Trump VS Trump

Eventhorizon said:
The only potential saving grace of Trump is his success. Whether or not he claimed bankruptcy regarding some of his companies, he still figured out how to come back from that. Also I think most should know the most important part of a leader and by relation a President is the ability to put together a team that makes things work. A President first and foremost (a good President) 8s a team builder.
Ah wtf am I saying. ..we are all doomed.
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There a lot of people who are able to do what Trump does. That doesn't mean they should be President.
 
Stu said:
It is impressive the way he simply ignores the status quo republicans. The GOP is going through a wood chipper right now.

I can not help but think that their uncompromising attitude toward O'Bama and their tacit approval of the vitriol spewed against him (the birther, muslim stuff) has become the force that is tearing them apart.

The GOP has been the only thing stopping America from embracing socialist values. Very Curious as to what will unfold.
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They will adapt or die. But they will probably die first.
 
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Skarekrow said:
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The visual equivalent to voting for Donald Drumph​
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This is how I feel about this entire election.
 
President is the ability to put together a team that makes things work. A President first and foremost (a good President) 8s a team builder.
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On March 8, Morning Joe's Mika Brzezinski asked Donald Trump whether he had a foreign policy team. Trump gave a rambling response, saying, "Yes, there is a team. There's not a team. I'm going to be forming a team. I have met with far more than three people." On Wednesday morning, Brzezinski gave Trump another shot at the question. She asked him again about his foreign policy team and strategy and, more specifically, whom he consults with consistently.

Trump replied: "I'm speaking with myself, number one, because I have a very good brain and I've said a lot of things. I know what I'm doing, and I listen to a lot of people, I talk to a lot of people, and at the appropriate time I'll tell you who the people are. But my primary consultant is myself and I have, you know, a good instinct for this stuff But my primary consultant is myself and I have, you know, a good instinct for this stuff."
 
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dang said:
Check out the civil war thread. Bush's legacy.
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The sad thing is there is a good swath of loudmouth Murica that is creaming their jeans over the thought of a Civil War to reimpose their “moral” values on the rest of us.
Boy...I can’t fucking wait.
 
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the Alfred E. Smith Memorial Foundation was created to support children in need. And this year, as in the past, the two major-party candidates for President were on the dais at the Al Smith Memorial Dinner, the Foundation’s principal fund-raiser, where they were to show, in the words of the invitation, “light humor and political savvy.”
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at 10:30 he turns nasty.
 
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I laugh at this every time
 
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sprinkles said:
There a lot of people who are able to do what Trump does. That doesn't mean they should be President.
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Can you give me the names of people you think should be President? I have a handful myself and thats it. Its likely those people never will be President because someone once said, "..anyone who is capable of getting themselves made President should on no account be allowed to do the job.”


All I am trying to do is look at positives past the obvious one of keeping the greater evil (by far) out. I am annoyed by the made up narrative the media is dishing out and that their followers are eating up. In the end, people believe what they want. More often then not whatever that is tends to be devoid of fact and reason. All of these people thinking that Hillary of all people would look out for their interests more so than Trump. In the end all who voted are Americans (absent the illegals of course) and all have a vested interest in seeing America prosper.
 
I think it's great that Trump negotiated a deal with Carrier to keep 1000 jobs in America. But I am very interested in the details. Either way, 1000 jobs saved is a good thing.

But, that doesn't change the very real fact that Trump is and will always be a con man. And this deal falls right in line with what a con man would do in his situation.

Yes, he won the electorial college, but he did not win the popular vote. BY A LOT. And this bothers him to know that there are more people than not who did not buy into his act. People are protesting, businesses want nothing to do with his name, his daughter is losing business, etc. People do not like him and this bothers his ego and his need to feel important. He goes on and on about how he won, but deep down he knows the truth. So the con man in him says, 'what can I do NOW to win favor with some of the haters? What can I pull off NOW that I can use to throw in peoples faces in the future for whenever I fuck up?'

So he goes with what he knows. Negotiate a deal that will benefit the voters that think he can do no wrong. This will make them happy and further enforce their loyalty while making the non-supporters say, "that was good". And jobs is something everyone cares about. How could anyone say anything negative about this small win? You can't. But when you consider the person behind the deal, you must question everything involved.

And in no way am I trying to downplay the fact that he kept 1000 jobs in the U.S., but I think we need to consider everything he has said and done as a whole to really truly understand why he had to do this now. It was crucial. Something to quiet some of the haters and strengthen the voices of the supporters. He needs to hear how great he is because he feeds off of it. Without it, he wouldn't be able to perform.

Unfortunately, I don't think he completely thought this one through. In the long run, this may hurt him.

'If he can do it for 1000 people, why won't he do it for us?' Now everyone in danger of losing their jobs to Mexico or for whatever reason will be contacting the White House looking for a similar deal to be made for them. But what was said or done to make this deal happen? I have a bad feeling that it won't be beneficial to the american people in the long run.
 
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Im glad that Trump won against Hillary. I am glad that Trump seems to be building a good cabinet and administration with the choices hes making. Romney is an interesting choice and I think it goes a long way toward showing hes more interested in finding people that can do the job rather than caring about people who disagree with him.

Saving 1000 jobs though... this is a big pile of horse crap thats being shoved down peoples throats by the far right. 1000 jobs is nothing. There are almost 400 million people in the US, 1000 jobs? Seriously? Why am I hearing about this? Its almost comical.
 
Eventhorizon said:
Im glad that Trump won against Hillary. I am glad that Trump seems to be building a good cabinet and administration with the choices hes making. Romney is an interesting choice and I think it goes a long way toward showing hes more interested in finding people that can do the job rather than caring about people who disagree with him.

Saving 1000 jobs though... this is a big pile of horse crap thats being shoved down peoples throats by the far right. 1000 jobs is nothing. There are almost 400 million people in the US, 1000 jobs? Seriously? Why am I hearing about this? Its almost comical.
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He did it by offering $7M in "incentives" or tax breaks over 10 years. Indiana tax payers will foot that bill. He basically gave Carrier what Carrier had been asking for all along. Sure you can keep a few jobs in the US if you give corporations everything they want. This is a win for those 1000 families who can keep their jobs and for Carrier, but in the long run, sets a bad precedent for corporations threatening to leave. And I am happy those 1000 people won't lose their job. I have been in that scary position. But we can't keep subsidizing these corporations.
 
acd said:
He did it by offering $7M in "incentives" or tax breaks over 10 years. Indiana tax payers will foot that bill. He basically gave Carrier what Carrier had been asking for all along. Sure you can keep a few jobs in the US if you give corporations everything they want. This is a win for those 1000 families who can keep their jobs and for Carrier, but in the long run, sets a bad precedent for corporations threatening to leave. And I am happy those 1000 people won't lose their job. I have been in that scary position. But we can't keep subsidizing these corporations.
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Proof? My understanding is that he threatened to tax any of their goods coming back into the US by 35%
 
Eventhorizon said:
Proof? My understanding is that he threatened to tax any of their goods coming back into the US by 35%
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I guess my proof would be every news source who has reported on this? I have not read or heard anything about him threatening Carrier with a 35% tariff. Maybe that was pre-election Trump you are thinking of.
 
acd said:
I guess my proof would be every news source who has reported on this? I have not read or heard anything about him threatening Carrier with a 35% tariff. Maybe that was pre-election Trump you are thinking of.
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Ok..can you give me a link? I listen to CNN msnbc and fox and I have never heard mention of this.
 
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