Should we go to war with Russia to save the economy?

[dragulagu]

I'm sure there are other "reasons" people want to go to war in Russia and feel free to discuss them, but the fact remains that world war 2 definitely helped recover the economy. Can a war with Russia fix this COVID economy bubble we created and should we do it? I don't think we have a choice anyway (hope I'm wrong!) So how excited are you to go to war

Slant..what the hell..

 

[David Nelson]

Yes on the point of WW2 ‘saving’ the economy…we were helped by getting massively in debt to US govt.This debt took several decades to clear. Who made profits? Rich investors. Who paid the price…mainly the poor and working classes. How that is saving the economy baffles me. If we hadn’t had US help we would have failed massively. Also factor in rebuilding of many cities, the cost of war production. It’s almost as far from making economic sense as it could be, even putting aside the human cost which was massive.

The economy was also helped by a system of Democratic pluralism, something that has mostly been destroyed by the elites. If we went to war now this country would be screwed. We struggle to keep our dysfunctional and divided society going in peacetime let alone wartime. The sense of a nation all fighting together could not be repeated imo. We are too divided and people are less wet behind the ears, plus we have a more open press and technology etc. Also, we don’t have conscription, and I don’t think a govt could bring that back without a revolution.

 

[Roses In The Vineyard]

 

[David Nelson]

https://www.worldometers.info/world-population/

 

[David Nelson]

Yet the world population keeps going up!
Here’s my take on Jordan Peterson. He’s a great psychologist no doubt and pretty intelligent, and probably dispenses a lot of common sense to people he helps. His weakness is that he goes way beyond his specialist subject area. He’s politically naive, favouring the sort of political rhetoric of typical technocratic managers in the overclass. He uses classic oversimplification in his arguments and takes things to extremes as in the above clip. He goes from arguing that some think there are too many people to saying we should view humans as toxic to the Earth. It’s just silly polarising of arguments. Having too many of too few children is of course problematic, but he only talks about having none, and how silly that is.
Another silly one I’ve seen him do is when challenged with the issue of inequality, he just changes the frame of reference to say that the poor are way better off than they were 100 years ago and have things those people could only dream of (conflating 2 things). He’s all over the right wing playbook of individualism and capitalism are the only answers. He needs to read more politics books, or the right ones imo. He’s better than Ben Shapiro though ‍

 

[David Nelson]

He says sorting inequality is “unbelievably difficult to deal with” If he knew how actively the overclass has created the status quo, and seek to make the inequality even worse, he would know how foolish his statement was.

Jordan also said that predictions of mass migrations were silly. Well, hello, doesn’t he watch the news??!

He can’t be taken seriously on any politics imo. I wonder what his MBTI is. Can’t be INFJ imo. ENTP? Maybe.

 

[niar]

Totally read '' Should we go to Russia to save the economy?'' and was about to start practicing my slav squat and get another cat. Damn it.

 

[niar]

He says sorting inequality is “unbelievably difficult to deal with” If he knew how actively the overclass has created the status quo, and seek to make the inequality even worse, he would know how foolish his statement was.

Jordan also said that predictions of mass migrations were silly. Well, hello, doesn’t he watch the news??!

He can’t be taken seriously on any politics imo. I wonder what his MBTI is. Can’t be INFJ imo. ENTP? Maybe.

I don't think charlatanism is relevant to type.

 

[David Nelson]

I don't think charlatanism is relevant to type.

Probably not but worldview probably is. I can’t see an INFJ saying the things he says. One area I forgot to mention he is good is poking holes in radical? feminism and hypocrisy in that arena. He does have a lot of common sense imo and clear thinking. I actually tend to think he’s pretty sincere. Watch videos of him crying as he talks about God and Jesus. More misguided in some areas. I think he’s hard to type because he can be quite emotional and rational, which maybe is why some think he’s an INFJ, but to me he lacks depth of analysis in politics. He assumes too much. He is prepared to be controversial and highly authentic. Maybe ENFJ?

 

[Roses In The Vineyard]

Yet the world population keeps going up!
Here’s my take on Jordan Peterson. He’s a great psychologist no doubt and pretty intelligent, and probably dispenses a lot of common sense to people he helps. His weakness is that he goes way beyond his specialist subject area. He’s politically naive, favouring the sort of political rhetoric of typical technocratic managers in the overclass. He uses classic oversimplification in his arguments and takes things to extremes as in the above clip. He goes from arguing that some think there are too many people to saying we should view humans as toxic to the Earth. It’s just silly polarising of arguments. Having too many of too few children is of course problematic, but he only talks about having none, and how silly that is.
Another silly one I’ve seen him do is when challenged with the issue of inequality, he just changes the frame of reference to say that the poor are way better off than they were 100 years ago and have things those people could only dream of (conflating 2 things). He’s all over the right wing playbook of individualism and capitalism are the only answers. He needs to read more politics books, or the right ones imo. He’s better than Ben Shapiro though ‍

Right wing left wing two wings of the same buzzard as the differences at the extreme ends of the spectrum are purely cosmetic while the consequence for humanity as an whole is very real.

 

[David Nelson]

Right wing left wing two wings of the same buzzard as the differences at the extreme ends of the spectrum are purely cosmetic while the consequence for humanity as an whole is very real.

Don’t know what you mean here. But there is no left in politics in the west. Most people don’t understand the new class war which is causing all the discord in the west. The elites fuck everything up. Brexit has shown not how ignorant the masses are but how ‘clever’ people can be so dumb. I voted for Brexit as a protest and due to a belief that the value of the EU was an illusion and it is in fact an elite-friendly structure which we don’t need and which reduces democracy in member states.

 

[Cornerstone]

I voted for Brexit as a protest and due to a belief that the value of the EU was an illusion and it is in fact an elite-friendly structure which we don’t need and which reduces democracy in member states.

Can you elaborate on this please? I dig the general idea in that an EU bloc reinforces the idea that economic blocs are necessary but, well, I actually don't know what you mean but I'm interested

 

[David Nelson]

Can you elaborate on this please? I dig the general idea in that an EU bloc reinforces the idea that economic blocs are necessary but, well, I actually don't know what you mean but I'm interested

Certainly. I see Brexit as like the Trump election and basically a peasant revolt. It stems from our divided society (technocratic neoliberal overclass versus oppressed working class) and a desire to change the status quo. Although Brexit in itself won’t change much, it was a start, and certainly passed off a lot of elites, as seen in their reaction after the result came out. The plebs had not done as instructed by their masters.
The whole notion of the EU as some progressive utopian organisation is as naive as thinking the same about the World Bank and IMF and all those other elite structures which strangle real democracy and mainly serve elite interests. As an example I have a quote by one of the founders of the EU a Jean Mannet, who said something like “it should be done in stages, and claimed to provide economic benefits, so the people don’t realise what is happening “

 

[David Nelson]

It’s all part of the big picture of technocratic neoliberalism replacing Democratic pluralism which has happened gradually over the last 50-60 years. What this means in simpler terms is a concentration of power and big disconnect between the power and ordinary working class people. The technocratic overclass are catered for by the centralised power but the rest are patronised, insulted and ignored as much as possible. The EU is an extension of this. It’s also duplication of governance and a complete waste of resources.

 

[Roses In The Vineyard]

But there is no left in politics in the west.

Whatever you are smoking or shooting must be incredibly exceptional as that is perhaps one of the most idiotic statements I've ever seen on a forum. It is individuals like yourself why tribalism is such a big issue and unnecessarily so as such divide society resulting in conflict.

 

[David Nelson]

Whatever you are smoking or shooting must be incredibly exceptional as that is perhaps one of the most idiotic statements I've ever seen on a forum. It is individuals like yourself why tribalism is such a big issue and unnecessarily so as such divide society resulting in conflict.

Wow. If you are prepared to have a civil debate I will show you I am right. I’m well up for the challenge and I’ll try not to be offensive back. I suspect you won’t though.

 

[David Nelson]

The start of your education perhaps…

 

[David Nelson]

Just one example of how technocrats behave in the U.K.

 

[David Nelson]

Part of why working people are fed up…it’s a great book.

 

[David Nelson]

This is gold…