The Minimal Facts for the Resurrection of Christ.

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To be fair, this entire thread is intellectually dishonest

Yeah... I mean, who says this? Such dishonesty!

I'm both converting and mocking all of you
That is my choice, my creed
To what and about what, is yet to be determined
Whatever it is, you will accept it joyfully
Erotically, even
Or was it neurotically... hmm

I'm still right though
And this thread is still wrong
I mean Left
What a Leftest thread
Real deep state agenda vibes in here

 

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Such dishonesty!

There is truth in jest
I am comfortable living more in the grey than you, however
And also I'm hilarious

 

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There is truth in jest
I am comfortable living more in the grey than you, however
And also I'm hilarious

Well, I don't actually believe grey exists in reality.. Or you wind up with "50 Shades of Grey."

 

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Well, I don't actually believe grey exists in reality.. Or you wind up with "50 Shades of Grey."

Yes I know that is your perception
Also is a good emoji to describe my overall perception of reality

 

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Yes I know that is your perception

Couldn't resist this completely unrelated song that I thought of when you said this...

Ironic, given what happened to the lead singer...

 

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I think you are a prideful person. I think you think you have grown so much to the point that you think you have exceeded many people you talk to every day. And I think that pride is sin and needs to be dealt with.

When you say this about @meowzician this this makes it impossible to communicate in such a way as to show people you are open minded.

You have made a judgment on her that creates a barrier to understanding both her and the subject.

This is why, this is exactly why I have problems with people who judge others and then expect them to be honest with them.

If you think I for example am a rotten person and you keep insisting I am but then tell you you have the truth of jesus christ then in fact it makes me wonder if you hate me because Jesus and God hates me.

God is supposed to be love and so whether you think you must tell people the truth or not you do not love them as jesus does.

Jesus as I know him never condemns people based on what he thinks of them but has compassion to understand them.

You on the other hand must have her "dealt with". Which means she is somehow a threat to you.

Why?

I can only assume and it is an assumption that because she does not think the same way you do, that she must be evil in your eyes. That because she is evil you can treat her as if she doesn't matter and this creates in her the reasons she cannot tell you anything about herself because she already know you hate her.

If you can only open your eyes?

Why must you preach Jesus if you hate people so much, because i know you wish to discuss the minimum facts of resurrection but when someone disagrees with you you think they are evil? Can you not see how being hated make people not like you or your message?

Why? Why is it you must insist on others accepting your beliefs? I know it is because you do not wish people to go to hell but it is totally wrong to keep telling people they are damned when you don't know. Its hypocrisy. You think you know why @meowzician rejected Christianity and see no other reasons but your own for why. She has been trying to explain why and you do not believe her. She is supposed to believe you as you have the truth in your eyes but then you cannot accept her as who she is. Jesus would not do that.

When you reject people and do not accept them and prejudge them then they will never come to your side.

Who needs to be on your side is just a way of you yourself trying to feel not rejected yourself.
You imagine she is evil so you will not feel rejected.
Consider that she is not rejecting you and then tell me where this feeling you have comes from.

 

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When you say this about @meowzician this this makes it impossible to communicate in such a way as to show people you are open minded.

You have made a judgment on her that creates a barrier to understanding both her and the subject.

This is why, this is exactly why I have problems with people who judge others and then expect them to be honest with them.

If you think I for example am a rotten person and you keep insisting I am but then tell you you have the truth of jesus christ then in fact it makes me wonder if you hate me because Jesus and God hates me.

God is supposed to be love and so whether you think you must tell people the truth or not you do not love them as jesus does.

Jesus as I know him never condemns people based on what he thinks of them but has compassion to understand them.

You on the other hand must have her "dealt with". Which means she is somehow a threat to you.

Why?

I can only assume and it is an assumption that because she does not think the same way you do, that she must be evil in your eyes. That because she is evil you can treat her as if she doesn't matter and this creates in her the reasons she cannot tell you anything about herself because she already know you hate her.

If you can only open your eyes?

Why must you preach Jesus if you hate people so much, because i know you wish to discuss the minimum facts of resurrection but when someone disagrees with you you think they are evil? Can you not see how being hated make people not like you or your message?

Why? Why is it you must insist on others accepting your beliefs? I know it is because you do not wish people to go to hell but it is totally wrong to keep telling people they are damned when you don't know. Its hypocrisy. You think you know why @meowzician rejected Christianity and see no other reasons but your own for why. She has been trying to explain why and you do not believe her. She is supposed to believe you as you have the truth in your eyes but then you cannot accept her as who she is. Jesus would not do that.

When you reject people and do not accept them and prejudge them then they will never come to your side.

Who needs to be on your side is just a way of you yourself trying to feel not rejected yourself.
You imagine she is evil so you will not feel rejected.
Consider that she is not rejecting you and then tell me where this feeling you have comes from.

You don't understand the Gospel... The Gospel is about how we have all sinned separating us from God. If a person does not think they are a sinner, then they have no way to salvation.

I don't judge them because I hate them, but the opposite. You think any moral criticism against someone means I hate them. I am a sinner. I am open about that. That's because I know the standard of righteousness and it sure as heck is not me. I'm a fallen human being. So are you. How do you expect people to repent if they don't think they are a sinner?

Is Jesus just filled with platitudes and encouragement and love and butterflies and rainbows and hearts and kisses? No. He called out sin because he was a prophet. I'm not doing anything unbiblical here. Open your Bible and read Matthew 23.

 

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You don't understand the Gospel... The Gospel is about how we have all sinned separating us from God. If a person does not think they are a sinner, then they have no way to salvation.

I don't judge them because I hate them, but the opposite. You think any moral criticism against someone means I hate them. I am a sinner. I am open about that. That's because I know the standard of righteousness and it sure as heck is not me. I'm a fallen human being. So are you. How do you expect people to repent if they don't think they are a sinner?

Is Jesus just filled with platitudes and encouragement and love and butterflies and rainbows and hearts and kisses? No. He called out sin because he was a prophet. I'm not doing anything unbiblical here. Open your Bible and read Matthew 23.

You are wrong on why she is Jewish.

I do not see anything evil in her for who she is the way you do.

Only God knows 100% but then I am not God and neither are you.

 

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You are wrong on why she is Jewish.

I do not see anything evil in her for who she is the way you do.

Only God knows 100% but then I am not God and neither are you.

Why is it okay for them to say I am behaving morally wrong, but I can't say the same?

 

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Why is it okay for them to say I am behaving morally wrong, but I can't say the same?

Why is being Jewish a sin?

You atributed the wrong thing to the wrong person because being Jewish is not sin.

 

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Why is being Jewish a sin?

You atributed the wrong thing to the wrong person because being Jewish is not sin.

Any time you are not placing your faith in Yeshua is a sin. That can be Christian, Muslim, Jewish, Buddhist, Hindu, whatever else.

The Bible says, "Whatever does not proceed from faith is sin." What's the correct faith? Is there a correct faith from your PoV?

The Bible says, "All who call on the name of the Lord will be saved." That is in the NT and it is talking about Jesus as YHWH.

You are all heart and not enough orthodoxy. You want to love people just like the world loves people today. You can do that if you want, but in Christianity, it doesn't leave you in your sin. It calls out sin and calls you to repent. That was Jesus primary message. Elsewhere, it says, "Repent and believe the Gospel." I'm not saying anything that isn't in the Bible. Maybe you have some kind of progressive Christianity. IDK, but it sure sounds like it. Maybe I should be telling you to repent as well.

 

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Any time you are not placing your faith in Yeshua is a sin. That can be Christian, Muslim, Jewish, Buddhist, Hindu, whatever else.

The Bible says, "Whatever does not proceed from faith is sin." What's the correct faith? Is there a correct faith from your PoV?

The Bible says, "All who call on the name of the Lord will be saved." That is in the NT and it is talking about Jesus as YHWH.

You are all heart and not enough orthodoxy. You want to love people just like the world loves people today. You can do that if you want, but in Christianity, it doesn't leave you in your sin. It calls out sin and calls you to repent. That was Jesus primary message. Elsewhere, it says, "Repent and believe the Gospel." I'm not saying anything that isn't in the Bible. Maybe you have some kind of progressive Christianity. IDK, but it sure sounds like it. Maybe I should be telling you to repent as well.

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I see that you want people to believe in Jesus so they will not sin anymore.

You are going about it all wrong but that is fine because your heart is in the right place.

Have you considered asking her directly if she has repented?

She was a Christian but no one who comes to God ever loses salvation.

Maybe she is just in a tough spot in her faith journey.

 

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I see that you want people to believe in Jesus so they will not sin anymore.

You are going about it all wrong but that is fine because your heart is in the right place.

Have you considered asking her directly if she has repented?

She was a Christian but no one who comes to God ever loses salvation.

Maybe she is just in a tough spot in her faith journey.

People will be sinning their whole life. Paul says, "The good I want to do I don't do and the evil I don't want to do, I do." The battle with sin is a lifelong struggle. You never "arrive" in this life. Even our friend here knows that much. This is why we need to confess and repent of our sins frequently.

IDK what your way of doing it is... Do you even have a way to do it?

If you don't confess Christ, you are not saved unless you come back. Some people never come back. Other people do. In any case, I believe people can forfeit their salvation. There are many warnings about apostasy in the Bible.

IDK if he (his name is Brian), is even in the headspace to reconsider his faith, but it doesn't sound like it. That's not up to me. What is up to me is to speak the Truth. If people have criticisms against me, moral or otherwise, I'll talk about it. You accused me of being prideful some time ago. I reflected a lot on that. I drew some information from it. But I don't think I was being prideful as such.

Conviction ≠ prideful

 

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People will be sinning their whole life. Paul says, "The good I want to do I don't do and the evil I don't want to do, I do." The battle with sin is a lifelong struggle. You never "arrive" in this life. Even our friend here knows that much.

IDK what your way of doing it is... Do you even have a way to do it?

If you don't confess Christ, you are not saved unless you come back. Some people never come back. Other people do. In any case, I believe people can forfeit their salvation. There are many warnings about apostasy in the Bible.

IDK if he (his name is Brian), is even in the headspace to reconsider his faith, but it doesn't sound like it. That's not up to me. What is up to me is to speak the Truth. If people have criticisms against me, moral or otherwise, I'll talk about it. You accused me of being prideful some time ago. I reflected a lot on that. I drew some information from it. But I don't think I was being prideful as such.

Conviction ≠ prideful

I have the opposite view.

If you are saved you are saved.

I also look at peoples actions rather than their words.

Following Jesus is more than just confession, Catholics confess every time they sin and if they don't and miss a confession the go to hell.

That is what I was told.

Therefore I cannot accept that one little thing can send you to hell. You think a bad thought then a car crashes and you die and go to hell.

No not possible.

Even if we have free will Gods will is greater. He uses all things for good. Even doubts. Doubts keep us from becoming not humble.

So its not all about peace and joy. The most beneficial times in a persons life is doubting God.

But then it all comes down to what God wants.

He said he will never abandon you, that means you cannot do anything to pull away.

 

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I have the opposite view.

If you are saved you are saved.

I also look at peoples actions rather than their words.

Following Jesus is more than just confession, Catholics confess every time they sin and if they don't and miss a confession the go to hell.

That is what I was told.

Therefore I cannot accept that one little thing can send you to hell. You think a bad thought then a car crashes and you die and go to hell.

No not possible.

Even if we have free will Gods will is greater. He uses all things for good. Even doubts. Doubts keep us from becoming not humble.

So its not all about peace and joy. The most beneficial times in a persons life is doubting God.

But then it all comes down to what God wants.

He said he will never abandon you, that means you cannot do anything to pull away.

You didn't answer my question to you... why not?

There are many passages against apostasy. There are two in Hebrews alone. I simply take these warnings as real possibilities rather than trying to reinvent what the verses on apostasy means.

I don't believe if you sin one too many times you are out of the kingdom. The Bible talks about a willful hardening of the heart. When you do that, you can quench the Spirit to the point that you reject grace. That's my view but other theologians disagree and it's not an issue worth dividing over. However, if someone outright rejects Christ, no matter you view on eternal security, if they don't repent, they are not saved. This is what pretty much all Christians believe except Free Grace Theology, but Paul puts that theology to rest in Romans 6. Free Grace believes that if you simply make a profession of faith any time in your life, it does not matter what you do at all because you are still saved. Just that your rewards will not be as good. It's a very liberal theology bordering on heresy or might be outright heresy. IDK I can't say everyone who holds to it is damned. What I do know is that throughout almost all of Church history, Free Grace has not been an orthodox view in the Christian faith. Make of that what you will.

 

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You didn't answer my question to you... why not?

There are many passages against apostasy. There are two in Hebrews alone. I simply take these warnings as real possibilities rather than trying to reinvent what the verses on apostasy means.

I don't believe if you sin one too many times you are out of the kingdom. The Bible talks about a willful hardening of the heart. When you do that, you can quench the Spirit to the point that you reject grace. That's my view but other theologians disagree and it's not an issue worth dividing over. However, if someone outright rejects Christ, no matter you view on eternal security, if they don't repent, they are not saved. This is what pretty much all Christians believe except Free Grace Theology, but Paul puts that theology to rest in Romans 6. Free Grace believes that if you simply make a profession of faith any time in your life, it does not matter what you do at all because you are still saved. Just that your rewards will not be as good. It's a very liberal theology bordering on heresy or might be outright heresy. IDK I can't say everyone who holds to it is damned. What I do know is that throughout almost all of Church history, Free Grace has not been an orthodox view in the Christian faith. Make of that what you will.

You asked: "IDK what your way of doing it is... Do you even have a way to do it?"

I can only give an analogy from what I saw as a kid:

The Knight Travellers is the very first animated video in the Adventures in Odyssey series, originally released in 1991. It features a core biblical lesson based on Matthew 6:21: "Where your treasure is, there your heart will be also."

The Plot

• The Conflict: Young Dylan Taylor gets into an argument with his sister over a toy catalog. To teach him a lesson, his father explains the concept of storing up treasures in heaven rather than focusing on material goods on earth.
• The Adventure: Meanwhile, an evil villain named Faustus steals John Avery Whittaker’s (Whit) Imagination Station, intending to turn it into a "Manipulation Station" to control people's minds. Dylan overhears the thieves and is drawn into an adventure that transports him back to the Dark Ages.
• The Climax: To save the day, Dylan learns to apply his father's lesson and must defeat Faustus in a medieval joust.

Dylan knows nothing about the bible other than this verse.

"Where your treasure is, there your heart will be also."

Instead of accepting treasures he saves his friend from an evil person.

I never take legalistic approaches to reading the bible.

I for example never tell people the are going to hell because I don't know.

The bible says that we should walk two miles when aske to walk one.

It never says to accuse people of things we do not know.

We should love our enemies.

But I have no idea why you keep telling people here @meowzician is going to hell or anything else as if you know 100%

I cannot see how you calling out her sins as if you know them is helpful.

Apostasy in my mind would be abandoning a friend.
Not having some crisis of faith that you stop believing stuff about God that may or may not be true.

I do not see material things as wholly, I see people as they need help. To me laws don't matter, the law is written in the heart.

You can condemn people all you want that will never mean you see their hearts.

God sees the heart and that is all that matters.

I think you completely misjudged who this person @meowzician is as a person.

Its sad that most Christians show hate and not love.

I can see nothing, nothing wrong with loving God in the way she does.

I see no hardness in her heart at all.

You kind of don't understand because laws matter to you more than people.

If you happen to feel nothing of yourself then you do not care about yourself.

When people don't care they find ways of making others do what they want instead.

You must convince other to repent but might not have had the understanding that the heart operates on love not words.

Those words you use do not show love. They show that you don't care about yourself.

If you see yourself are worthless you see others as worthless, all judgments then have become distorted by this lack of love you need for yourself. You think you can get love by saying repent sinner to others but in the end you need love more than anyone else from yourself.

Not being loved we try and get it from past behaviors of what we did that worked. Yelling and tantrum we could get attention but not love. So If a person is telling others they are wrong all the time it is because they want attention not truly understanding that love requires patience and creating the safety of a parent who does not abuse their powers over the child.

It is not the job of us to punish others, it is not our job to yell at them call them damned or sinner. We need to know that we ourselves have problems of not getting the attention we needed in the past. Sure we can tell the truth but we are still children if we do not understand what to do to make other better. Acting in our own ways we do not understand how to tend the flock so to speak, we act as a wild man who scares them away.

All one has to do is not be offended when one is rejected.

Instead look at the hurt inside and know it never was the other person who we we battling against but with ourselves.

Deep wounds can heal but its not our job to force others in they way we do because of our pain.

The other person is not the problem.

Sola fide