http://money.cnn.com/news/storysupplement/economy/bailouttracker/
^^Here you can actually see how much has been committed as well as how much has been spent in the different sectors. If you look at where the majority of the money has gone so far, it has mostly been towards buying out the bad loans (which were going to cause a complete collapse of the economy because nobody could pay them). Another large amount went into infrastructure programs and social benefits. Mostly, the money was given to the areas most in need-- strategically administered to restart growth. Most of what was bought up was bad debt, mortgages, etc… most of the money actually benefitted the middle and lower class. Just because life isn't spontaneously bountiful or even as good as it was during the bubble doesn't mean it isn't better than it could have been. And yes, you cannot restore an economy without making money for wealthy investors-- if wealthy investors stop making money, then money stops flowing, and
everyone is screwed… your bank is screwed, your job is screwed, your house is screwed, your savings-- everything is going to be worthless if rich people stop trading. There's nothing you can do about that short of a revolution… and we've already talked enough about that.
Yes paying off bad loans ie the money went to the global investors
Look the super rich didn't get where they are by fair play that's the first thing to understand
Society is split into two groups: those who work for a living (the working class) and those that live off their investments (the capitalist class)
The capitalist class have used deception to circumvent democracy for example the creation of the federal reserve act in secret in jekyll island before getting it passed in an abandoned congress (they'd left for recess)
These guys got rich by funding both sides in wars and by orchestrating financial crashes so that they could then justify their argument for central banks (which were supposed to make things more stable but didn't)
We're talking about people who fund political parties, who fund politicians, who assassinate political opponents, who profit from war, who use their ill gotten gains (see all the banking scandals for example LIBOR rigging, MF Global, packaging toxic assets as triple A, laundering drug money, the London Whale etc) to lobby politicians and intimidate people to get their way
Because they behave like this they have created a system that funnels all the wealth away from the workers and to themselves hence the chant of 'we are the 99%' by the occupy movement
This system sees them get all the wealth which in turn has given them greater influence (they can behave however they like because they are ''too big to fail'') so that they have gained control over the levers of power. They control the political system and hold stage managed elections periodically where the public can vote for a couple of parties that are both bought lock stock and barrel by the capitalist class
There is only one party in the US: the business party and that is controlled by the capitalist class not the working class. The politicians thmselves are little more than middle management figures
You're 'bailout tracker' won't show off the book transactions and it won't tell you who the global creditors who got the bank bailout money are: the Rothschilds, the Rockefellers, the warburgs, the schiffs etc
Here is economist Prof Michael Hudson explaining that the debts should have been written down to the ability to pay but instead of that the corrupt politicians (whose political careers are paid for by the capitalist class) used public money to bailout the criminal banks. The bailouts should not have happened and just serve to show who the real constituency of the politicians are which is the capitalist class not the real economy of production and consumption which serves the workers:
[video=youtube;wvOlDlYlOIU]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wvOlDlYlOIU[/video]
There's also this:
http://www.politifact.com/new-hamps...-obama-says-banks-paid-back-all-federal-bail/
ALL of the big banks have paid back their loans, as well as paying dividends to the government-- the bailout is mostly a success and the government has actually
made money on them. Is it really so implausible to suggest that perhaps the reason that big business likes Obama is because saving the economy is actually good for business??? Sure, the smaller banks have been struggling, but the smaller banks were probably never going to survive a cataclysm like this anyways. This is from a political fact-checking website… you'll probably want to discredit them as puppets and say that they've got nothing on lizard-man alien big Jewry Freemason Illuminati cabal schizophrenic number 75362, who uses mafia movie soundtracks in his youtube videos about politics-- but I feel pretty confident that they're not full of shit.
No the banks haven't paid back all the bailouts (see my next post for more info)
You're not realising how the system works. The big banks are owned by the same people who own the federal reserve!!!!
Of course the little banks will be screwed whilst the big banks get richer because they are the same entity as the Obama government and the federal reserve bank. Wake up man, you are living in a fantasy land that the media has created for you
Here's a good documentary called 'money masters' that will shed some more light for you on the history of the US. It was made in 1996 and accurately predicted the global economic crash:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HfpO-WBz_mw
It is very easy for confidence to go down and another crash to happen-- and inflation is definitely a problem. The interest rates have to go back up eventually, but the problem is that debt in general hasn't gone down. But there is absolutely no non-paranoid reason to suspect that there is definitely going to be a cataclysm, especially since investor confidence is currently very high and the fiscal cliff deal passed. If all goes well there will be a full recovery within a few years… possibly even next year. Things have been slowly crawling back up to normal for the past year or so. The only reason that people continue to scream disaster is because it's the surest way to get people like you to pay attention to them.
You have completely ignored the clips i've sent of experts saying the opposite! If you won't listen to people that clearly know far more than you about these issues then why would you listen to a stranger on a forum...in which case this is a waste of time
There is every reason to realsie that the dollars day as the world reserve currency is coming to an end. There is not going to be a 'recovery' in the next few years. You don't need to take my word for this you just have to keep your eyes on your economy and the argument will be decided out of our discussion
Because we're in a recession.
No you're in a depression
You can't just say there's a monumental shift and then that's evidence of a cabal plot!!!! You have to look at the shift and ask yourself if it's suspicious/artificial, or if it's natural… and in this case it's perfectly, utterly, completely natural.
If by natural you mean caused by the actions of a small group of powerful people then yes its 'natural'
Go back in history....you will find the Rothschild banking dynasty forming and spreading across Europe with Meyer Amschel Rothschilds 4 sons who set up banking houses across Europe. These bankers intermarried with their fellow german bankers such as the warburgs and Schiffs. They grew extremely rich funding both sides in wars and intriguing through a variety of secret societies such as adam weishaupts 'illuminati' and the hermetic order of the golden dawn as well as infiltrating freemasonry.
They benefitted form slavery, colonialism and war and they funded people like Cecil Rhodes to set up the De Beers diamond company. Rhodes then helped instigate the Boer war in which concentration camps were invented
Rhodes became one of the richest men on the planet and he used his wealth to set up the Round Table group as a secret society network. From this group which researcher Prof.Caroll Quigley called the 'Milner Group' sprang the Council on Foreign Relations and its UK equivalent Chatham House which dominate the foreign policy of the UK and US (whose foreign policy has revolved around a state of perpetual war because the bankers profiteer from that)
This is what Rhodes said in his will:
''To and for the establishment, promotion and development of a Secret Society, the true aim and object whereof shall be for the extension of British rule throughout the world, the perfecting of a system of emigration from the United Kingdom, and of colonisation by British subjects of all lands where the means of livelihood are attainable by energy, labour and enterprise, and especially the occupation by British settlers of the entire Continent of Africa, the
Holy Land, the Valley of the
Euphrates, the Islands of
Cyprus and
Candia, the whole of South America, the
Islands of the Pacific not heretofore possessed by Great Britain, the whole of the
Malay Archipelago, the seaboard of China and Japan, the ultimate recovery of the United States of America as an integral part of the British Empire, the inauguration of a system of Colonial representation in the Imperial Parliament which may tend to weld together the disjointed members of the Empire and, finally, the foundation of so great a Power as to render wars impossible, and promote the best interests of humanity.
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These guys own the big banks and the central banks like the bank of england and the federal resevre and they control the economy
They set up central banks and as Benjamin Franklin said (in the quote i posted above) it was their influence through the bank of england that the american revolutionarys where trying to throw off but the bankers managed over a couple of hundred years to take control again
I know its a nice comfortable reality to believe that there isn't a cabal of international bankers but there is one
This isn't something that is being forced on the world in any way and is a natural product of the money flow away from expensive, unionized labor and towards cheaper, exploitative labor… markets need to expand in order for the investors to make a profit, so of course they're going to be looking for alternative markets.
No the cabal has sought to control the global economy through: gunboat diplomacy (these days it is tomahawk diplomacy), through changing the rules when they want for example deregulation and depegging from gold, treaties such as GATT and through global institutions of control such as the IMF and world bank, through global networks of secret societies and through covert means such as assassinations and intimidations (for exmaple overthrowing democratically elected governments) and by creating the Bretton Woods agreement which made the dollar the reserve currency allowing them huge advantages over other countries, leading inevitably to resentment.
These guys have been fighting a dirty war that has kept democracy down at home and abroad, has left to massive economic imbalance at home and abroad and massive poverty around the world, not to mention huge instability around the world (they also cast the nuclear shadow over the world)
The developing world has nowhere to go but up… and it's just so much cheaper and easier to do business abroad that investors and entrepreneurs and corporations are expanding into the developing world because they've realized that it's actually sound business, and that you can make as much from 100 poor people as you can from 1 rich person, if you have the right product.
No they've done it to exploit cheap non unionised labour that they can treat as slave labour with terrible safety records not to mention all the polluting they can do abroad without being fined....they're a menace to humanity and to the environment and their sick way of life needs to end
If you think there's something sinister about the leaders of the western world trying to protect their own workforces and their own economies, or that it's unnatural for someone to be afraid of what it probably going to mean the deterioration of their future generations' living standards (not because of the cabal, please don't say it's because of the cabal… I've already said why it's going to happen) due to cheap overseas labor, a lack of manufacturing, customer service, etc… , then exactly what is natural? Is it natural for them to just say-- oh well, we had a good run… let's let Africa have their turn!
Why do you think there is cheap labour abroad? The capitalist class raped the world through imperialism ripping the economic heart out of many countries; this has left them as easy prey for the cabal
Countries… actually, people in general, tend to look after themselves first… you're not going to give a stranger $1000 to feed his kids if you can't feed your own. It really is that simple, and I don't know how you keep missing this point.
No people look after their families and friends. the cabal look after themselves first and what we the people need to decide is whether or not we are happy to let them continue playing their personal game of monopoly that is wreaking havoc across the world
I don't think he's a member of the cabal, and if he is, then he still has legitimate reason to be concerned. We ALL have legitimate reason to be concerned… and that means you. If the wealth moves into the third world, then that means we're not going to be enjoying the same living standards that we grew up with, or that our parents enjoyed. Maybe you welcome this??? And before you say that you only want what's fair, ask yourself if you honestly think that the average person in the world is actually willing to give up their current standard of living so that someone that they will never know on the other side of the world can enjoy a better one. This isn't just charity we're talking about, this is your health, your happiness, your employment opportunities, everything… your entire life changed, and not in a good way. For most people, you might as well just be taking things away from them and throwing them in the garbage.
I don't think people in the west are that healthy and happy
I think a more even and peaceful world would be better for everyone.
If our economy fails because the cabal have bred generations of workers who lack a competitive edge in the global market then thats the cabals failure in their aggresive social engineering.
Personally i think we should change to anarchist communism and greater cooperation
This person is having a completely normal reaction to a situation that concerns everyone he knows, as well as our entire way of life and that of generations to come… just because he's afraid and happens to be influential does not mean that his reaction is unnatural-- in fact, I'm currently having the same reaction as he is!
He's reaping what he and his murdering, theiving buddies have sown; if they had pursued a fairer policy towards the people of the world they would not have created the mayhem they have
And there is absolutely no advantage to hoarding wealth. None. When you hoard wealth, you hurt everyone including yourself. And anyways, I thought you said they were trying to gain more wealth? How can they be gaining wealth if they're hoarding money? Money needs to be in motion in order to make more money-- if you're hoarding it, everything stops for you, and if you're rich enough, then a good chunk of the economy stops as well.
These guys control the supply of money
They are stopping the flow of money. They are using their wealth to buy up hard assets so that they will own every tangible thing of value
Sort of like if I were to stop posting, then this entire discussion would dwindle down to nothing… which it probably should, because I really do have to question whether or not I'm actually profiting from it (though I am reading up on things I otherwise wouldn't be, so that's some degree of profit I suppose)…
It doesn't seem like you have been looking at any of the evidence i've been presenting
