Quantum Energy Generator (QEG) based on a Tesla patent for free energy

sprinkles said:
What's stopping you from building one then?
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Absolutely nothing. I'll see if I can make on at the weekend and get back to you.

The problem with this though is that it looks like making one that actually produces a useful amount of energy may be impractical for an individual. A meaty enough magnet for a big one will probably be expensive and the whole setup would be rather large. Not to mention extremely dangerous. Electrocution, chopped in half by fan blade, crushed by magnet, burned alive in electrical fire. Take your pick
 
Poetic Justice said:
Absolutely nothing. I'll see if I can make on at the weekend and get back to you.

The problem with this though is that it looks like making one that actually produces a useful amount of energy may be impractical for an individual. A meaty enough magnet for a big one will probably be expensive and the whole setup would be rather large. Not to mention extremely dangerous. Electrocution, chopped in half by fan blade, crushed by magnet, burned alive in electrical fire. Take your pick
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It's supposed to take like 1kw of power and turn it into 10kw so that it runs off itself. Anything that does that is worth the risk and you don't need a big one because it produces enough power to compensate a conventional motor.

If the QEG works you wouldn't need to use it as the main power generator. It would be better off supplementing a larger conventional generator which could produce a lot of power safely because similar to how the QEG supposedly uses the main grid to bootstrap it and increase its power by 10x, it could do the same for a conventional flywheel generator. It's how like when you get a bicycle up to speed it becomes easy to pedal - you'd only need to offload that small power requirement to the QEG to make a large perpetual conventional generator.
 
As early as 2003, in California, energy companies were pushing for charges on rooftop solar installations. They were using their economic power to remain oligopolies in the energy market. The spread of independent energy sources threatens their livelihood. http://www.alternet.org/story/15263/energy_monopolies_attack_solar_power

This continued in Arizona in 2013 ... http://www.alternet.org/environment/rooftop-solar-rise-us-utilities-are-striking-back

... and Indiana in 2015. http://www.alternet.org/yet-another-state-threatens-penalize-solar-power-users

QEG is even worse because it not is only an economic threat, it raises questions concerning the integrity of mainstream science.
 
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ImaginaryBloke said:
As early as 2003, in California, energy companies were pushing for charges on rooftop solar installations. They were using their economic power to remain oligopolies in the energy market. The spread of independent energy sources threatens their livelihood. http://www.alternet.org/story/15263/energy_monopolies_attack_solar_power

This continued in Arizona in 2013 ... http://www.alternet.org/environment/rooftop-solar-rise-us-utilities-are-striking-back

... and Indiana in 2015. http://www.alternet.org/yet-another-state-threatens-penalize-solar-power-users

QEG is even worse because it not is only an economic threat, it raises questions on the truthfulness of mainstream science.
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The main reason they want to regulate solar power is because of people using it on the grid and uploading their surplus power which the power company ends up paying for.
 
sprinkles said:
The main reason they want to regulate solar power is because of people using it on the grid and uploading their surplus power which the power company ends up paying for.
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My guess is that you're getting less money for the same energy you would otherwise spend to consume. So that would still be a win for the power company. So the real reason, or the primary reason is that you're not spending to begin with.
 
sprinkles said:
There are some amazing devices that consume next to no energy, such as solar sails, kinetic energy recovery systems, and magnetic bearing flywheels.

If something could produce energy for nothing, SOMEBODY would be using it. And if there's such a conspiracy as to stop anyone from using it then what good is it since it basically can't be used?
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I am not suggesting you can create energy from nothing. This quantum drive thing is clearly bs. Read just a couple paragraphs in and it shows that pretty clearly.
What I am suggesting though is collecting energy that is already there and does not have to be created. As an example imagine being able to turn cosmic rays into usable energy for us. The universe is full of it, its not going away anytime soon and we dont have to create it. Its not making energy but it is free
 
ruji said:
My guess is that you're getting less money for the same energy you would otherwise spend to consume. So that would still be a win for the power company. So the real reason, or the primary reason is that you're not spending to begin with.
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It's not a win for them because they're making almost nothing off grid usage when customers upload power. If you upload power they have to buy it from you and then sell it to somebody else which is basically zero sum, then throw in grid maintenance which they have to pay and it could even be a loss.

Even if they pay you less instead of what the power is worth they are still losing because they'd get more if they just sold their own power.

It's like somebody doing your job without your permission and you're forced to pay them.
 
sprinkles said:
It's not a win for them because they're making almost nothing off grid usage when customers upload power. If you upload power they have to buy it from you and then sell it to somebody else which is basically zero sum, then throw in grid maintenance which they have to pay and it could even be a loss.

Even if they pay you less instead of what the power is worth they are still losing because they'd get more if they just sold their own power.

It's like somebody doing your job without your permission and you're forced to pay them.
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:)
 
Eventhorizon said:
I am not suggesting you can create energy from nothing. This quantum drive thing is clearly bs. Read just a couple paragraphs in and it shows that pretty clearly.
What I am suggesting though is collecting energy that is already there and does not have to be created. As an example imagine being able to turn cosmic rays into usable energy for us. The universe is full of it, its not going away anytime soon and we dont have to create it. Its not making energy but it is free
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We can already do stuff like that. The problem is that it has to be done in orbit. A solar sail generator could produce a lot of power - a large one could produce billions of GW. What we don't know how to do yet is beam that power back to earth.
 
sprinkles said:
We can already do stuff like that. The problem is that it has to be done in orbit. A solar sail generator could produce a lot of power - a large one could produce billions of GW. What we don't know how to do yet is beam that power back to earth.
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Just so long as it doesn't block my sunlight. ..
 
sprinkles said:
It's not a win for them because they're making almost nothing off grid usage when customers upload power. If you upload power they have to buy it from you and then sell it to somebody else which is basically zero sum, then throw in grid maintenance which they have to pay and it could even be a loss.

Even if they pay you less instead of what the power is worth they are still losing because they'd get more if they just sold their own power.

It's like somebody doing your job without your permission and you're forced to pay them.
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Or maybe it's like someone doing one of the thousands of tasks you are self-employed. And you outsource one of them for a lot less money then you would otherwise pay an American.
 
ruji said:
Or maybe it's like someone doing one of the thousands of tasks you are self-employed. And you outsource one of them for a lot less money then you would otherwise pay an American.
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If the power company wanted outsourcing, they wouldn't be charging exit fees for uploaded power.
 
ruji said:
IDK what that means, but it sounds like you're saying they're pieces of shit, which I am not arguing against.
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California power was trying to hike prices for solar users who are connected to the grid, and they also wanted an exit fee to discourage them from disconnecting.
 
sprinkles said:
California power was trying to hike prices for solar users who are connected to the grid, and they also wanted an exit fee to discourage them from disconnecting.
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All you had to do is say California.
Aholes of America. I dont know what that makes Detroit. ..cancer probably.
 
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http://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...uch-solar-energy-it-s-giving-it-away-for-free

http://www.alternet.org/environment...solar-energy-its-giving-electricity-away-free​



Solar power is now for free in Chile during some hours of the day. The country's electrical grids in the North and South are not connected, so it only applies to the North at the moment.
 
sprinkles said:
The main reason they want to regulate solar power is because of people using it on the grid and uploading their surplus power which the power company ends up paying for.
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It costs the power company to compensate for peaks and lows in power consumption. The higher the swings the more they have to build 'faster' power plants as opposed to 'efficient' power plants than take a while to start and run a very long time to hand the baseline loads.

If people are putting power back on the grid when it needed the least, low loads, and then drawing power when the loads are high, these swings will get larger. If these people really do care about green energy and not just 'hating the power company' they would install battery systems that would act as a (emergency backup) as well as a reservoir of that extra power they stored. This would also stabilize the peaks and lows of power consumption even more because you are not using power during a peak period.

In other words, if the power company is going to store your energy for you just so that you can take it back later that night, you should pay a storage fee. Or buy the batteries and store it yourself.
 
Grayman said:
It costs the power company to compensate for peaks and lows in power consumption. The higher the swings the more they have to build 'faster' power plants as opposed to 'efficient' power plants than take a while to start and run a very long time to hand the baseline loads.

If people are putting power back on the grid when it needed the least, low loads, and then drawing power when the loads are high, these swings will get larger. If these people really do care about green energy and not just 'hating the power company' they would install battery systems that would act as a (emergency backup) as well as a reservoir of that extra power they stored. This would also stabilize the peaks and lows of power consumption even more because you are not using power during a peak period.

In other words, if the power company is going to store your energy for you just so that you can take it back later that night, you should pay a storage fee. Or buy the batteries and store it yourself.
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Flywheels need to start being a thing. They are already used in a couple places to isolate the grid from peak surges, load leveling and quick use storage. Some UPS systems are also starting to use flywheels instead of batteries.

With flywheels you only need to store energy as a mechanical force rather than electrical power, which makes them more simple and low maintenance and they don't use a bunch of chemicals. They are also good for storing a large amount of power to be used in a short burst so that it doesn't strain the power grid.

Flywheels would load balance the demand swings because they would store power when demand is low and give it back when demand is high and they can transition very quickly because they work on shaft power which is almost instantaneous.
 
I am probably the biggest proponent of free or close to free energy. But the guys who create the physical presence of whats needed to aquire the energy should be paid fairly.
 
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