Ted Bundy & Crisis Lines

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Why did Ted Bundy work crisis lines? What did he get out of that? Why don't more people talk about it?

"Bundy dropped out of college after Brooks graduated and didn’t return until the fall of 1969 as a psychology major. With his new major, he excelled in his classes, became an honors student and was a favorite student among many of his professors.

Ronald Smith, current director of Clinical Psychology Training, taught Bundy as a student in two psychology courses.

“He distinguished himself academically in both courses,” Smith said. “He was extremely bright, always well-dressed, very mature.”

Smith remembers Bundy coming to him with an interest in pursuing an honors thesis on the topic of mental illness and conditional decision making.

“He was a tormented soul in a lot of respects, and psychology would appeal to a person like him,” Smith said. “He was not unusual for a very clever psychopath individual. He was able to inspire confidence in others and provide a very good front. Nobody who interacted with him actually suspected what was going on.”

As part of a requirement for his psychology degree, Bundy began volunteering at the Crisis Clinic — a nonprofit, 24-hour hotline — located at the time in an office building up on Capitol Hill. It was here where he first met and befriended Rule who was a fellow volunteer.

“I thought he was a very nice young man, very smart, very poor,” Rule said. “I used to make him cookies and sandwiches and listen to his problems. But of course, he never gave away any of the rage that was underneath.”

The two worked together over many long nights helping people who would call in for advice with issues including domestic abuse or on suicide. With no reason to be suspicious of the seemingly normal college student answering phones beside her, Rule said she never felt in danger working alone with him."

http://dailyuw.com/archive/2011/06/...infamous-uw-alumnus’-time-campus#.U1zD-dxqmLE
 
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I think people generally like to talk a lot but generally it is about quite superficial stuff

They have been conditioned over time to find it almost distastful to talk about important matters

If they encounter someone talking about important things they will tell the person they are crazy or weird for doing so

This really boils down to whether or not we think we are adults and should take a part in the decision making process at EVERY level of our society or whether we think we are really just children who should hand over all responsibility for decision making to other people higher up the chain of command

If we believe we are adults and that we should have a right to speak out and have a say in decision making at every level of our society then a part of taking responsibility is knowing what is going on because as the saying goes: 'a little knowledge is a dangerous thing'. If a person wants to make smart decisions then they need to know whats going on to be able to make an informed decision

The powers that be do not want people making an informed decision so they do not share the important information with people. They treat everyone as children and they want people to focus their energy on popular culture, gossip, sport, and other small matters that have no formative impact on our society

I'm not saying that people should ignore these things but if they want to make informed decisions then they will also have to give some attention to the weightier matters in life

The greatest compliment you can pay someone is to recognise that they are an adult and that they should have a right to play a part in the decision making process in society; as i have said part of that process of taking responsibility is taking a critical look at what is going on and that means even looking at some things that are unpleasant because that is what taking responsibility is

The whole political debate is really about how much or how little say we should each have in the decision making process. if you believe you are just a child and that other more intelligent or powerful people should make all the decisions for you then you will support centralised power and the feds

If you believe you are an adult and want to treat other people as if they are adults then you will believe in decentralised power and you will support your fellow citizens against the central control of the feds

I'm not saying people should ignore popular culture or spend all their time discussing the weightier matters but if they want to take responsibility then they will need to strike a balance because the people who want to centralise power under their own control are not paying any attention to sport, or soap operas, or the latest holiday deal or the latest bit of gossip....they are totally focussed on the weightier matters

The reason people aren't talking about the bundy situation is because they have been infantalised by the mainstream media and education system to the point where they feel that politics and economics and other such matters are above them and that such matters should be taken care of by bankers and politicians

It is exactly because normal, regular people have stepped back from taking decisions that the bad men and women have stepped forward into the void and have taken control...hence the ruined economy, high unemployment, 'nanny state', surveillance state, rising costs, endless wars and the sick society etc
 
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Just one of the many horrors of this world.
 
He probably liked being in control of peoples' emotional responses. Talking someone out of a crisis is a form of manipulation, which he loved doing. There's also a power dynamic there as well, a helpless individual needing someone - which is how Bundy lured a lot of his victims. Very interesting though!! I didn't know that!
 
Psychology draws a lot of individuals who have deep personal reasons for wanting to understand how the mind works. Studying psychology is a lot different then being a practicing psychotherapist. It is one thing to become educated in neurosis and psychosis, it is quite another to listen to the incredibly sad stories that many people only tell their therapist.

Perhaps he was good at the crisis line work, maybe he did help people and maybe he felt good about helping them. It is telling that he did not want to make a career out of it.

It is normal that most people are not interested in what drove him kill. It is scary to think that there may be so many killer and killer want to bees lurking around.

One would think that it would be easy to pick folks like that out from society at large, but it apparently is not.

I do question the wisdom of executing him, but would not hesitate pulling the switch.
 
usually when someone who does evil things does good things, i think they do the good things as part of a balancing act in the separate internal moral world that they have created for themselves to justify the evil things they do. but in this case i think he did it because he was a fake, and it was part of participating in psychology courses, "fitting in". because i dont think he had any kind of a moral framework operating inside of himself, i just think he was a sadistic sociopath who enjoyed committing violent atrocities. at least i think this is one plausible theory.
 
I agree with some of the others...he used it to hone his manipulation skills.
I’m sure that there was a part of him that was actually interested in helping people to a certain extent...just because he did monstrous things doesn’t mean the guy was 100% monster.
But who knows....maybe he was...psychopaths are very often, very good at manipulating people because they are so good at emulating emotions...perhaps psychology was just a stepping stone to becoming what he eventually became...or maybe deep down he knew something was off with himself and wanted to understand himself.
 
I recently watched this interview of him the other night, that was taped just hours before his death, and he was basically saying that he knew it was wrong, but that his compulsion to do it was overwhelming- and that his urges stemmed from hard core porn. He also said that he had been baptized and welcomed Jesus into his heart- which many serial killers seem to do before they pass on, but the interesting thing to think about is did he do the crisis line and actually feel good helping people and feel their pain? Or like @saywhat said, was it just to hone his manipulation skills? It's interesting to me, because I would assume that there would be other ways to learn how to hone those skills without engaging in something so incredibly personal/emotional like crisis lines. I wonder how the people he helped would talk about the way in which he helped them? I wonder how many lives he might have inadvertently saved while working on that crisis line.

[video=youtube;9LYL1PTrtXo]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9LYL1PTrtXo[/video]


If he was still alive, I would like it if he talked more about his experience on the crisis line. I'm not saying that something like working on a crisis line would in any way redeem him from what he did, but many psychology students never go that far, very few that I have talked to have any interest in the crisis lines. There is no real way to know how anything that he said might be true, because I know he was a compulsive liar and basically would say anything to prolong his wait on death row, but it just makes me awfully curious.

I am aware though, that people who study psychology may do so because of their desire to help people, or their desire to manipulate people, or any other number of reasons, including working through their own personal issues.

It's odd to think of a self-aware serial killer- knowing the mechanisms affecting/creating their actions, and still powerless to "do the right thing" so to speak. I wonder if he looked inside himself? It seems that it would be obvious from his victims that he was striking out against his ex-girlfriend, since most of his victims matched a profile- with the long brown parted hair, etc. I wonder if he ever realized his compulsion stemmed from something more than an out of control sex drive and recognized that perhaps these actions were out of anger, and recognizing that he did feel but he just buried it so deep inside of him. Although, all of this is just pure speculation...

It could be he was originally a business major, and just decided psychology as a way to manipulate people.
 
Shit...i thought you were talking about Cliven Bundy....you know...the rancher guy
 
Shit...i thought you were talking about Cliven Bundy....you know...the rancher guy

Are you joking or serious?
 
Oh my! That's what he did?!

I thought we were talking about this guy:

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Would i look stupid if i said 'serious'?

For having written a few paragraphs in response to the topic I originally posted about, it appears a few moments more of consideration on the topic at hand, or the simple act of googling "Ted Bundy" would have placated your urge to ask the question of whether or not it made you look stupid. Hence if you didn't look a bit foolish, you wouldn't be asking that question- think about it.
 
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[MENTION=1871]muir[/MENTION] I get the feeling you want to be taken seriously and "look at the bigger picture" and what "they" won't let us talk about, but if you want to be taken seriously please just look at the premise of an argument before responding. I'd love it if you said something that did make me look at the bigger picture, or question something I hadn't thought about before, but usually your arguments fail to pick up on the nuisances of the topics at hand and just sound a bit flighty and vague. Sorry, I hope I don't offend, but I also hope you'll consider what I'm saying for your own benefit.


I know I have a tendency to be flighty and vague sometimes too- Ti can do that, so please don't assume I'm attacking your character, its just a general observation.
 
For having written a few paragraphs in response to the topic I originally posted about, it appears a few moments more of consideration on the topic at hand, or the simple act of googling "Ted Bundy" would have placated your urge to ask the question if it made you look stupid. Hence if you didn't look a bit foolish, you wouldn't be asking that question- think about it.

I must be foolish cos i can't understand what you just said
 
@muir I get the feeling you want to be taken seriously and "look at the bigger picture" and what "they" won't let us talk about, but if you want to be taken seriously please just look at the premise of an argument before responding. I'd love it if you said something that did make me look at the bigger picture, or question something I hadn't thought about before, but usually your arguments fail to pick up on the nuisances of the topics at hand and just sound a bit flighty and vague. Sorry, I hope I don't offend, but I also hope you'll consider what I'm saying for your own benefit.

Ok...alright!

Is there not some sort of link between bundy and the bush family?

http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com/hardtruth/the_bundy_bloodline.htm
 
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