Snowflakes

[Lady Jolanda]

Fair enough. Thanks for explaining the difference. Could you give me an example of a person you would consider a non-snowflake liberal?
(And yes, I understand that that would be someone who doesn't tick any of the boxes you provided, but still considers themselves liberal, but that's not entirely what I meant. I'd like the name of an actual person. Also, none of this is to mock you, simply to understand you better.)

 

[Eventhorizon]

Fair enough. Thanks for explaining the difference. Could you give me an example of a person you would consider a non-snowflake liberal?
(And yes, I understand that that would be someone who doesn't tick any of the boxes you provided, but still considers themselves liberal, but that's not entirely what I meant. I'd like the name of an actual person. Also, none of this is to mock you, simply to understand you better.)

Most of these people I know irl. Unfortunately the ones you see on TV or hear about are the ones who like face time and are trying to make a name for themselves. As such they can't help but spew catch phrases and the like that put them in that category. Any liberal who works a real job could potentially not be a snowflake. Most of the liberals making laws to please other liberals aren't even real liberals. They just do it to make money and control the masses.

 

[Skarekrow]

Actually, the tax increases to the rich actually benefit them more for some reason (not actually sure how it works) tax reductions to businesses are supposed to inspire growth. The companies are supposed to use the extra money to hire more workers, expand business etc. In contrast, raising minimum wage to $15/hr causes companies to cut staff and hire part time so they don't have to pay benefits in order to make up the loss.

Yeah Reagan tried it on a smaller scale in the 80’s (which wasn’t small, this new bill is like the old on steroids)...”trickle down economics” or “Reaganomics” it’s sometimes called.
They don’t benefit the middle class at all...it made life worse for them in fact, just as this bill will do.
They are not going to raise wages...in fact, the wages here in the US have stagnated ever since Reagan blew up the Air Traffic Controller’s Union which was against the law but also gave corporations the signal that they can supersede the union’s laws and power that the people once had...and they have faltered and vanished ever since for most.
They CEOs and corporations kept the money in the 80’s and they are planning to keep it again.
Which is why the push for a $15 minimum wage is the very least it should be increased.
If it had kept pace with inflation it should right now be - $21.72
If you put money into the pockets of consumers they will spend it and consume, thus growing the economy...the rich have no reason to spend it, they have no incentive to invest it in benefits for their employees either, they have every incentive to keep it.
Especially when you consider most already get huge tax breaks previously and many keep huge portions of their wealth out of reach of taxes besides.
So who are the real welfare queens?
Those working at Walmart on minimum wage, not enough time or money to go back to school and improve their situation - hell Walmart even puts barrels in it’s own break rooms for employees to donate food to other employees who are food insecure instead of paying them a living wage where they don’t need government assistance....but guess who also is the biggest receiver of Snap benefits (food stamps)...yep, Walmart...they get billions of dollars of government money paid to them through food stamps by their own underpaid employees.
This new tax bill scam will give the Walton family billions of dollars in tax breaks....if their employees get raises and shit I’ll eat my words, but I would be willing to put money down that never takes place.

Canadian military had them briefly, but they didn't work out (for some reason the drill instructor didn't honor the program???) I got it first had from someone who was there... after I was already in for a few years...

Also, you get the people who just wanted a woman in the Whitehouse... although I'm not against that, HRC is a complete psycho and I say that without prejudice.

I don’t think there was that big of the population that just wanted a women for the sheer sake of having a woman as President.
HRC lost because she is out of touch with the average person and comes of as cold and robotic.
I don’t know her mental state but I would venture to say she is much more sane than Trump’s cocaine fueled NPD.
HRC was a very unlikable candidate imho.

 

[Eventhorizon]

Yeah Reagan tried it on a smaller scale in the 80’s (which wasn’t small, this new bill is like the old on steroids)...”trickle down economics” or “Reaganomics” it’s sometimes called.
They don’t benefit the middle class at all...it made life worse for them in fact, just as this bill will do.
They are not going to raise wages...in fact, the wages here in the US have stagnated ever since Reagan blew up the Air Traffic Controller’s Union which was against the law but also gave corporations the signal that they can supersede the union’s laws and power that the people once had...and they have faltered and vanished ever since for most.
They CEOs and corporations kept the money in the 80’s and they are planning to keep it again.
Which is why the push for a $15 minimum wage is the very least it should be increased.
If it had kept pace with inflation it should right now be - $21.72
If you put money into the pockets of consumers they will spend it and consume, thus growing the economy...the rich have no reason to spend it, they have no incentive to invest it in benefits for their employees either, they have every incentive to keep it.
Especially when you consider most already get huge tax breaks previously and many keep huge portions of their wealth out of reach of taxes besides.
So who are the real welfare queens?
Those working at Walmart on minimum wage, not enough time or money to go back to school and improve their situation - hell Walmart even puts barrels in it’s own break rooms for employees to donate food to other employees who are food insecure instead of paying them a living wage where they don’t need government assistance....but guess who also is the biggest receiver of Snap benefits (food stamps)...yep, Walmart...they get billions of dollars of government money paid to them through food stamps by their own underpaid employees.
This new tax bill scam will give the Walton family billions of dollars in tax breaks....if their employees get raises and shit I’ll eat my words, but I would be willing to put money down that never takes place.

I don’t think there was that big of the population that just wanted a women for the sheer sake of having a woman as President.
HRC lost because she is out of touch with the average person and comes of as cold and robotic.
I don’t know her mental state but I would venture to say she is much more sane than Trump’s cocaine fueled NPD.
HRC was a very unlikable candidate imho.

Your talking about socialism. What you and others don't get is that if you give everyone $15 an hour the money up to that amount becomes worthless. Food prices increase to accommodate the difference, utility...healthcare. All of you people live off envy. None of you have the right to tell people how much money they can make or can have.
If I have a job where I sit at a desk all day and pick my nose and a company wants to pay me 5 million a year to do it, it's not for you or anyone to say the company can't do that or I don't have a right to that money. If a person makes 6 dollars an hour for breaking their back digging trenches and they don't like it, they can find another job.. The choices are endless.

Trump is cocaine fueled or was? Proof please. We know Obama was (or still is, nothing to say he wasn't doing his lines off the Presidents desk) a drug user by his own admission. Why does he get a pass since drug usage is something you are now against?

 

[Skarekrow]

I feel like the stress card thing is the military's version of an urban legend. We didn't have them either in 98'. So I can only conclude these soft-ass Baby Boomers were the ones who had them haha.

Yeah, I went in in 99’.

Your talking about socialism. What you and others don't get is that if you give everyone $15 an hour the money up to that amount becomes worthless. Food prices increase to accommodate the difference, utility...healthcare. All of you people live off envy. None of you have the right to tell people how much money they can make or can have.
If I have a job where I sit at a desk all day and pick my nose and a company wants to pay me 5 million a year to do it, it's not for you or anyone to say the company can't do that or I don't have a right to that money. If a person makes 6 dollars an bour for breaking their back digging trenches and they don't like it, they can find another job or be homeless. The choices are endless.

Raising the minimum wage is socialism?
What a poor response.
It amazes me when people fight against raising their own wages (because yes, it raises them all).
It’s working just fine in all the other countries around the word who pay their people a living wage.
Not to mention in Seattle where the $15 minimum wage is working just fine in spite of all the “crying wolf” that occurred prior.
So what? - Let’s cut tax deductions for the workers, make education unaffordable, raise prices on healthcare and cut wages so low that everyone has to stay on government assistance instead of working and earning the money and benefits for themselves.
That is socialism.
Keeping people on the govt. teat.
You need to take a Econ 101 course.
Maybe Trump university offers one you could take out huge student loans for.
I bet you don’t believe in tipping either do you.
The choices are endless...yeah, might as well bring back debtors prisons too and forced labor for those who can’t pay their bills.
You have great ideas!
(not at all like the Nazis or Stalinist Russia)

 

[acd]

There is a balance between classes to be achieved for capitalism to work. If working people can't afford basic needs or have any discretionary income available after basic needs and necessities-- the system will not work. You want to prevent socialism or communism? You need a balance of capitalism and social democracy. You have to ensure certain benefits; affordable and quality healthcare, retirement, social safety nets, wages... That's not socialism. It prevents the collapse of capitalism.

 

[Icedream]

how is this thread still alive

 

[acd]

how is this thread still alive

 

[Icedream]

lol

 

[Emanuel Goldstein]

Yeah Reagan tried it on a smaller scale in the 80’s (which wasn’t small, this new bill is like the old on steroids)...”trickle down economics” or “Reaganomics” it’s sometimes called.
They don’t benefit the middle class at all...it made life worse for them in fact, just as this bill will do.
They are not going to raise wages...in fact, the wages here in the US have stagnated ever since Reagan blew up the Air Traffic Controller’s Union which was against the law but also gave corporations the signal that they can supersede the union’s laws and power that the people once had...and they have faltered and vanished ever since for most.
They CEOs and corporations kept the money in the 80’s and they are planning to keep it again.
Which is why the push for a $15 minimum wage is the very least it should be increased.
If it had kept pace with inflation it should right now be - $21.72
If you put money into the pockets of consumers they will spend it and consume, thus growing the economy...the rich have no reason to spend it, they have no incentive to invest it in benefits for their employees either, they have every incentive to keep it.
Especially when you consider most already get huge tax breaks previously and many keep huge portions of their wealth out of reach of taxes besides.
So who are the real welfare queens?
Those working at Walmart on minimum wage, not enough time or money to go back to school and improve their situation - hell Walmart even puts barrels in it’s own break rooms for employees to donate food to other employees who are food insecure instead of paying them a living wage where they don’t need government assistance....but guess who also is the biggest receiver of Snap benefits (food stamps)...yep, Walmart...they get billions of dollars of government money paid to them through food stamps by their own underpaid employees.
This new tax bill scam will give the Walton family billions of dollars in tax breaks....if their employees get raises and shit I’ll eat my words, but I would be willing to put money down that never takes place.

I don’t think there was that big of the population that just wanted a women for the sheer sake of having a woman as President.
HRC lost because she is out of touch with the average person and comes of as cold and robotic.
I don’t know her mental state but I would venture to say she is much more sane than Trump’s cocaine fueled NPD.
HRC was a very unlikable candidate imho.

It's big scam that's been designed to fail, why do you think the fed targets 2% inflation every year and then don't raise wages to match? They want everyone dependent on government so when everything falls apart, everyone will come running to government for a solution. They want people so dependant on government that they have no choice, but to do what they say. Why do you think Canada and other countries are trying to institute Universal Basic income? So your dependent on government so no one can get rid of it. Very few have their own farms and grow their own food we are dependent on grocery stores. What would happen if we had a credit crises? Trucks that deliver food to grocery stores... then anarchy until Gov't comes to the rescue and puts everyone even more under their thumb.

As far as HRC is concerned, when she said (about Kaddafi) "we came, we saw, he died" that was it for me. Then about George Soros funding BLM and rumors about Clinton aids smuggling kids out of Cuba. Also, about the Clinton foundation pretending to help in Cuba, but actually just exploiting the locals... was icing on the Cake for me. In reality though they all play by the same play book, but when I saw most of the media align themselves... I was just so surprised that its all just propaganda now and its feeding pablum to the masses... It's all just a big show for everyone, but the end result will be the same... for all countries. I'm still trying to figure out whose on what team and whose really calling the shots... I highly doubt its the president at this point...

 

[the]

It's big scam that's been designed to fail, why do you think the fed targets 2% inflation every year and then don't raise wages to match? They want everyone dependent on government so when everything falls apart, everyone will come running to government for a solution. They want people so dependant on government that they have no choice, but to do what they say. Why do you think Canada and other countries are trying to institute Universal Basic income? So your dependent on government so no one can get rid of it. Very few have their own farms and grow their own food we are dependent on grocery stores. What would happen if we had a credit crises? Trucks that deliver food to grocery stores... then anarchy until Gov't comes to the rescue and puts everyone even more under their thumb.

...

Who is the "they" in your post, the federal government? If everything falls apart what do you expect the government will do? In your mind who is "Gov't"? What does dependency on the government look like to you?

 

[Skarekrow]

Your talking about socialism. What you and others don't get is that if you give everyone $15 an hour the money up to that amount becomes worthless. Food prices increase to accommodate the difference, utility...healthcare. All of you people live off envy. None of you have the right to tell people how much money they can make or can have.
If I have a job where I sit at a desk all day and pick my nose and a company wants to pay me 5 million a year to do it, it's not for you or anyone to say the company can't do that or I don't have a right to that money. If a person makes 6 dollars an hour for breaking their back digging trenches and they don't like it, they can find another job.. The choices are endless.

 

[Eventhorizon]

how is this thread still alive

 

[the]

... None of you have the right to tell people how much money they can make or can have....

Same goes for you, but here you are discussing it just like we are.

 

[Eventhorizon]

Same goes for you, but here you are discussing it just like we are.

I dont understand why you feel the need to state the obvious.

 

[Skarekrow]

I dont understand why you feel the need to state the obvious.

Ahem...

When Binary Thinking Is Involved, Polarization Follows
Anxiety from a lack of toleration for ambiguity leads to binary thinking.
https://www.psychologytoday.com/blo...ary-thinking-is-involved-polarization-follows​

 

[Eventhorizon]

Cute with the addition to my poll. Thank you unnamed administrator.

 

[Wyote]

Ahem...

When Binary Thinking Is Involved, Polarization Follows
Anxiety from a lack of toleration for ambiguity leads to binary thinking.
https://www.psychologytoday.com/blo...ary-thinking-is-involved-polarization-follows​

"When we lead, teach, or preach from a gospel of Viking or Victim, win or lose, we crush faith, innovation, creativity, and adaptability to change…. When we teach or model to our children that vulnerability is dangerous and should be pushed away, we lead them directly into danger and disconnection.
The Viking or Victim armor doesn't just perpetuate behaviors such as dominance, control, and power over folks who see themselves as Vikings, it can also perpetuate a sense of ongoing victimhood for people who constantly struggle with the idea that they're being targeted or unfairly treated. With this lens, there are only two possible positions that people can occupy - power over or powerless…. Reducing our life options to such limited and extreme roles leaves very little hope for transformation and meaningful change."

"Perspective taking is listening to the truth as other people experience it and acknowledging it as the truth. What you see is as true, real and honest as what I see, so let me be quiet for a minute, listen and learn about what you see. Let me get curious about what you see. Allow me to ask questions about what you see."

:clapclap::clapclap::clapclap:

 

[the]

I dont understand.

You could have stopped here, and you can start every thread this way. It would make the most sense given your condition.

 

[Eventhorizon]

You could have stopped here, and you can start every thread this way. It would make the most sense given your condition.

I see. My condition. Yes.
What exactly is my condition again?