The line between conspiracy theorists and rational skepticism as a logical analysis

[dogman6126]

I've posted a bunch of politicians saying themselves that they want to build a world government 'new world order'

It's right there....all you have to do is open your eyes and ears and allow reality in

Whats silly is ignoring whats right in front of your face, which with these clips the NWO now is

What it demonstrates as how 'conspiracy theorists' have the proof to back up what they're saying but that some people are unwilling to look at the proof

I'd say the conspiracy theorists are therefore the ones being rational because they are the ones going by the facts

Your definition of fact and my definition of fact are two very different things.

 

[muir]

Your definition of fact and my definition of fact are two very different things.

Well what concrete thinkers like you seem to need is a signed confession from the conpisrators before you will believe that they are working to build a world government and what i'm saying is that actually i can pretty much provide you with that

The conpspirators have made speeches and they have written books in which they have told us about their plans for one world government ( a 'new world order') and the clips i posted above have some of the conspirators talking about it...all you have to do is open your ears and eyes and there it is waiting for you: reality

 

[muir]

Like in the other thread I keep coming back to the idea of what difference does it make?

Whether its a secret cabal of jew bankers or the troll on the hill which is having a causative effective what difference does it make?

I started to think this way when considering modern political ideologies which all have their own specific narratives about constituencies, actors, others, obsticles etc. all increasingly infantilised into an "us" and "them" but what I found most of the time were they were long on description and very short on prescription, especially short on what a mere singular individual could do and not really focusing much, if at all, on the reality that your sphere of influence falls much, much shorter of your sphere of concern. Even one particularly good model of theorising oppression which had something called a PCS model, personal, cultural and structural, of oppression didnt say much about how individuals could change or respond to this besides being aware of it.

Libertarianism in the US has been a little different, perhaps because they are operating with an ideology which, in theory at least, springs from rugged individualism.

I have some sympathies with libertarian thought but i see it as subvertable by the cabal

If money exists the cabal will hoard it and use it to influence people

Imo we need to get rid of money

 

[myself]

I asked a question about geo-engineering/climate engineering and posted a video.
I hope someone can help me out with that one, because I can't find anyone to debunk it.
Redding city council is investigating it now...

My main conspiracy concern is GMO seed patenting. Seed patent is one of the most wicked things being allowed today.

http://www.naturalnews.com/046193_GMO_crop_failures_farmer_suicides_India.html

(going on vacation for awhile, be back in a month)

 

[Lark]

Well I'm inclined to agree with Laselle, I think that's his name spelt correctly, that anti-semitism is the socialism of fools.

Also, thinking in terms of perscrption and not just description, as I've posted about before, the whole illuminati/Rothschilds conspiracy theorising results in the weirdest mix of agitation strategies, simultaneously endorsing people like Ron Paul and radicals on the left like Chomsky because anything which is seen as potentially jeopardising legacies and wealth is considered "good" per se.

 

[Ryanbutler]

Conspiracy theories are stupid. They're endemic to the good ol' US of A as well, you won't find any or many Alex Jones' in Germany for instance.

Then again in Germany 45% of the people don't think that the Earth is 6,000 years old.

 

[Lark]

Conspiracy theories are stupid. They're endemic to the good ol' US of A as well, you won't find any or many Alex Jones' in Germany for instance.

Then again in Germany 45% of the people don't think that the Earth is 6,000 years old.

That statistic seems suspect to me.

I wonder why conspiracy theories are more popular in the USA than anywhere else.

 

[Ryanbutler]

That statistic seems suspect to me.

I wonder why conspiracy theories are more popular in the USA than anywhere else.

Sorry, 46%

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/06/05/americans-believe-in-creationism_n_1571127.html


It's because they're all isolated from the rest of the world, and old things like creationism haven't died out because the education emphasis on logic or even evidence that is seen in Europe hasn't spread there, or maybe because critical thinking skills so much as so called "American values" aren't emphasised enough. My thoughts anyway.

 

[cvp12gh5]

I just love conspiracy theories. Really, I do.

In the past, I would wake up on Sunday morning, make a nice hot cup of coffee and read the Sunday Times. After getting up-to-date on what's going on in the World, I would turn to the Funnies hoping for a good laugh. It's hit or miss.

BUT... not anymore! The Funnies are a thing of the past! Now, I jump right online and onto this forum to see what new conspiracy theory has emerged overnight. It's way more amusing and it never disappoints. . A good laugh always makes my day.

So thank you. You know who you are. <3

 

[muir]

I asked a question about geo-engineering/climate engineering and posted a video.
I hope someone can help me out with that one, because I can't find anyone to debunk it.
Redding city council is investigating it now...

My main conspiracy concern is GMO seed patenting. Seed patent is one of the most wicked things being allowed today.

http://www.naturalnews.com/046193_GMO_crop_failures_farmer_suicides_India.html

(going on vacation for awhile, be back in a month)

We are indeed being sprayed with toxic particulates in chemtrails whilst the naysayers sit around talking about what percentage of people believe in 'conspiracy theories'!

Its like they have had the part of their brain thats responsible for critical thinking bypassed or something!

Do they not realise that a conspiracy is when more than 1 person work together to do harm to an enemy?

Therefore conspiracies happen all the time. The US and UK government conspired against the nazis we are told by the history books. The nazis and the italian fascists conspired against the 'allies' we are told and so on

History is full of conspiracies. In fact i bet in every work place of the naysayers there are conspiracies going on

To speculate on the possibility of a conspiracy is to theorise. So for example those who believe in the official government version of 911 believe in the government THEORY that a bunch of hijakers CONSPIRED to hijack a bunch of planes=conspiracy theorists

So for someone to say they don't believe in conspiracy theories is....well...retarded

Everytime a cop investigates a crime he/she must be a conspiracy theorist to solve the crime etc

Some theories will be true whilst some won't be so to say you don't believe in any theory of any conspiracy is....well....retarded

A sensible person evaluates each new piece of information they receive

 

[cvp12gh5]

 

[just me]

Let us knot forget who shot Kennedy....from a knoll.

 

[muir]

Let us knot forget who shot Kennedy....from a knoll.

Someone shot kennedy

There was also more than one shooter as the ballistics prove

This means there were two shooters who just happened to be shooting at kennedy at the same place at the same time OR they were working together...in which case it was a 'conspiracy'

 

[muir]

The investigation called Operation Tiberius carried out within the London Metropolitan police force in 2002 found that organised crime could infiltrate the police 'at will' and that the freemasons were involved

Insiders have warned that the number of cases of corruption will just grow and grow as more links are found

This means there are multiple conspiracies going on within the police force

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...al-endemic-corruption-at-the-met-9644667.html

Scotland Yard holds an astonishing 260 crates of documents on police corruption in one corner of London alone – and very few of the rogue detectives have ever been successfully prosecuted.

A review led by one of Britain's most senior police officers has unearthed a mammoth amount of intelligence spawned by Operation Tiberius, a secret police report written in 2002 that concluded there was "endemic corruption" inside the Metropolitan Police.
The file found organised crime networks in north-east London were able to infiltrate the Met "at will" to frustrate the criminal justice system.

 

[muir]

HSBC (hong kong shanghai bank....dates back to the days where the british empire got the chinese hooked on opium by using their gunships to stop the chinese government from blocking their opium from being brought into the country...thereby making the british government the biggest smack dealers in history...go read your history if you doubt it)

An HSBC whistleblower has exposed the banks links to terrorism. This shows there are conspiracies within the financial industry and also presumably cover ups by the regulators who must surely be aware of the various shenanighans going on...not to mention the government and intelligence services and police!

http://investmentwatchblog.com/hsbc-whistleblower-banks-are-financing-terrorism/

HSBC Whistleblower – Banks Are Financing Terrorism


July 31st, 2014

Read more at http://investmentwatchblog.com/hsbc-whistleblower-banks-are-financing-terrorism/#omQembtgUamSjD3l.99

HSBC Bank whistleblower Everett Stern, CEO of Tactical Rabbit, says that banks like HSBC not only know, but have admitted to doing business with companies that finance terrorists.
“HSBC is part of the deferred prosecution agreement and JP Morgan and Citibank, they have all admitted to these things,” Stern told Ed Berliner on “MidPoint” on Newsmax TV Wednesday.
“For some reason the mainstream media is not covering the issue, and the American public doesn’t understand that these banks are literally financing the next 9/11,” he explained.

 

[muir]

There are conspiracies everywhere

Now we know that europe was made up of monarchical states and that the US was created by people who wanted to try a new form of governance that was not controlled by the old money network of europe

We also know that the old money network of europe tried to use force to keep control of the US and has since been using subterfuge

So let us remind ourselves of what one of the early US americans had to say about how to remain free from the grip of the old money network:

“It is the first responsibility of every citizen to question authority.”


― Benjamin Franklin

There it is folks....it is your responsibility to question authority

The price to pay if you do not is that tyranny takes hold of your country and your economy will suffer and your rights and freedoms will be taken away from you

Questioning authority means looking into whats going on. Seeing as the old money network work together then it is a 'conspiracy', therefore any responsible citizen who is investigating the actions of authority must investigate theories, just like a journalist does or a policeman/woman of conspiracies

Therefore we must if we are to be responsible citizens be conspiracy theorists

However of course authority does not want you investigtaing its behaviours and will try to stop you. It will call you crazy and stupid and say you have no right to investigate such matters and it will try to make you feel small and powerless and will imply you are too stupid or not sophisticated enough to consider such matters

Well i don't know about YOU but i am not dumb so i will investigate such matters.

So lets hear what the authorities think about you questioning authority:

http://www.c-span.org/video/?320749-5/washington-journal-conspiracy-theories

That's right they think that you as a citizen discussing the goings on in the corridors of power is a threat to national security....but seeing as you are not as dumb as they think you are you know that the only threat of you taking responsiblity is to THEIR SECURITY AS CRIMINALS

After all, as they keep telling us....if they have done nothing wrong why should they be afraid of us watching them?

 

[muir]

Be smart and know the game

If you criticsie Israel you will be branded an 'anti-semite'

If you question the fiat currency system then under FBI guidelines you will be called a 'terrorist'

If you question the official government story you will be branded a 'conspiracy theorist'

This doesn't mean you are wrong.....it means you are not agreeing with authority

The louder authority shouts and the more vitriolic it gets the closer you are probably getting to the truth that they wish to keep concealed

Wear it as a badge of honour to be called these things...it shows you are living upto your responsibility and questioning authority.....it doesn't mean authority will like it though...it won't.....because the authority of authority is predicated on upholding various lies, illusions and distortions and by threatening to expose those you are threatening to undermine their authority....AND THAT IS WHAT THEY ARE REALLY AFRAID OF

 

[dogman6126]

And everything you just said [MENTION=1871]muir[/MENTION] would have been great...If you weren't so prone to using false logic.

 

[Lark]

I asked a question about geo-engineering/climate engineering and posted a video.
I hope someone can help me out with that one, because I can't find anyone to debunk it.
Redding city council is investigating it now...

My main conspiracy concern is GMO seed patenting. Seed patent is one of the most wicked things being allowed today.

http://www.naturalnews.com/046193_GMO_crop_failures_farmer_suicides_India.html

(going on vacation for awhile, be back in a month)

I'm inclined to agree and I dont think that's any conspiracy, I think that's markets run amok, there's people just as worried about it in high up European and international institutions too if they are considering seed depositories in isolated mountain ranges, on the moon or on mars.

The monopolisation of seed stocks and terminator genes are scary enough even without the prospect of mutations in genetically modified stock, intensive farming wiping out diversity, soil erosion and the ecological impact even more intensive mass food production. There was a great book written about this not too long ago called The Great Food Gamble, it was a very balanced account which took the promises of genetic engineering at face value.

 

[muir]

And everything you just said @muir would have been great...If you weren't so prone to using false logic.

All you have to worry about is what is happening

Don't tie yourself up in knots

You think the corporate network are sitting around beratting each other about 'logic'?

No they are getting on with their agenda of monopolising power (monopoly capitalism)

Keep your eye on the ball

There are those that don't know whats going on and they are the leaves that are blown about in the wind.....they are the ones who get stung by the housing bubbles and the market crashes and so on

And then there are those that know the way the wind is blowing and they are the ones who will avoid the pitfalls

And then there are those that are directing the wind

All 'conspiracy theorists' are doing is ignoring the mainstream media and instead watching the big guys.....the movers and shakers...that's where the action is

Here is a clip of world renown journalist (and INFJ) John Pilger telling us that the mainstream news is basically horseshit:

[video=youtube;41YTAZHIWN8]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=41YTAZHIWN8[/video]

This guy has insight and integrity...if he's telling you the MSM is horseshit then its horseshit.....but then many of us knew that already

So forget the MSM its the tool of the corporations whose agenda is to grab more and more power. We have to start looking for our own answers and info and share it around. This will involve some theorising and it is about a conspiracy of monied interests so therefore it will involve theories about conspiracies

Don't let the PTB take ownership of the words 'conspiracy' and 'theory'...they are not dirty words. It is ok to have theories and explore them and it is ok to acknowledge that there are conspiracies in this world