you also need opportunities, the ability to recognize those opportunities, and luck.
You say 'huge' fortune. Do you have a fortune?
Ironically enough, Icke did the same thing-- he took a risk and ended up wealthy. He could have faded into total obscurity or been committed, but instead he's making a fortune selling conspiracies to people who need to believe that their life situation isn't their own fault. The middle/lower classes are NOT perfect saintly beings who only yearn selflessly for peace and equality among all humans… most of them are where they are because that's what they aimed for from the beginning, and then after they finished school and went on to adulthood, they got upset because they realized that other people have more than they do.
No they got upset because the things they believed they earned through all their study/training and work such as a mortage, a car, education for their kids, good health care, a stable society, a secure job etc was all damaged and/or threatened by the banking crisis caused by the bankers and the corrupt politicians
As for Ike selling 'conspiracies'.....if they're true then that's something that many want to know about and arguably something people SHOULD know about
In theory, this should motivate them to do something else or try new things and work harder to realize their dreams… but instead they have their friend David Icke, who tells these people that their life situation isn't their fault, that they're being oppressed by evil overlords, that they're righteous and good and need to stand up for themselves on behalf of everything that's decent about our species, and wreck everything that has been built around them. It's an attempt to find dignity in the lower echelons of the socioeconomic hierarchy, which I can completely empathize with but at the same time reject because it's only really necessary if you buy into the hierarchy in the first place.
This contradicts what you said earlier that he is trying to remove responsibility from them. This is patently false as he encourages people to rise up and do something to improve their society. As he says: 'walk the walk or shut the fuck up'
I don't really know enough about this to comment, but I will say that just because he gets some things right, it doesn't mean that he's a credible source of information. Psychics know that if they predict disaster and it doesn't happen, they'll be forgotten… but if they get it right, people will believe that they're genuine. It's the reason why so many economists made a fortune on book sales after they predicted the housing crash-- even though they believe completely different things about the economy, people buy their books and tout them as quasi-prophets because they were right about this one extremely important thing. It's because people are more superstitious than they let on, and some people realize that if you get one big important prediction right, they're willing to overlook the 3000 you got wrong.
No if you know what the agenda of the elite is, then you know what they're going to do next.
Feed information from a number of sources into your intuition (listening to people who are ahead of the curve...and by that i mean people who understand what the underlying causes of things are really helps) and then let it do its thing
