Trump will win again

Sometimes Yeah said:
I've seen this on the news. What's the significance of this? I don't get it.
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Because he lied.
When all this first stated he called it a "Democratic hoax" said it would "go away on it's own by April"...refused to wear a mask and inform the public that listens to him (his followers that believe his dribble) that the virus was something to take seriously.
Saying he didn't want to cause a panic is disingenuous...he doesn't care about causing a panic or not in regards to the American people.....the only panic he was trying to avoid was panic in regards to his precious stock market.
He knew it was far more dangerous and deadly than he would admit to publicly and consequently his followers didn't take it seriously either or take proper precautions like wearing a mask or social distancing seriously.
It's a deadly dereliction of duty and could have potentially spared the lives of countless people...not to mention brought the long drawn out explosion of the virus here in the US under control like every other rational country did.
 
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Still waiting for Trump to state this whole "Bible thing" is a hoax made up by libtard dems to help Sleepy Joe steal the election.
 
I think what frustrates me the most about all of this is that I don't understand why we are constantly having conversations about the merits of the politicians rather than the cause of the politician in the first place.

We (hypothetically) do not live in a dystopian authoritarian government, America has voting privileges at therefore it's citizens elect the politicians.

There seems to be a cognitive dissonance here that is directly influenced by what politics you believe. Each side believes that not only they're right, but that the other side is so awful that no one could possibly believe the things unless they were fundamentally evil.

I don't see how this is constructive. I know I harp about this again and again but I don't understand why so many intelligent people fall prey to this polarization. I really don't understand.

There are hundreds of posts being critical of trump, often emotionally fueled, without ever addressing the actual underlying cause.

Trump is a symbol of something greater. People voted for trump. I think people are upset to realize that their vision of what they think other Americans believe and want and care about is wrong.

And then all of these assumptions are made about why people voted for trump that, again, amount to character assassination with no actual depth or intellectual honest given as to non derogatory reasons why people may have voted for trump.

Why do you guys want to live in this world where there is no nuance, where we have one bad guy to defeat instead of a culture of a nation that has to be addressed that might actually be stemming from legitimate concerns of people who are ordinary, non evil people? Is it because it's easier and makes you feel better? Is there some inability to see what I'm talking about, like black and white thinking that makes it just impossible to have an understanding of the root causes of this?

You cannot solve a problem without addressing the root. You just can't. It's like dandelions; if you just pull them from the ground they will grow back. You have to get a hand shovel and dig to the root and pull it up and it will not grow back again. But I see such superficiality in these conversations. For those of you who consider yourself such intuitives, this discourse is constantly disappointing. There are never new angles. There is never curious thoughtful analysis of American culture and why the American people want trump to win. It is mostly vitriol and slamming the side you don't agree with.

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@slant I mostly agree with you. I’ve been typing up an article about the root causes behind why Trump won and being the perfectionist that I am, it’s taking me awhile to finish. It’s basically an analysis of populism and the resulting democratic backsliding. Also, how K-12 public education is failing to teach us critical thinking skills so we all don’t fall victim to propaganda and conspiracies.
 
doppy said:
@slant I mostly agree with you. I’ve been typing up an article about the root causes behind why Trump won and being the perfectionist that I am, it’s taking me awhile to finish. It’s basically an analysis of populism and the resulting democratic backsliding. Also, how K-12 public education is failing to teach us critical thinking skills so we all don’t fall victim to propaganda and conspiracies.
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This sounds amazing
 
slant said:
This sounds amazing
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I hope it will be. I did forget to add that people that support Trump do not always do so in good faith. There are so many of them that are trying to win a culture war at any cost. I believe this article here best explains about how I feel about those Trump supporters that come in bad faith.
 
4 years ago I found it incomprehensible how Trump got elected. Hillary was such an obvious choice and yet she lost somehow, creating shock-waves around the world. The media and analysts did not provide any good answers - maybe it were russian bots who brainwashed people through social networks, or maybe only the stupid / uneducated / ignorant have voted for him. That was not very convincing as I've personally known some intelligent people who have voted for Trump. So I've felt curious to explore the topic myself.

Long story short, now I believe that the single most important issue that enabled Trump to come to power was (and still is) the rise of far left. All the other factors - climate change, racism, healthcare, foreign wars, social networks - these are just noise in the system. The right has properly distanced itself from the far-right (the actual nazis) after the WW2, but the left had failed to deal with the equivalent threat from the far-left (mostly communists). The price they had paid was that this fringe ideology has slowly consumed it from within and the legitimate left is now nearly extinct. If you manage to solve this somehow, the Trump problem will go away by itself.

It's not a unique problem for US only. The left is on retreat everywhere across the western world. Even socialist strongholds in Scandinavia are loosing support and might tip in the next decade.

Quite astonishingly, if I were to vote in US elections now, it would be definitely for Trump. Because team Biden has nothing of value to offer. They stand for nothing in particular except for a vague idea of a socialist revolution. Just like "the mostly peaceful" protesters who do not have any rational demands and do not know what the fuck they are doing. Strangely (and quite stupidly) they are rioting exclusively in democrat run cities which have the most diverse governance and police force. So the republican cities will take note that better vote red unless they want the same mayhem happening there too. And the residents of blue cities will become fed up with the incompetence of their leaders - enough to switch their vote. In essence, the more there will be protests, the higher will be support for Trump.

Don't get me wrong, I do not like Trump and I wish that a more competent leader would take his place. But Biden is such an appalling choice that it's better to maintain the status quo imo. And the independents are a joke mostly.
 
Tamagochi said:
The right has properly distanced itself from the far-right (the actual nazis) after the WW2, but the left had failed to deal with the equivalent threat from the far-left (mostly communists). The price they had paid was that this fringe ideology has slowly consumed it from within and the legitimate left is now nearly extinct. If you manage to solve this somehow, the Trump problem will go away by itself.

It's not a unique problem for US only. The left is on retreat everywhere across the western world. Even socialist strongholds in Scandinavia are loosing support and might tip in the next decade.

Quite astonishingly, if I were to vote in US elections now, it would be definitely for Trump. Because team Biden has nothing of value to offer. They stand for nothing in particular except for a vague idea of a socialist revolution. Just like "the mostly peaceful" protesters who do not have any rational demands and do not know what the fuck they are doing. Strangely (and quite stupidly) they are rioting exclusively in democrat run cities which have the most diverse governance and police force. So the republican cities will take note that better vote red unless they want the same mayhem happening there too. And the residents of blue cities will become fed up with the incompetence of their leaders - enough to switch their vote. In essence, the more there will be protests, the higher will be support for Trump.
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While I do agree that the extremism of the far-left in the U.S. is appalling, they are mostly driving social issues. People don't seem to have a clue what socialism would look like, because we're so far removed from it. The left thinks that socializing health care would solve all our problems, but the right thinks that anything that isn't privatized automatically makes us a communist regime... I guess every place in the world without privatized healthcare must be just like China!

The notion that the left are solely responsible for protest/riot violence is bullshit. What about the last decade of supremacist violence/protest in cities like Portland? Which side is bringing the assault rifles to rallies? It's all glossed over like it never happened, and all the focus is on the BLM/antifa shit, esp since it's an election year and more topical.

I would have agreed that the right had distanced themselves from Nazism until George W was elected. I had a lot of respect for the Republican party until they shed their libertarian ideals, and executive power abuse (or threats of this) is becoming the norm. We literally have a president who says he wants to silence the media. If he were more competent, I'd be worried, but instead, he declares emergencies to build infeasible border walls between us and neighboring countries.

Biden will essentially run a platform somewhere near the center, but I don't know what that will look like.
 
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noisebloom said:
Biden will essentially run a platform somewhere near the center, but I don't know what that will look like.
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With him aboard the systemic racism narrative, don't see it happening. To be more precise, I suspect he just repeats what he's been told without really considering it. That's why I said that he stands for nothing - like a chameleon changing colour to adapt the environment. One week he fully supports the protests and do not see any problem with them, another he condemns the violence and promises order, yet another it's now all Trump's fault for some reason...
 
Tamagochi said:
That's why I said that he stands for nothing - like a chameleon changing colour to adapt the environment. One week he fully supports the protests and do not see any problem with them, another he condemns the violence and promises order, yet another it's now all Trump's fault for some reason...
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That's how it generally goes with non-independent candidates, though. You jump aboard the mainstream platform of the party to get votes.

While the riots aren't Trump's fault, it's his job as being arguably the most important leader of the country to take accountability for what he says and does, and he definitely has condoned the flavor of political violence (and very much does not condemn it) that has been occurring.

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/donald-trump-incitement-violence/

Most U.S. presidents dodge accountability when it comes to certain things they do that they're trying to keep on the down-low, but he pretty much avoids taking responsibility across the board. This is just the mark of a poor leader, imo.
 
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noisebloom said:
While the riots aren't Trump's fault, it's his job as being arguably the most important leader of the country to take accountability for what he says and does, and he definitely has condoned the flavor of political violence (and very much does not condemn it) that has been occurring.
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/donald-trump-incitement-violence/
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This fact check is out of context for current situation because it talks about events in 2016 rally. And to be honest, it exaggerates the threat. I don't think Trump would have really beat the crap out of activist women trying to take away his mike. We also know that the campaign did not result in any serious violence: people being injured or property damage. The same cannot be said about current protests which Trump has firmly condemned and offered assistance to local governments to deal with them.

noisebloom said:
Most U.S. presidents dodge accountability when it comes to certain things they do that they're trying to keep on the down-low, but he pretty much avoids taking responsibility across the board. This is just the mark of a poor leader, imo.
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This I fully agree with. Trump takes any success with fanfare even when he had little to do about it (like stock market) but when he messes up then it's someone elses fault.
 
slant said:
I'm really kind of shocked at the popularity of collusion russiagate threads here. The mainstream left's insistence to focus on Russia colluding with Trump as opposed to taking accountability for Hilary Clinton having been a poor candidate is astounding, and will indeed hurt their re-election chances for 2020 midterms.

Currently we're stuck between the likes of Kamala Harris, who laughs about putting parents in prison if their children miss too many days of school, and Joe Biden who doesn't understand economic realities for the younger generation
If this is the reality party dems insists on we're gonna lose the 2020 because me and many others sure as hell ain't gonna vote for these people, nor go along with this russiagate narrative.
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Anyone who gets voted in is a puppet of the Deep State. Right, Left, doesn't matter. They have no interest in the people or heritage. It's all one big scam to sell more Iphones and advertise more porn.
 
Maikl Jexocuha said:
"American history did not start in 1789; it did not even start in 1492; and it CERTAINLY did not start in 1619. The year 1619 is meaningless! Please efface it from your memory. America started 6,000 years ago (when the Earth was created) as an idea in the mind of God." I love this article.

- "Welcome to your first day of Patriotic Education!" by Alexandra Petri of the Washington Post
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What the hell did I just read?
 
Typically I'm a good judge of character, often seeing through to the heart of a person.

Though I do not support Pres Trump's agenda, this video shows his ability to recognize and respect humble greatness in another human. I'm thinking her passing has tickled a spot in him that for sure he'd thought long buried. SMH, He may be human after all ...
***they will not find another RBG. She was one of a kind, a motivator to show us how to use integrity at all times regardless the cost. Let's hope if Trumpetiers choose her replacement they will choose some one of the highest caliber so her voice is not lost.
 
Aquila Aeternus said:
Anyone who gets voted in is a puppet of the Deep State. Right, Left, doesn't matter. They have no interest in the people or heritage. It's all one big scam to sell more Iphones and advertise more porn.
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Random question., but can't US citizens just try a mass blank vote (or protest vote) against the 2 party system?
https://www.findlaw.com/voting/my-voting-guide/what-is-a-protest-vote-.html

Third-Party/Insurgent Party Votes
In many U.S. elections, voters are expected to vote for one of two primary candidates. However, candidates representing third parties — sometimes known as insurgent parties — are also on the ballot, even though the third parties rarely have a chance of winning the election outright.

In such situations, voters sometimes vote for third-party candidates as a form of protest against the political establishment and the candidates who represent it. Because each citizen only gets one vote, a vote for a third-party candidate is one vote less for a more popular candidate.
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I know it's not realistic but perhaps this really should be the case one time to show that the system does not work for the citizens.

Also a read, in general (in regards to the nuance of voting, trying to align this with the current 2 US candidates).
https://www.bbc.com/news/election-2015-32537661
 
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