The line between conspiracy theorists and rational skepticism as a logical analysis

[muir]

Gosh. I suppose this is where I am being tasked to reveal my knowledge or.. die?

Instead I would prefer to have a late breakfast.

If we are to speak again, try using open questions. Can't be doing with too much impending doom.

I was making a statement about the big picture

You know how the world was sucked into world war 1 and 2 because various countries created mutual defence pacts which other countries then triggered by attacking? This then sucked all the allies of that country into the fight leading to 'world war'

Well the same situation is happenign again

Russia and China have created a mutual defence pact with iran and iran has one with syria

The US and britain are behind ISIS (israeli secret intelligence service) and they are staging all these faked 'beheadings' of british and american people to 'manufacture the consent' of the british and american public to allow our governments to invade iraq and syria

Because of the mutual defence pacts this will end up sucking russia and china into the conflict which would create world war 3

So yes...if we, the public, allow our governments to take us down this route it might very well mean our destruction

Please try to learn about these issues before you use such an ignorantly mocking tone...it just fills up the threads with nonsesne and blocks decent info getting out there; some basic knowledge of history might also serve you well

 

[Delta]

Muir.

I'm not off topic by the title of the thread which asks for an objective discussion not a pissing contest on who knows more about world affairs. Ok, I cannot share with you as you are rude.

 

[muir]

Muir.

I'm not off topic by the title of the thread which asks for an objective discussion not a pissing contest on who knows more about world affairs. Ok, I cannot share with you as you are rude.

hit and run!

you are absolutely wrong by the way

Read my posts i am making very clear statements about what is going on and what is going to happen

Some people are trying to tell me i am a 'conspiracy theorist' for saying what i'm saying but one of us is wrong...so this is absolutely about who knows what

 

[Lark]

I have read The art of loving by Fromm and his books will take pride of place in my study. Well, they will take up a lot of space as he he wrote a lot! Have you read much from him?

http://www.goodreads.com/author/quotes/8788.Erich_Fromm

I've read most of his published works and I'm a member of the international erich fromm society and read their newsletter which brings to print some of his other unpublished works.

I think he's undeservedly forgotten.

 

[Delta]

I've read most of his published works and I'm a member of the international erich fromm society and read their newsletter which brings to print some of his other unpublished works.

I think he's undeservedly forgotten.

I have been pleasantly surprised to find him within my reading for my course in Psychotherapy. I'm glad to find another who has made time to read Fromm.

Fromm truly contemplated the position of man within the context of society and also as a free agent. I regret I do not have the linguistic capacity to fully communicate how he has influenced me as he speaks of a struggle I do not take lightly.

I can see how individuals can lean towards the worst conclusions about society but even when the conclusions are correct the winning formula seems to be the same quality; to be rational, to fight for individual freedom without being caught up in the dance. As humans our awareness of our own part seems to be too easily given over within the observation/s of conspiracy theories and it this aspect which troubles me the most. In my spiritually based reading the conclusion there is that we being prodded to respond in animal like ways, to stay within the fight or flight mode rather than transcend.

Transcendence therefore is my goal as it seems to be how the human race survives each blow.

 

[muir]

I've read most of his published works and I'm a member of the international erich fromm society and read their newsletter which brings to print some of his other unpublished works.

I think he's undeservedly forgotten.

I read this article and thought you might be interested in it:

http://neilclark66.blogspot.co.uk/2009/01/weekly-fromm-erich-fromm-on-zionism.html

For our first ‘Weekly Fromm’ of 2009, I thought it appropriate, in the light of events in Gaza, to post the thoughts of the great man on Zionism from 1959:

It is often said that the Arabs fled, that they left the country voluntarily, and that they therefore bear the responsibility for losing their property and their land. It is true that in history there are some instances — in Rome and in France during the Revolutions when enemies of the state were proscribed and their property confiscated.

In general international law, the principle holds true that no citizen loses his property or his rights of citizenship; and the citizenship right is de facto a right to which the Arabs in Israel have much more legitimacy than the [European] Jews. Just because the Arabs fled? Since when is that punishable by confiscation of property and by being barred from returning to the land on which a people's forefathers have lived for generations? Thus, the claim of the Jews to the land of Israel cannot be a realistic political claim. If all nations would suddenly claim territories in which their forefathers had lived two thousand years ago, this world would be a madhouse.

No doubt if Fromm were alive today and expressed such opinions he would be denounced as an ’anti-semite’, even though he was Jewish.

 

[muir]

I have been pleasantly surprised to find him within my reading for my course in Psychotherapy. I'm glad to find another who has made time to read Fromm.

Fromm truly contemplated the position of man within the context of society and also as a free agent. I regret I do not have the linguistic capacity to fully communicate how he has influenced me as he speaks of a struggle I do not take lightly.

I can see how individuals can lean towards the worst conclusions about society but even when the conclusions are correct the winning formula seems to be the same quality; to be rational, to fight for individual freedom without being caught up in the dance. As humans our awareness of our own part seems to be too easily given over within the observation/s of conspiracy theories and it this aspect which troubles me the most. In my spiritually based reading the conclusion there is that we being prodded to respond in animal like ways, to stay within the fight or flight mode rather than transcend.

Transcendence therefore is my goal as it seems to be how the human race survives each blow.

Fromm is part of a wave which i guess could be loosly be termed 'marxist thought'

Although there is great diversity of thought within that wave the reality of it is that ultimately the impetus of that wave is provided by money which enables the currents of thought in that wave to reach maximal amounts of minds

The money comes from a group of central banking families who like marx had their origins in germany

The question a western person needs to ask themselves is: do they realistically believe that those banking families are advocating a form of socialism in which those banking families give up their power, wealth and privilege or do the bankers really just perceive marxism to be a tool through which to create a new centrally controlled economy which would allow them totalitarian control over mankind (the ultimate form of authoritarianism which would destroy individual freedoms?)

I know which i beleive is their ultimate aim!

So for all its high falluting talk the marxist wave is really going to be used to engulf and suffocate people for as long as it is a tool of centralised power

It's naive in the extreme to believe otherwise

 

[Lark]

Muir.

I'm not off topic by the title of the thread which asks for an objective discussion not a pissing contest on who knows more about world affairs. Ok, I cannot share with you as you are rude.

By now the forum is bound to be familiar with this pattern of posts even if Muir is missing it.

 

[Delta]

By now the forum is bound to be familiar with this pattern of posts even if Muir is missing it.

I hope this isn't the norm! By and large it is hard to prove anything! Reliable methods can be applied to why we believe what we do and how we go about it but I think most information and communication processes will always be open to manipulation. Still I do have confidence that those who keep a finger on their pulse will continue to win out. I suppose this is why I have a lot of time for those who visibly lobby against issues of concern and why I don't believe we are all doomed. Conspiracy theorists, well I listen to them with one ear and protect myself from any lack of self awareness which aims to convince otherwise. Or if I love them as I do my brother I help them to be more rational. What else is a girl to do?

Very cool about your interest in Fromm. I would like to share more with you. Thanks for not laughing at my idiosyncrasies. There is some sense in what I say, lol. I enjoy the unraveling process more than claiming truth.

 

[muir]

By now the forum is bound to be familiar with this pattern of posts even if Muir is missing it.

By now the forum is bound to be familiar with your constant and incessant worship of the frankfurt schools erich fromm even if you are missing it

 

[muir]

I hope this isn't the norm! By and large it is hard to prove anything! Reliable methods can be applied to why we believe what we do and how we go about it but I think most information and communication processes will always be open to manipulation. Still I do have confidence that those who keep a finger on their pulse will continue to win out. I suppose this is why I have a lot of time for those who visibly lobby against issues of concern and why I don't believe we are all doomed. Conspiracy theorists, well I listen to them with one ear and protect myself from any lack of self awareness which aims to convince otherwise. Or if I love them as I do my brother I help them to be more rational. What else is a girl to do?

Very cool about your interest in Fromm. I would like to share more with you. Thanks for not laughing at my idiosyncrasies. There is some sense in what I say, lol. I enjoy the unraveling process more than claiming truth.

Can you explain to me using your 'rational' mind why Fromm and the marxist frankfurt school in general received such patronage from the US east coast establishment?

Surely such marxist teachings would be perceived as a threat to the established order in the US so why would frankfurt school intellectuals be given funding and posts in universities by the power el-ite in the US?

Please using your rational mind can you rationalise to me why big money interests would be supporting marxism?

This oughta be good....

I'd also like to see if @Lark has the balls to answer this question as well or if he will remain silent on the issue like he has remained silent in his own thread on 'anti-semitism' after i asked him a couple of questions there

Come on guys....explain this stuff to the world...if you dare lol