[Images] The Psychology of Conspiracy Theorists and Theories

[muir]

My intuition is telling me that you're intuition is leading you astray.

Seriously, you are arrogant, you can't deny it. I have read all of this and a lot of it is just sociological dynamics and psychological dynamics that have always existed in human nature, with people vying for power and control, but then you pretty it up and make it sound even more sinister than it is with talk about magic and machines...etc... All your talk about 'years of research' means squat. I have years of research under my belt and my conclusion is different than yours. Maybe I'm arrogant also, or maybe I trust my intuition more than I trust any anonymous person online, but I choose to believe my own research over your 'word' that you know the truth. I actually never trust anybody's word on anything. I have to make up my own mind, which has pissed off many people, but I don't care because I won't believe just because you want me to.

I'm not really too worried about if someone is 'arrogant' or not, what i'm interested in is whether or not their information is good

My posts are packed full of good information

On top of that i have a proven track record of making goof forecasts about the future

You have no track record yet so at the moment your words sound like hot air

I don't need to blow hot air, my posts and predictions speak for themselves

 

[muir]

How do you know that he wasn't suicided? (ie murdered by the cabal)

They may have shot him or driven him to it

The same things have been said about aaron schwartz

Then there was the DC Madam who ran that escort agency and was going to expose a bunch of high ranking US politicians but she was found hanging in her mothers shed; shortly before that she had gone on the alex jones show and said expressly that she was NOT going to kill herself

She features in this youtube clip of 911 witnesses who have died mysteriously since the 911 cover up

[video=youtube;suQitX2GmTU]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=suQitX2GmTU[/video]

 

[La Sagna]

I'm not really too worried about if someone is 'arrogant' or not, what i'm interested in is whether or not their information is good

My posts are packed full of good information

On top of that i have a proven track record of making goof forecasts about the future

You have no track record yet so at the moment your words sound like hot air

I don't need to blow hot air, my posts and predictions speak for themselves

I'm not claiming anything except that I'm not blindly believing everything that you are claiming. I don't see how that is hot air. I read your post and found some claims to sound exaggerated and for which you have not provided any credible proof or backing except your supposed expertise on these matters. I don't know who the hell you are why would I believe you when you say you are an expert on anything?

It doesn't matter anyway. I don't spend time predicting things and as I have stated many times because there is some truth to what you claim doesn't mean that everything you claim is true. I bet you that there has been plenty that you have predicted that hasn't come true either. When somebody is not willing to openly debate their ideas and would rather we just swallow whatever they claim whole without question and without being willing to provide adequate and credible backing then it calls into question that they really know what they're talking about.

Funny enough, I'm one of the people who is willing to investigate and look into every possibility and sniff out the truth, which means I don't believe all the media and governments want us to believe. But this also means that I do the same with your information and so far I have found some to be based on some amount of fact but then much of it to be mere conjecture.

 

[Eventhorizon]

I'm not really too worried about if someone is 'arrogant' or not, what i'm interested in is whether or not their information is good

My posts are packed full of good information

On top of that i have a proven track record of making goof forecasts about the future

You have no track record yet so at the moment your words sound like hot air

I don't need to blow hot air, my posts and predictions speak for themselves

Muir you have ABSOLUTELY no concern if the information you find is good or not. Good perhaps from the perspective that it supports what you want it to support but certainly not on if its based on fact or truth. They very idea you would say anything like that and expect anyone here to buyI into it is laughable.

And no your posts arent full of good information. They are full of conjecture, speculation and hearsay.

 

[Peppermint]

The problem with conspiracy theorists is that they just mix in too much bs in with whatever sound points they might have that it makes people not take them seriously. The other thing is that their zealous, impenetrable attitudes further alienate them from people. They don't know how to efficiently communicate the important information they feel they have, by making it needlessly convoluted and expecting people to ingest massive amounts of information without concern for making it appealing and digestible for the other side. They're also biased toward certain sources of information, even though want to think they're not, and they will discount "official" science and information without looking at it with a critical eye much like they accuse others of dismissing them for being a "conspiracy theorist".

 

[muir]

Muir you have ABSOLUTELY no concern if the information you find is good or not. Good perhaps from the perspective that it supports what you want it to support but certainly not on if its based on fact or truth. They very idea you would say anything like that and expect anyone here to buyI into it is laughable.

And no your posts arent full of good information. They are full of conjecture, speculation and here say.

You only think that because you don't have as much knowledge

Now that is going to sound 'arrogant' but it is simply the truth

This is why my posts on this forum have charted massive social changes correctly over many years

For example i say that the police are being militarised and that they will clash with the public and then we see fergusson kick off!

I said we are going to see a rise in protest like in the 1960's and then we see protests kick off all around the world

The problem is not the arrogance of so called 'conspiracy theorists' the problem is the arrogance of the naysayers who seem to think that because they don't know what is going on no one knows

lol

But you're wrong...some of us have been paying more attention then you and we do know what is going on

Now you can continue to waste my time with your empty words on this or you can get down to what is important and that is the INFORMATION

if you want to discredit me (because of your personal vendetta) then go to the information

Look at what i'm saying and see if you find any fault in it. Also if you monitor it over time you will be able to see if i am accurate in what i'm saying or not

 

[muir]

The problem with conspiracy theorists is that they just mix in too much bs in with whatever sound points they might have that it makes people not take them seriously. The other thing is that their zealous, impenetrable attitudes further alienate them from people. They don't know how to efficiently communicate the important information they feel they have, by making it needlessly convoluted and expecting people to ingest massive amounts of information without concern for making it appealing and digestible for the other side. They're also biased toward certain sources of information, even though want to think they're not, and they will discount "official" science and information without looking at it with a critical eye much like they accuse others of dismissing them for being a "conspiracy theorist".

Ok...so above an example of that would be Lasagna accusing me of clouding the good information i'm providing with mumbo jumbo about 'magick'

However I know that magick plays a part in the process so if i want to be a genuine truth seeker i have to follow the truth wherever it goes

if by following the truth it tells me that the royal family are the head of the 'order of the garter' which is a network of covens each made up of 13 people which are a remnant of the old sacrifical religions going back in Britain to the druids, then that is where i must go

So i talked about all this and said there was ritual abuse of children going on in the upper echelons of british society YEARS AGO on this forum for example in my blog 'chapel perilous' which even pre-dates my thread of the issues society is not talking about in the 'news' section

I spoke about that abuse and then it exploded onto the mainstream news where we have seen revelation after revelation about abuse by politicians, businessmen and royals in the mainstream UK press and yet NO ARRESTS

We've seen an inquiry started which even establishment insiders admit is set up to fail and yet despite being right about this and countless other things there are still some people here saying i don't know what i'm talking about

rofl

Could it be that they have not been paying attention to my posts and that's why they don't realise how many predictions i have made that have then come true?

here's the reality of the situation....if you want to know what the mainstream media will be talking about in 6 months to a years time then read my posts

 

[muir]

I'm not claiming anything except that I'm not blindly believing everything that you are claiming. I don't see how that is hot air. I read your post and found some claims to sound exaggerated and for which you have not provided any credible proof or backing except your supposed expertise on these matters. I don't know who the hell you are why would I believe you when you say you are an expert on anything?

It doesn't matter anyway. I don't spend time predicting things and as I have stated many times because there is some truth to what you claim doesn't mean that everything you claim is true. I bet you that there has been plenty that you have predicted that hasn't come true either. When somebody is not willing to openly debate their ideas and would rather we just swallow whatever they claim whole without question and without being willing to provide adequate and credible backing then it calls into question that they really know what they're talking about.

Funny enough, I'm one of the people who is willing to investigate and look into every possibility and sniff out the truth, which means I don't believe all the media and governments want us to believe. But this also means that I do the same with your information and so far I have found some to be based on some amount of fact but then much of it to be mere conjecture.

You shouldn't believe everything you hear without researching into it further...so that's a good attitude to have

But it's only a starting point...next you have to DO THE RESEARCH

So i stopped believing everything i was being told about 20 years ago and have been doing my own research ever since

And what i'm now doing is sharing what i have found out

And i keep being right again and again and this is because i am not looking at the surface of events like most people, i am looking at the underlying causes of events

So something i post might seem like 'conjecture' to you, but i'm saying it because i have a whole load of information you are currently unaware of

So if you see me saying something that YOU DO NOT YET UNDERSTAND then ask me about it and i'll show you why it is so

 

[muir]

The common theme with naysayers is that they seem to be LAZY in the sense that they would prefer to attack people who are presenting dissenting opinion rather than put the effort into finding out what they are saying and why they are saying it

It's basically lazyness

 

[La Sagna]

The common theme with naysayers is that they seem to be LAZY in the sense that they would prefer to attack people who are presenting dissenting opinion rather than put the effort into finding out what they are saying and why they are saying it

It's basically lazyness

Funny, that is exactly what people are criticizing you for doing. I have never attacked you personally and yet you have attacked me instead of answering my points.

Let me ask you something, now that even Republicans are openly saying that the war on Iraq was a mistake since there were no 'weapons of mass destruction', why didn't they just plant some to give them the validation for the war and keep them from looking stupid? You would think that if they can have masterminded 911 that merely planting a few weapons of mass destruction would have been a cinch.

 

[invisible]

Funny, that is exactly what people are criticizing you for doing. I have never attacked you personally and yet you have attacked me instead of answering my points.

once i told muir that it was inappropriate that he was delving into the personality of another member, and making accusations about the supposed inner motivations and beliefs of that member. i think i said that this constituted an ad hominem argument style. in return, he informed me that it was in fact me who was attacking him personally by pointing this out about the argument style he used, and simply proceeded to persist in his aggressive interrogation of the personality of the other member. since he was paying no attention to what i said, i decided that i would no longer pay any attention to him either.

 

[Stu]

Originally Posted by muir
Yeah but what do you say to what they're saying?

For example invisible said he had had mental health problems in the past but now he believes that anyone who believes in any theory of a conspiracy is insane

So he just called you insane! (he also called eventhorizon and just me insane too because they are also conspiracy theorists)

While stu thinks you have low self esteem

So what should I care that one person has that opinion?
I know all about how information is spread and how one opinion can become many.
But…seriously, I could give a rat’s ass what one person may think of me.
Besides…who could really judge a person online having never met them IRL…it’s silly.

[video=youtube;7WZ33w3B8Hw]https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=7WZ33w3B8Hw[/video]

I don't know if the statement in bold is based on something I said, but for the record, I do not think you have low self esteem, on the contrary I kinda admire you. Anything I said to the contrary I regret, however given the source of that information.....

 

[invisible]

actually i didnt call anyone anything at all.

 

[invisible]

and as for what i may or may not believe, who gives a fucking shit?

 

[Skarekrow]

I don't know if the statement in bold is based on something I said, but for the record, I do not think you have low self esteem, on the contrary I kinda admire you. Anything I said to the contrary I regret, however given the source of that information.....

The thought never crossed my mind.
I understand the point he was trying to make, but it’s hearsay firstly, and secondly, everyone is entitled to their opinions.
Doesn’t mean I or someone else won’t challenge you/them on something you say….but at the end of the day, it doesn't keep me awake…haha.

I’ve never had a problem with you Stu, we haven’t talked much, but I have always had a good opinion of you Sir.

 

[muir]

Funny, that is exactly what people are criticizing you for doing. I have never attacked you personally and yet you have attacked me instead of answering my points.

Let me ask you something, now that even Republicans are openly saying that the war on Iraq was a mistake since there were no 'weapons of mass destruction', why didn't they just plant some to give them the validation for the war and keep them from looking stupid? You would think that if they can have masterminded 911 that merely planting a few weapons of mass destruction would have been a cinch.

Because they rely on people being ignorant enough to fall for their lies

But basically they only needed to carry the lie for long enough to invade Iraq.....the lie was to justify the invasion

Once the lie is exposed, the news has moved on and so has peoples attention

Sadly a section of the public doesn't seem to learn each time and forgets that their government lies about everything

I don't forget so i get called a 'conspiracy theorist' by that forgetful section of the public who bizarrely like to act as the thought police for the government

Had it occured to you that the media eventually tells us about this stuff because online bloggers like me force their hand by being honest and brave enough to speak out?

 

[muir]

once i told muir that it was inappropriate that he was delving into the personality of another member, and making accusations about the supposed inner motivations and beliefs of that member. i think i said that this constituted an ad hominem argument style. in return, he informed me that it was in fact me who was attacking him personally by pointing this out about the argument style he used, and simply proceeded to persist in his aggressive interrogation of the personality of the other member. since he was paying no attention to what i said, i decided that i would no longer pay any attention to him either.

You are of course once again trying to attack my character and not the information i give

lol

Its incredible that you can't seem to realise what you are doing

You just attack me personally again and again and again

 

[muir]

I don't know if the statement in bold is based on something I said, but for the record, I do not think you have low self esteem, on the contrary I kinda admire you. Anything I said to the contrary I regret, however given the source of that information.....

You posted an article above saying that conspiracy theorists have low self esteem
[MENTION=5045]Skarekrow[/MENTION] said he was a conspiracy theorist therefore by your definition he has low self esteem

 

[muir]

and as for what i may or may not believe, who gives a fucking shit?

You are entitled to your own opinion but not your own facts

This is a public forum and if i disagree with you i can say so

 

[Y0u]

Conflating theories of conspiracy with the farthest out there ideas about God only knows what is double plus Orwell. Conspiracies, large and small, make up politics... the government isn't very transparent, or at least publicized beyond the narrative of being personality driven. When was the last time they talked about lobbyists in the mainstream media? I doubt the corporations/interests spend huge sums expecting/getting nothing in return. There's the tip of the iceberg. You don't hear about the inner workings of the bureaucracies which are responsible for most of the things the government does... is it really so far fetched to think that there are things going on behind the scenes? When they act together, which they surely must in order to do whatever, you have yourself a conspiracy. We only know of the ones from before the FOIA had its teeth pulled out. That's not even close to crazy. And, if you think the government hasn't been covering up stuff about ufos, you haven't looked into it. Again, with so little public information, it wouldn't be unexpected for theories of what's going on to occasionally totally miss the mark. Combine that with disinformation campaigns and you've got so much noise that it's hard to pick out the crazy from the not crazy, and that just might tend to get people crazy. It seems like it should be so simple to just be decent to each other and leave each other be if they're not hurting someone... expecting decency seems to be where all of my political ideas go wrong. *sigh*