You assume that all of the evidence you give is correlated. To me it isn't. Some of it might be, but certainly not all of it.
That's only because you don't have enough information yet
Because you don't know what i know you assume that i assume but i'm not assuming i know and i'm telling and i will keep posting information to prove it so please stop with the 'assuming' comments because they bog down the flow of information as i have to respond to them instead of posting evidence
Just relax, sit back and i will put the information over
What about US bombing IS targets? You assume that that's just a ploy? You assume that the weapon airdrop that "accidently" was dropped to IS instead of anti-IS rebels was on purpose? You assume too much.
No i don't assume.
John Mccain was sent over to syria to arm and fund what the US administration called 'moderate rebels' but these groups became ISIS
This is how US hardware flows into the hands of ISIS
What ISIS is doing is pumping cheap oil; this is largely about oil
There is a group called 'OPEC' who are a group of oil producing countries. The group formed as a way to arrange prices for their oil in a way that would get the member countries the best deal on their oil from their western buyers like the US
The US got round this by threatening one of the countries (saudi arabia) with invasion if it did not produce cheap oil. The saudi royal family made a deal with the US that if the US protected the house of saud from its many enemies it would pump oil cheaply. This is why there is so much poverty in saudi arabia because the royal family sell their oil cheap and keep the profits for themselves
This is why there is anger towards the US in the middle east because the US prop up corrupt royal families and prevent democracy from occuring. They don't just do this in saudi arabia they do it in jordan, qatar, bahrain and so on (ie the 'gulf state monarchies')
So you see the world is disgusted with american (US) hypocrisy as it tells its own people that it is the champion of 'democracy' while in reality it has throughout the cold war been blocking democracy and instead supporting facism and corporate power around the globe; this has led many to see the US as the 'great satan'
So going back to OPEC....within OPEC there are countries that are independent of US control. These you could call 'nationalist'. They are what are called 'price hawks' because they want OPEC to arrange good prices for their oil so that they can have money to invest into their countries infrastructure in order to help their people.
Then there are the countries in which the US has managed to corrupt the leadership like saudi arabia; these countries are 'price doves' which is to say they want to pump cheap oil for their american masters thereby leaving their people in poverty
So what the US does is it threatens the nationalist countries like Iraq and if they do not sell their oil cheaply the US invades them and steals the oil and to spite them for their resistance to american dominance they bomb their infrastructure back generations (see 'shock and awe')
In the case of Iraq the US gave one of their client states Kuweit some slant drilling technology which it then used to drill under the border of their neighbour iraq; they then began stealing iraqs oil and selling it cheaply. This was destroying the iraqi economy because iraq had to drop the prices of its oil to compete
Iraq out of desperation approached the US and asked if it could invade kuwiet to stop the oil theft. The US said it was none of their business so iraq went into kuweit but it was a trap because as soon as they went there the US then demonised them in the media and said they were committing atrocities in kuweit and started trying to build a coalition of the willing to invade iraq (which has massive oil reserves under it)
A woman who said she was a kuweiti nurse stood in front of the US congress and gave a tearful speech in which she said that the iraqis were taking kuwieti babies out of incubators in the hospitals. This then galvanised the US public behind a war of invasion. But later on it became known that the woman was not a nurse at all and was in fact the daughter of the kuweiti ambassador to the US!!!!!!
Lies, lies and more lies
The second time they invaded Iraq they did so claiming iraq had 'weapons of mass destruction' when it didn't and that saddam was linked to 911 when he wasn't
Lies, lies and more lies
[video=youtube;nE2SdF1fN4s]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nE2SdF1fN4s[/video]
So getting back to ISIS....they tried before ISIS existed to blame Assad for a gas attack on his own people but later this was shown to be a lie and that the gas was fired by the rebels
Lies, lies and more lies
The globalist New York Times retracted its story in which it had tried to blame Assad
Polls showed the US and UK public were not willing to go to war in syria and the british parliament voted against it so the globalists needed a new plan which is what then led to the funding, arming and training of 'ISIS'
Before i discuss that i want to mention that the people behind the four biggest banks also own the 4 biggest oil companies. For example the rockefeller family owned chase manhatten bank and they also owned standard oil
These are the people behind the constant push for wars because their oil companies benfit (war needs oil) and their banks benefit (war needs war loans)
Article by canadian journalist dean henderson titled 'nationalise the 4 horsemen' (thats the name he gives to the 4 biggest banks and oil companies):
http://hendersonlefthook.wordpress.com/2014/10/12/nationalize-the-four-horsemen/
No i know it
I have sifted through more information then you would believe
I know what you mean. But by that definition we're all at all times brainwashed. With this definition the word brainwashed loses its meaning as someone cannot be not-brainwashed.
We are conditioned from birth to see the world through the lens of our culture, our nationality, our religion and so on
It is not an exageration to call it 'brainwashing' because the people at the top of all the institutions know they are all artifical constructs
For example you were brainwashed by mainstream media at first but have been rebrainwashed by conspiracy theorists. You're still brainwashed.
Lol
Not if the 'theories' are true
The truth is the truth, lies are lies
The claim that mainstream media brainwash our minds is thus necessarily true and doesn't mean anything. Small and independent media also brainwash us, but just not so much because they're small.
No by 'brainwashing' i'm speaking about creating false perceptions of reality, like when you were told santa claus exists
I believe you, but source?
You are allowed to do some of your own research you know; you do have access to the internet!
But to pick soemthing at random:
http://sociologicalimagination.org/archives/15714
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/8566789/David-Kelly-timeline.html
Weird case. It hints to corruption or at least cover-ups to start the Iraq war. It now turns out that there were no WMD. That's a clear now. But can't it just be that? Bush administration having ulterior motives to start war? Why must you assume it's related to all the other evidence you give. You assume too much.
Ok so who are the bush's?
They are all members of the secret society the skull and bones. They have business links to the rockefellers as well as pro-nazi industrialist families such as the thyssens; here have a look at prescott bush's wikipedia page for example:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prescott_Bush
When you really research into these people you see they are all connected and that they are the puppet masters behind events and that they are working together
So for exmaple i mentioned the rockefellers earlier on. The head of their family is david rockefeller
He was a chairman of the CFR and he set up the trilateral commission and the club of rome.
This is what he wrote in his own memoirs p 405:
''Some even believe we [Rockefeller family] are part of a secret cabal working against the best interests of the United States, characterizing my family and me as 'internationalists' and of conspiring with others around the world to build a more integrated global political and economic structure - One World, if you will.If that's the charge, I stand guilty, and I am proud of it'' - David Rockefeller
What does this have to do with creating a new world order? You're just bringing up something (probably very unethical) that has nothing to do with NWO. You use it to discredit the BBC. Or was Jimmy Saville a prominent globalist? You assume too much.
I don't assume anything i just know more about how things connect up then you do
It seems unrelated to you because you don't yet have enough information
Saville was a procurer of children for powerful people. Despite his activities being known about in the BBC (interviews with people at that time like johnny rotten reveal as much and people since have adimtted they knew) and despite the intelligence services and the police being informed about him he was given an OBE by the queen and later knighted; he was also knighted by the pope
The vatican is within the vatican city which is its own legal enclave seperate from Italy. The vatican is the religious heart of the new world order
The City of London is a square mile of the banking district within the wider city of london. It is its own legal enclave seperate from the rest of the UK. It is protected from the UK police and has its own police force. It is the financial heart of the new world order
The city of washington district of colombia is its own legal enclave seperate from the rest of the US. It houses the intelligence community and the HQ of the scottish rite of freemasonry. It is the administrative heart of the New World Order
If I'd want to rule the media as CFR I'd divide and conquer not merge and get overthrown. If I was in the CFR and I wanted to control the media, I'd prefer to keep the media weak. Controlling something weak is easier than controlling something that's strong. To me this is evidence against your claim.
Thats because you fail to understand what the media is
The media is one of the major channels of information to the minds of the public. If you control the flow of information then you control what they think. You can even convince them that the truth is 'conspiracy theory'!
These guys are controlling things from the top. If you want to control things then you need to centralise everything including the government, banking and media so that you can then control it all from a central point
Imagine society as a pyramid. The public form the base of the pyramid. They don't really know that much about whats going on and they don't steer the pyramid. Higher up the pyramid you might have the media who know a bit more about whats going on but they are still frozen out of steering things. Above them you have the corporations who know all about the flows of wealth and resources and they are activily involved in steering things. Above them are the intelligence services who in turn manipulate the business community and the media. Above the intelligence services are the familes who run the banking and oil industries. They are involved in intelligence, business and own media
I didn't mention government because they aren't that important if they are not acting independently. If they are controlled by the corporations, the intelligenece services and banking industry then they are really just an extension of the media and they work closely with the media to manage the perceptions of the public (politics is often described as 'show business for ugly people')
Under their system of central control all models of organisations take on the pyramidal form with orders coming from the top down to the subordinate employees below (the 'chain of command')
To control every person in the chain of command you only have to control the top of the pyramid and it all flows down from there; heck the people at the bottom don't even know why they are doing the things they are being told to do!
Its the same with the military which is another oyramidal hierarchy hence the old joke about soldeirs being like mushrooms: they're kept in the dark and fed on shit
I don't understand you here. I'm saying we cannot validate either video. If it's on youtube, it's not original footage.
I watched the original footage
The BBC has archives. If you went to the right lengths you would be able to verify the footage. RT would lose all credibility if it lied; they don't need to lie as there is already so much damning evidence against the BBC
Actually they're from all over Europe too. Muslim extremists (sometimes even teenagers) that support radical Islam ideas that are practised by IS. Are those hundreds of youngsters from European countries hired by globalists?
It goes back to the pyramid idea again
The people at the top of the pyramid know whats going on. The people at the bottom...the footsoldiers probably believe they are waging genuine jihad
The people at the bottom of the pyramid are the 'useful idiots' or the 'unwitting dupes'. Kissinger described US american soldiers as dumb animals to be used as pawns in the games of powerful men
Secret societies call people who are not initiated into their ranks: the 'profane'
You are either in the know or you aren't. You are either a player or you are being played
Are they fake ploys to make it seem more realistic? You assume all individual actions are orchistrated by globalists. You assume too much.
One of the best areas to look into to understand how this works is the underground NATO stay behind armies that were left in europe after world war 2
This was called 'operation gladio' by the CIA. The aim of these groups was to commit terrorist attacks in order to frighten the public so that the government could then implement more draconian laws with which to control the public
In the wake of 911 came a raft of new laws which stripped away the rights and freedoms of the US public such as the 'patriot act' and the 'NDAA'
Have a look at the declassified CIA 'operation northwood' under which the CIA planned to commit terrorist attacks in the US to justify various things.
The gulf of tonkin incident was a naval battle off the coast of vietnam which never happened! We now know it didn't happen but the US government used this imaginary event to justify an invasion of Vietnam. When the president told the US public they were going to war he did not tell them that they were already involved in covert special ops within vietnam and flying military flights there!
This is called a 'false flag' attack by the intelligence community. Hitler did this to take power in germany when he got his agents to burn down the parliament building and blame it on the communists. The british spymaster cecil did this when he stitched up the catholics in the gunpowder plot
The globalists behind the corporatocracy have had many names throughout history. For example they have been called the 'money trust', the 'military industrial complex', the 'communist conspiracy', the 'power elite', the 'milner group', the 'round table group' and even the 'illuminati' but they are all names for the same cabal of intermarried families
Here's president eisenhower in his farewell speech to the US public warning them about the rise in the influence of what he called the 'military industrial complex'
[video=youtube;8y06NSBBRtY]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8y06NSBBRtY[/video]
They've tried plenty. It seems just that one half of the people are against him and the other half in his support. Or maybe aliens have invisibly kept one side from winning. I really don't know. You assume globalists are the cause. You assume too much.
I don't assume anything... keep one foot on the ground and look at the information
Doh, he leaked US secrets and is now in a country that's not allied to the US. Pretty simple explanation. You assume too much. I asked why he didn't leak any information proving that they've started conflicts in Africa or Middle-East.
He leaked what information he was able to access but not all the information he took has been shown yet.
Snowden fled to countries outside the NATO alliance. Assange is held up in the ecuadorian embassy in london because ecuador currently has a government that are non NATO aligned
NATO are merely the military wing of the new world order
What the NATO countries all have in common is that they all have a central bank controlled by the rothschilds which are all in turn controlled from the central bank of central banks the 'Bank for International settlements' (BIS) in switzerland
I'm afraid I'm too brainwashed to see it like you. I believe my trait is common sense and you (in general conspiracy thinkers) probably believe I'm ignorant or blind.
if you had to google 'globalist' them i'm afraid you're understanding is very limited but the information is out there for those that can handle it
I follow the theory of Occam's razor. That's probably why conspiracy thinking isn't for me.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occam's_razor
You have missunderstood occams razor
Occams razor states that the truth is likely to be that which the available information points to
But you don't have all the availabale information
I have more information then you so when i use occams razor i find that there is a group of powerful people operating through the CFR and its sister body in the UK (chatham house) who want to control society in order to protect their large personal fortunes. This is not unusual...history is full of it so i don't know why you would think now is any different!!!!
Could you give me an example of an article or writing about a conspiracy theory (whether factual or fake) that includes a discussion section (like most scientific papers have at the end)? One that's modest. One that's also open to other explanations instead of just assuming only
one truth.
http://web.clas.ufl.edu/users/msscha/ThesisCSS/thesis_disc.html
That's too vague
if there is a specific area you are interested in then i'll find you some info on it