Vaccines Debate

@muir
I must admit that your claim with the graphs is one of your more compelling arguments. Although, that doesn't really mean much. It's still not a strong enough argument against vaccine practicality. The points raised in that discussion are very interesting, but the numbers still show death and infection averages after vaccine introduction that are factors of 10 lesser than before. This demonstrates that vaccines are not a primary contributor from dark age infection rates, but that they still contribute in an effective way. Bringing tallies to near 0 on several diseases.

However, the data analysis is still very bad on the part of the person you cited, and unreliable overall. Further, it does not speak at all towards vaccine toxicity. Only towards their practicality. They still support the claim that vaccines are a practical endeavor, just not as much as what some pro vaccine people might claim.

Well that was quite some rant there man

It seems that while i am speaking about the issue from a place of strong personal feelings you are arguing more from a stance of challenge...or sport

So...i have a challenge for you

if you think you're smart...then let's see how smart you really are....

You have on your side in this debate all the wealth and power of the government and the big pharma industry (the biggest lobby group in washington) and also the billionaires in for example the 'club of rome' who wish to see the global population reduced (in fact they are part of a long tradition going back to the fabians and beyond whose thoughts about the world have leaked out into the public consciousness through various literary works for example Aldous Huxleys 'A Brave New World' or George Orwell's '1984' not to mention the ideas of H.G.Wells who along with other fabians wanted to see a world controlled centrally by a handful of people which huxley called 'the world controllers')

These players bring VAST wealth to this particular arena of the war on consciousness and they use their wealth to fund corrupt scientists and corrupt politicians and to corrupt regulators; they also use threats of course as well as bribes; they control the mainstream media, all the biog journals and the publishing houses as well as wielding huge influence in education

On the other hand there are people like me who have only the work of independent researchers to support our arguments.

So.....if you want a challenge....then this is it: instead of arguing from such an easy platform with all the weight of the government and big business propagnda behind you why don't you play devils advocate and see what that left hemisphere of your brain can achieve then?

Why not play devils advocate and see if you can argue the case from the position of a anti-vaccine person?

This is what debating clubs do.....you have to be able to argue from all views even if you don't hold the view yourself

So....let's see how smart you are....let's see if you can pull up even a fraction of the evidence i have managed to put forward to support the anti-vaccine side of this debate

Come on...stop taking the easy route and riding the gravy train on all that rich pickings of government/big pharma propaganda

Let's see what you're really made of
 
http://www.naturalblaze.com/2015/04/hpv-vaccines-danish-documentary.html

By Norma Erickson

Thursday, March 26, 2015, TV2 one of Denmark’s national television stations aired a documentary on HPV vaccines entitled, The Vaccinated Girls – Sick and Betrayed. It focused on the condition of 3 girls suffering from serious new medical conditions after being vaccinated against HPV with Gardasil. The one thing they have in common with thousands of other girls around the world is they were healthy before they got the vaccine – now, they are seriously ill.

All three girls have been examined from head to toe with no conclusive diagnosis and no help with their symptoms, much like the girls in other countries where HPV vaccines are being used.

During the documentary, two Danish doctors from Frederiksberg Hospital said they have never seen anything similar to this during their entire careers. Both doctors said they had sent correspondence to the Danish Health and Medicines Authority a total of four times during the last year to warn them of possible adverse events after HPV injections.



Dr. Louise Brinth of Frederiksberg Hospital has personally examined around 80 girls whom she suspects may be suffering adverse effects of HPV vaccinations. She states:
They are all dizzy, they pass out, and so the vast majority of them severe headache - often chronic headaches. They have abdominal pain and nausea. They have weird muscle movements, they cannot control. And they're very tired....​
We see a pattern that screams to heaven, and that should be examined by some solid research.​
Danish Director of Health, Henrik G. Jenson agrees but stated:
Yes, there is a pattern, but it is not the same as saying that there is a connection. When we see a pattern in how some reports, there is a basis for making some more explanations, and delve into this stuff. Now, the fact that the vaccine is approved by the European Medicines Agency EMA, and that is, they are the ones who make the safety assessment.​
While conducting research prior to the production of this documentary, TV2 requested the Danish Health and Medicines Authority to provide full disclosure of all documents pertinent to the HPV vaccination program in Denmark. Unfortunately, Director Henrik G. Jenson and his staff ’forgot’ to supply the news team with any information regarding the four warnings the Danish Health and Medicines Authority had received from medical professionals in their country.

Watch the Danish Documentary with English subtitles here: - See more at: http://www.naturalblaze.com/2015/04/hpv-vaccines-danish-documentary.html#sthash.xmyCBkFl.dpuf


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This HPV vaccine documentary made a huge impact

A closed Facebook page set up for suspected victims of adverse reactions to Gardasil in Denmark reported having 398 members before this documentary was aired. A short two weeks later membership had increased to 938. Because each request for membership is contacted personally by the administrators of the group for verification, there are an additional 40 people currently waiting to be granted membership.

Much to the credit of the Danish health authorities, they are making efforts to respond in an appropriate manner to the crisis they are facing in the wake of their HPV vaccination program. Denmark is divided into five healthcare regions. They have established a single point of entrance in each one of these regions to accept and examine anyone suspected of having a negative reaction to Gardasil. So far there is no official protocol established for the analysis and treatment of those admitted.

Danish health authorities realize that the side effects are extremely serious and want to do more research. Unfortunately, it will take months (if not years) of research to discover exactly what has happened to these girls much less develop successful protocols to treat them without cooperation on a global scale. Where does this leave the survivors in the meantime?

Should the HPV vaccination program be halted until this research is completed?

Are those in charge of the Danish Health and Medicines Authority willing to risk the 2500 serious adverse reactions per 100,000 Gardasil recipients disclosed in Merck’s latest prescribing information packet to try and avoid 12.1 cases of cervical cancer per 100,000?

Are the women of Denmark willing to accept the same risk? Do the women of Denmark think it is reasonable to trade 2500 potentially devastating medical conditions to save 12 people per 100,000 users from the diagnosis of a very treatable cancer?

As a matter of fact, Gardasil was introduced in Denmark in 2009. In 2008, the youngest woman to die of cervical cancer in Denmark was 30 years old. Three years after the introduction of Gardasil (in 2012), the youngest woman to die of cervical cancer was only 20. Why is this?

Consider this chart from Denmark:


Why are deaths from cervical cancer increasing so rapidly AFTER the introduction of Gardasil? Is this not potentially a safety signal that needs investigation?

One of the studies Merck presented to the FDA prior to marketing approval indicated that those who had been previously exposed to vaccine-relevant HPV types prior to vaccination may have a 44.6% greater chance of being diagnosed with pre-cancerous lesions. Could the increased rate of cervical cancer deaths be an indication this study was correct?

The Danish health authorities and political representatives need to understand their experience with Gardasil is not unique to their country. Every country using HPV vaccines is experiencing similar events. This is a global problem.

Vaccines are a medical intervention utilized in healthy populations. The precautionary principle must apply. It only makes good sense to temporarily suspend HPV vaccination programs until all safety and efficacy issues are resolved.

Those individuals who are most susceptible to the risk of serious adverse events must be identified, quantified, qualified and eliminated from HPV vaccination programs.

The current survivors of HPV vaccine injury must be identified, acknowledged and provided with appropriate medical treatment.

Stop sacrificing children on the altar of ’The Greater Good’ - Profit should never trump children’s health!

Sources:

- See more at: http://www.naturalblaze.com/2015/04/hpv-vaccines-danish-documentary.html#sthash.xmyCBkFl.dpuf
 
First, I want to point out that once again muir, you have resorted to a persuasive argument with no direct evidence. You are attempting to discredit me rather than my points. Do you plan to even attempt counter arguments? Am I to take it that you agree with my points about your statistics? Do you have any reason to establish your graphs as reliable? I can't conceive of any, but you might have something to defend the failing of your sources data analysis...

Well that was quite some rant there man

It seems that while i am speaking about the issue from a place of strong personal feelings you are arguing more from a stance of challenge...or sport
You mixed a lot of words in here, and used them very oddly. Clearly, yes, I am challenging your stance. But my stance is not based in only my desire to challenge you. Actually my desire is to show that you are wrong so that people don't develop ridiculous mistrust and misunderstandings as to the nature of science and certain, very safe, technologies. In other words, I'm arguing against your "fear mongering".

So...i have a challenge for you

if you think you're smart...then let's see how smart you really are....

You have on your side in this debate all the wealth and power of the government and the big pharma industry (the biggest lobby group in washington) and also the billionaires in for example the 'club of rome' who wish to see the global population reduced (in fact they are part of a long tradition going back to the fabians and beyond whose thoughts about the world have leaked out into the public consciousness through various literary works for example Aldous Huxleys 'A Brave New World' or George Orwell's '1984' not to mention the ideas of H.G.Wells who along with other fabians wanted to see a world controlled centrally by a handful of people which huxley called 'the world controllers')

These players bring VAST wealth to this particular arena of the war on consciousness and they use their wealth to fund corrupt scientists and corrupt politicians and to corrupt regulators; they also use threats of course as well as bribes; they control the mainstream media, all the biog journals and the publishing houses as well as wielding huge influence in education
And the question of whether or not any of that goes on is moot unless you can effectively establish that my sources are corrupt in the way that you describe. Because such an attempt is nearly impossible given the nature of the corruption you describe (they would no doubt go to lengths to hide it, making it impossible to prove in a sufficient way for this debate), you must argue in a different way. Given your stance that my scientific and logic based points are faulty, then you should be able to show how they are faulty rather than why they are faulty. So far, your points about big pharma are only attempts to show why they are faulty, and you have given a few points about mercury and aluminum to show how they are faulty. However, those points have failed. Therefore you need to establish new "how" points that my points are faulty. For example, considering the wifi example, perhaps you can reference some sort of highly vulnerable ion in the human body that would not require a very high energy wavelength to dislodge the electron, and if that particular ion were of considerable importance without redundant systems, then wifi probably is dangerous. This would require demonstrating the importance, vulnerability, and specification of that ion. Further, you'd have to establish that microwaves are sufficient for your claim.
My points don't completely hinge on scientific research because many can be argued a priori. On the other hand, your arguments completely hinge on the existence of your unprovable conspiracy. Because I reject that evidence due to its unreliable nature, your argument fails until you can establish other kinds of argument (which you should be able to do anyways if you understand the concepts you are spouting).

On the other hand there are people like me who have only the work of independent researchers to support our arguments.
Notice that many independent researches reach the same conclusions as your supposed biased and fraudulent researchers.

So.....if you want a challenge....then this is it: instead of arguing from such an easy platform with all the weight of the government and big business propagnda behind you why don't you play devils advocate and see what that left hemisphere of your brain can achieve then?
While I might hold a similar position, I don't depend on their influence.
Also, again, left-brain right-brain is literally false. I think that your continued reliance on the point perfectly demonstrates your willingness to hold points of pseudoscience and claim it to be scientific.

Why not play devils advocate and see if you can argue the case from the position of a anti-vaccine person?
I have considered possible counter arguments, and to be honest there are several you could have used on me. I did not bring them up because insofar as I looked into them, they didn't pan out. Also, if I had brought them up, you would have skewed the points to suit your needs, inflating their weight or claiming them as proof when they have yet to be established. A good example is your response on fluoride. You completely inflated the strength of your claim because it had a glimmer of possible support for your argument. Another example is your evidence with the charts.
Further, it is not my job to hold your hand through a debate while having to deal with your irrational inflations. As you have so unkindly stated to other people in this thread, leave it up to people who have done their research. If you don't know (or understand) the points, then don't try to argue them.

This is what debating clubs do.....you have to be able to argue from all views even if you don't hold the view yourself
And the furthest I could establish in such a debate is that more research needs to be done on vaccines to be sure of their safety. If I were to try my very best, I could not establish their toxicity. I couldn't even do so with reasonable possibility unless I had an incompetent opponent. Your stance is just unattainable muir.

So....let's see how smart you are....let's see if you can pull up even a fraction of the evidence i have managed to put forward to support the anti-vaccine side of this debate
You know, you have a stretched definition of evidence. Your graphs you called evidence, and they had extremely serious errors in their data (especially the one with three data points for a 120 year span). Cherry picking can skew most kinds of data to suit one's needs.

Come on...stop taking the easy route and riding the gravy train on all that rich pickings of government/big pharma propaganda

Let's see what you're really made of
And why do you think I have anything to prove to you? I don't care what you think of me. You may do a lot of reading, but I doubt that you actually understand the science behind a lot of what you read. My biggest purpose here is to keep you from spreading false information to people about vaccines in an attempt to scare them into avoiding established science. Don't even get me started on your claims about wifi....
 
First, I want to point out that once again muir, you have resorted to a persuasive argument with no direct evidence. You are attempting to discredit me rather than my points. Do you plan to even attempt counter arguments? Am I to take it that you agree with my points about your statistics? Do you have any reason to establish your graphs as reliable? I can't conceive of any, but you might have something to defend the failing of your sources data analysis...


You mixed a lot of words in here, and used them very oddly. Clearly, yes, I am challenging your stance. But my stance is not based in only my desire to challenge you. Actually my desire is to show that you are wrong so that people don't develop ridiculous mistrust and misunderstandings as to the nature of science and certain, very safe, technologies. In other words, I'm arguing against your "fear mongering".


And the question of whether or not any of that goes on is moot unless you can effectively establish that my sources are corrupt in the way that you describe. Because such an attempt is nearly impossible given the nature of the corruption you describe (they would no doubt go to lengths to hide it, making it impossible to prove in a sufficient way for this debate), you must argue in a different way. Given your stance that my scientific and logic based points are faulty, then you should be able to show how they are faulty rather than why they are faulty. So far, your points about big pharma are only attempts to show why they are faulty, and you have given a few points about mercury and aluminum to show how they are faulty. However, those points have failed. Therefore you need to establish new "how" points that my points are faulty. For example, considering the wifi example, perhaps you can reference some sort of highly vulnerable ion in the human body that would not require a very high energy wavelength to dislodge the electron, and if that particular ion were of considerable importance without redundant systems, then wifi probably is dangerous. This would require demonstrating the importance, vulnerability, and specification of that ion. Further, you'd have to establish that microwaves are sufficient for your claim.
My points don't completely hinge on scientific research because many can be argued a priori. On the other hand, your arguments completely hinge on the existence of your unprovable conspiracy. Because I reject that evidence due to its unreliable nature, your argument fails until you can establish other kinds of argument (which you should be able to do anyways if you understand the concepts you are spouting).


Notice that many independent researches reach the same conclusions as your supposed biased and fraudulent researchers.


While I might hold a similar position, I don't depend on their influence.
Also, again, left-brain right-brain is literally false. I think that your continued reliance on the point perfectly demonstrates your willingness to hold points of pseudoscience and claim it to be scientific.


I have considered possible counter arguments, and to be honest there are several you could have used on me. I did not bring them up because insofar as I looked into them, they didn't pan out. Also, if I had brought them up, you would have skewed the points to suit your needs, inflating their weight or claiming them as proof when they have yet to be established. A good example is your response on fluoride. You completely inflated the strength of your claim because it had a glimmer of possible support for your argument. Another example is your evidence with the charts.
Further, it is not my job to hold your hand through a debate while having to deal with your irrational inflations. As you have so unkindly stated to other people in this thread, leave it up to people who have done their research. If you don't know (or understand) the points, then don't try to argue them.


And the furthest I could establish in such a debate is that more research needs to be done on vaccines to be sure of their safety. If I were to try my very best, I could not establish their toxicity. I couldn't even do so with reasonable possibility unless I had an incompetent opponent. Your stance is just unattainable muir.


You know, you have a stretched definition of evidence. Your graphs you called evidence, and they had extremely serious errors in their data (especially the one with three data points for a 120 year span). Cherry picking can skew most kinds of data to suit one's needs.


And why do you think I have anything to prove to you? I don't care what you think of me. You may do a lot of reading, but I doubt that you actually understand the science behind a lot of what you read. My biggest purpose here is to keep you from spreading false information to people about vaccines in an attempt to scare them into avoiding established science. Don't even get me started on your claims about wifi....

Disapointing....weak.....really weak

I hadn't realised you were so intellectually flaccid

You don't prove anything you just bluster

Suddenly when you don't have the might of the government and big pharma behind you you shrink like a deflated balloon and your big mouth doesn't sound so confident
 
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No one has answered to anything this lady has said not only about why vaccines aren't safe but also about why they haven't been successful historically

[video=youtube;efto1LpWkKw]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=efto1LpWkKw[/video]

[video=youtube;SFQQOv-Oi6U]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SFQQOv-Oi6U[/video]
 
http://www.greenmedinfo.com/blog/at...al-vaccines-turn-our-immune-system-against-us

[h=1]Attacking Ourselves: Top Doctors Reveal Vaccines Turn Our Immune System Against Us[/h]
Posted on:
Tuesday, February 24th 2015 at 6:45 pm
Written By:
Celeste McGovern

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The research is hard to ignore, vaccines can trigger autoimmunity with a laundry list of diseases to follow. With harmful and toxic metals as some vaccine ingredients, who is susceptible and which individuals are more at risk?
No one would accuse Yehuda Shoenfeld of being a quack. The Israeli clinician has spent more than three decades studying the human immune system and is at the pinnacle of his profession. You might say he is more foundation than fringe in his specialty; he wrote the textbooks. The Mosaic of Autoimmunity, Autoantibodies, Diagnostic Criteria in Autoimmune Diseases, Infection and Autoimmunity, Cancer and Autoimmunity – the list is 25 titles long and some of them are cornerstones of clinical practice. Hardly surprising that Shoenfeld has been called the "Godfather of Autoimmunology" – the study of the immune system turned on itself in a wide array of diseases from type 1 diabetes to ulcerative colitis and multiple sclerosis.
But something strange is happening in the world of immunology lately and a small evidence of it is that the Godfather of Autoimmunology is pointing to vaccines – specifically, some of their ingredients including the toxic metal aluminum – as a significant contributor to the growing global epidemic of autoimmune diseases. The bigger evidence is a huge body of research that's poured in in the past 15 years, and particularly in the past five years. Take for example, a recent article published in the journal Pharmacological Research in which Shoenfeld and colleagues issue unprecedented guidelines naming four categories of people who are most at risk for vaccine-induced autoimmunity.
"On one hand," vaccines prevent infections which can trigger autoimmunity, say the paper's authors, Alessandra Soriano, of the Department of Clinical Medicine and Rheumatology at the Campus Bio-Medico University in Rome, Gideon Nesher, of the Hebrew University Medical School in Jerusalem and Shoenfeld, founder and head of the Zabludowicz Center of Autoimmune Diseases in the Sheba Medical Center at Tel Hashomer. He is also editor of three medical journals and author of more than 1,500 research papers across the spectrum of medical journalism and founder of the International Congress on Autoimmunology. "On the other hand, many reports that describe post-vaccination autoimmunity strongly suggest that vaccines can indeed trigger autoimmunity. Defined autoimmune diseases that may occur following vaccinations include arthritis, lupus (systemic lupus erythematosus, SLE) diabetes mellitus, thrombocytopenia, vasculitis, dermatomyosiositis, Guillain-Barre syndrome and demyelinating disorders. Almost all types of vaccines have been reported to be associated with the onset of ASIA."
ASIA – or Autoimmune/inflammatory Syndrome Induced by Adjuvants (also known as Shoenfeld's syndrome) -- first appeared in the Journal of Autoimmunology four years ago. It is an umbrella term for a collection of similar symptoms, including Chronic Fatigue Syndrome, that result after exposure to an adjuvant – an environmental agent including common vaccine ingredients that stimulate the immune system. Since then an enormous body of research, using ASIA as a paradigm, has begun to unravel the mystery of how environmental toxins, particularly the metal aluminum used in vaccines, can trigger an immune system chain reaction in susceptible individuals and may lead to overt autoimmune disease.
Autoimmune disease results when the body's system meant to attack foreign invaders turns instead to attack part of the body it belongs to (auto is Greek for self). If the immune system is like a national defence system, antibodies are like drones programmed to recognize a certain type of invader (a bacteria say) and to destroy them or mark them for destruction by other special forces. Autoantibodies are like drones that are misidentifying a component of the human body and have launched a sustained attack on it. If they mistakenly target a component of the conductive sheath around neurons, for example, nerve impulses stop conducting properly, muscles go into spasm and coordination fails; multiple sclerosis results. If autoantibodies erroneously focus on joint tissue; rheumatoid arthritis results. If they target the islets of Langerhans in the pancreas, Type 1 diabetes, and so on
"Throughout our lifetime the normal immune system walks a fine line between preserving normal immune reactions and developing autoimmune diseases," says the paper. "The healthy immune system is tolerant to self-antigens. When self-tolerance is disturbed, dysregulation of the immune system follows, resulting in emergence of an autoimmune disease. Vaccination is one of the conditions that may disturb this homeostasis in susceptible individuals, resulting in autoimmune phenomena and ASIA."
Who is "susceptible" is the subject of the paper entitled, "Predicting post-vaccination autoimmunity: Who might be at risk?" It lists four categories of people: 1) those who have had a previous autoimmune reaction to a vaccine, 2) anyone with a medical history of autoimmunity, 3) patients with a history of allergic reactions, 4) anyone at high risk of developing autoimmune disease including anyone with a family history of autoimmunity, presence of autoantibodies which are detectable by blood tests and other factors including low vitamin D and smoking.
[h=1]PREVIOUS REACTION[/h]Regarding those who have had a previous adverse reaction to vaccines, the paper cites five relevant studies including the case of a death of a teenage girl six months following her third Gardasil injection against HPV virus. She had experienced a range of symptoms shortly after her first dose, including dizziness, numbness and tingling in her hands, and memory lapses. After her second injection, she developed "intermittent arm weakness, frequent tiredness requiring daytime naps," worse tingling, night sweats, chest pain and palpitations. A full autopsy was unrevealing but blood and spleen tissue analysis revealed HPV-16 L1 gene DNA fragments – matching the DNA found in vials of the Gardasil vaccine against cervical cancer – "thus implicating the vaccine as a causal factor." The DNA fragments had also been found to be "complexed with the aluminum adjuvant" which, according to the report, have been shown to persist for up to 8 to 10 years causing chronic immune system stimulation.
"Although data is limited," Shoenfeld and his colleagues concluded, "it seems preferable that individuals with prior autoimmune or autoimmune-like reactions to vaccinations, should not be immunized, at least not with the same type of vaccine."
[h=1]ESTABLISHED AUTOIMMUNE CONDITION[/h]The second group which the paper cites for vaccine exemption is patients with "established autoimmune conditions." Vaccines don't work so well in them, say Shoenfeld and his colleagues, and they are at "risk for flares following vaccination." Inoculations that contain live viruses including chickenpox, yellow fever and the measles, mumps and rubella triple vaccine (MMR) are "generally contraindicated" for people with autoimmune conditions because of the risk of "uncontrolled viral replication." But inactivated vaccines are not such a good idea either because they usually contain the added ingredient aluminum, linked to autoimmunity.
The immunologists describe recent studies in which patients with autoimmune rheumatic disease given the influenza vaccine (without aluminum) suffered more joint pain and fever than controls and whose levels of autoantibodies (the drones that attack self) increased after receiving the flu vaccine. What's more, they developed new types of autoantibodies that weren't present before the vaccines, and those persisted. As the presence of autoantibodies can be predictive of developing autoimmune disease in patients without symptoms, even years ahead of disease onset, this is troubling to those who understand immunology.
A number of studies claim vaccines are safe for the "overwhelming majority of patients with established autoimmune diseases," the study allows, but they only looked at rheumatoid arthritis and lupus and not at severe and active cases so "the potential benefit of vaccination should be weighed against its potential risk," they cautioned.
[h=1]PATIENTS WITH A HISTORY OF ALLERGY[/h]Vaccine trials have usually excluded "vulnerable" individuals -- only extremely healthy individuals with no allergies are recruited. It's a "selection bias," say Soriano and Shoenfeld, and has likely resulted in serious adverse events being "considerably underestimated" in "real life where vaccines are mandated to all individuals regardless of their susceptibility." The true incidence of allergic reactions to vaccines, normally estimated at between one in 50,000 to one in a million doses, is probably much higher and particularly where gelatin or egg proteins are on the ingredients list, they say.
There's a long list of vaccine ingredients that are potential allergens: besides the infectious agents themselves, there are those from hen's egg, horse serum, baker's yeast, numerous antibiotics, formaldehyde and lactose, as well "inadvertent" ingredients such as latex. People's allergic histories have to be taken before vaccination say the researchers. But some signs of reaction don't show up until after the shot.
The public health nurse or GP might tell patients that a long-lasting swelling around the injection site after a vaccine is a normal reaction, for example. But that is not what the immunologists say. "[A]luminum sensitization manifests as nodules [hard lumps] at the injection site that often regress after weeks or months, but may persist for years." In such cases, they say, a patch test can be done to confirm sensitivity and to avoid vaccination.
According to a growing body of research, though, allergy may be only the beginning of many dangerous aluminum-induced phenomena.
[h=1]THE TROUBLE WITH ALUMINUM[/h]Aluminum has been added to vaccines since about 1926 when Alexander Glenny and colleagues noticed it would produce better antibody responses in vaccines than the antigen alone. Glenny figured the alum was inducing what he called a "depot effect" – slowing the release of the antigen and heightening the immune response. For 60 years his theory was accepted dogma. And over the same time, the vaccine schedule grew decade on decade, but few ever questioned the effects of injecting aluminum into the body, which is strange considering its known toxicity.
A PubMed search on aluminum and "toxicity" turns up 4,258 entries. Its neurotoxicity is well documented. It affects memory, cognition, psychomotor control; it damages the blood brain barrier, activates brain inflammation, depresses mitochondrial function and plenty of research suggests it is a key player in the formation of the amyloid "plaques" and tangles in the brains of Alzheimer's patients. It's been implicated in Amyotrophic Lateral Sclerosis and autism and demonstrated to induce allergy.
When kidney dialysis patients were accidentally infused with aluminum, the "dialysis-induced encephalopathy" (DAE) they developed neurological symptoms: speech abnormalities, tremors, memory loss, impaired concentration and behavioural changes. Many of the patients eventually went into comas and died. The lucky ones survived: when the source of toxicity, aluminum, was removed from their dialysis they recovered rapidly.
With these new observations, researchers began investigating the adjuvant effects of aluminum and in the past decade there has been a flurry of research. Far from being a sandbag that holds the antigen for a while and then gets excreted, it turns out that aluminum salts trigger a storm of defence action. Within hours of injection of the same aluminum oxyhydroxide in vaccines into mice, for example, armies of specialized immune cells are on the move, calling in grid coordinates for more specialist assault forces. Within a day, a whole host of immune system commandos are in play -- neutrophils, eosinophils, inflammatory monocytes, myeloid and dendritic cells, activating lymphocytes and secreting proteins called cytokines. The cytokines themselves cause collateral damage but they send out signals, directing cell-to-cell communication and recruiting other cells into action. If the next phase of the attack is launched: fibroblast growth factor, interferons, interleukins, platelet derived growth factor, transforming growth factor and tumour necrosis factor might all be engaged. There's evidence that poorly understood and pesky inflammasomes, (currently a topic of cutting- edge cancer causation research) such as the Nod-like receptor 3( NLRP) are activated too, but it's all still too early to say exactly what they're doing.
 
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No one has answered to anything this lady has said not only about why vaccines aren't safe but also about why they haven't been successful historically

[video=youtube;efto1LpWkKw]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=efto1LpWkKw[/video]

[video=youtube;SFQQOv-Oi6U]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SFQQOv-Oi6U[/video]
http://www.greenmedinfo.com/blog/at...al-vaccines-turn-our-immune-system-against-us

Attacking Ourselves: Top Doctors Reveal Vaccines Turn Our Immune System Against Us


Posted on:
Tuesday, February 24th 2015 at 6:45 pm
Written By:
Celeste McGovern

Attacking-Ourselves.jpg

The research is hard to ignore, vaccines can trigger autoimmunity with a laundry list of diseases to follow. With harmful and toxic metals as some vaccine ingredients, who is susceptible and which individuals are more at risk?
No one would accuse Yehuda Shoenfeld of being a quack. The Israeli clinician has spent more than three decades studying the human immune system and is at the pinnacle of his profession. You might say he is more foundation than fringe in his specialty; he wrote the textbooks. The Mosaic of Autoimmunity, Autoantibodies, Diagnostic Criteria in Autoimmune Diseases, Infection and Autoimmunity, Cancer and Autoimmunity — the list is 25 titles long and some of them are cornerstones of clinical practice. Hardly surprising that Shoenfeld has been called the "Godfather of Autoimmunology" — the study of the immune system turned on itself in a wide array of diseases from type 1 diabetes to ulcerative colitis and multiple sclerosis.
But something strange is happening in the world of immunology lately and a small evidence of it is that the Godfather of Autoimmunology is pointing to vaccines — specifically, some of their ingredients including the toxic metal aluminum — as a significant contributor to the growing global epidemic of autoimmune diseases. The bigger evidence is a huge body of research that's poured in in the past 15 years, and particularly in the past five years. Take for example, a recent article published in the journal Pharmacological Research in which Shoenfeld and colleagues issue unprecedented guidelines naming four categories of people who are most at risk for vaccine-induced autoimmunity.
"On one hand," vaccines prevent infections which can trigger autoimmunity, say the paper's authors, Alessandra Soriano, of the Department of Clinical Medicine and Rheumatology at the Campus Bio-Medico University in Rome, Gideon Nesher, of the Hebrew University Medical School in Jerusalem and Shoenfeld, founder and head of the Zabludowicz Center of Autoimmune Diseases in the Sheba Medical Center at Tel Hashomer. He is also editor of three medical journals and author of more than 1,500 research papers across the spectrum of medical journalism and founder of the International Congress on Autoimmunology. "On the other hand, many reports that describe post-vaccination autoimmunity strongly suggest that vaccines can indeed trigger autoimmunity. Defined autoimmune diseases that may occur following vaccinations include arthritis, lupus (systemic lupus erythematosus, SLE) diabetes mellitus, thrombocytopenia, vasculitis, dermatomyosiositis, Guillain-Barre syndrome and demyelinating disorders. Almost all types of vaccines have been reported to be associated with the onset of ASIA."
ASIA — or Autoimmune/inflammatory Syndrome Induced by Adjuvants (also known as Shoenfeld's syndrome) -- first appeared in the Journal of Autoimmunology four years ago. It is an umbrella term for a collection of similar symptoms, including Chronic Fatigue Syndrome, that result after exposure to an adjuvant — an environmental agent including common vaccine ingredients that stimulate the immune system. Since then an enormous body of research, using ASIA as a paradigm, has begun to unravel the mystery of how environmental toxins, particularly the metal aluminum used in vaccines, can trigger an immune system chain reaction in susceptible individuals and may lead to overt autoimmune disease.
Autoimmune disease results when the body's system meant to attack foreign invaders turns instead to attack part of the body it belongs to (auto is Greek for self). If the immune system is like a national defence system, antibodies are like drones programmed to recognize a certain type of invader (a bacteria say) and to destroy them or mark them for destruction by other special forces. Autoantibodies are like drones that are misidentifying a component of the human body and have launched a sustained attack on it. If they mistakenly target a component of the conductive sheath around neurons, for example, nerve impulses stop conducting properly, muscles go into spasm and coordination fails; multiple sclerosis results. If autoantibodies erroneously focus on joint tissue; rheumatoid arthritis results. If they target the islets of Langerhans in the pancreas, Type 1 diabetes, and so on
"Throughout our lifetime the normal immune system walks a fine line between preserving normal immune reactions and developing autoimmune diseases," says the paper. "The healthy immune system is tolerant to self-antigens. When self-tolerance is disturbed, dysregulation of the immune system follows, resulting in emergence of an autoimmune disease. Vaccination is one of the conditions that may disturb this homeostasis in susceptible individuals, resulting in autoimmune phenomena and ASIA."
Who is "susceptible" is the subject of the paper entitled, "Predicting post-vaccination autoimmunity: Who might be at risk?" It lists four categories of people: 1) those who have had a previous autoimmune reaction to a vaccine, 2) anyone with a medical history of autoimmunity, 3) patients with a history of allergic reactions, 4) anyone at high risk of developing autoimmune disease including anyone with a family history of autoimmunity, presence of autoantibodies which are detectable by blood tests and other factors including low vitamin D and smoking.
PREVIOUS REACTION

Regarding those who have had a previous adverse reaction to vaccines, the paper cites five relevant studies including the case of a death of a teenage girl six months following her third Gardasil injection against HPV virus. She had experienced a range of symptoms shortly after her first dose, including dizziness, numbness and tingling in her hands, and memory lapses. After her second injection, she developed "intermittent arm weakness, frequent tiredness requiring daytime naps," worse tingling, night sweats, chest pain and palpitations. A full autopsy was unrevealing but blood and spleen tissue analysis revealed HPV-16 L1 gene DNA fragments — matching the DNA found in vials of the Gardasil vaccine against cervical cancer — "thus implicating the vaccine as a causal factor." The DNA fragments had also been found to be "complexed with the aluminum adjuvant" which, according to the report, have been shown to persist for up to 8 to 10 years causing chronic immune system stimulation.
"Although data is limited," Shoenfeld and his colleagues concluded, "it seems preferable that individuals with prior autoimmune or autoimmune-like reactions to vaccinations, should not be immunized, at least not with the same type of vaccine."
ESTABLISHED AUTOIMMUNE CONDITION

The second group which the paper cites for vaccine exemption is patients with "established autoimmune conditions." Vaccines don't work so well in them, say Shoenfeld and his colleagues, and they are at "risk for flares following vaccination." Inoculations that contain live viruses including chickenpox, yellow fever and the measles, mumps and rubella triple vaccine (MMR) are "generally contraindicated" for people with autoimmune conditions because of the risk of "uncontrolled viral replication." But inactivated vaccines are not such a good idea either because they usually contain the added ingredient aluminum, linked to autoimmunity.
The immunologists describe recent studies in which patients with autoimmune rheumatic disease given the influenza vaccine (without aluminum) suffered more joint pain and fever than controls and whose levels of autoantibodies (the drones that attack self) increased after receiving the flu vaccine. What's more, they developed new types of autoantibodies that weren't present before the vaccines, and those persisted. As the presence of autoantibodies can be predictive of developing autoimmune disease in patients without symptoms, even years ahead of disease onset, this is troubling to those who understand immunology.
A number of studies claim vaccines are safe for the "overwhelming majority of patients with established autoimmune diseases," the study allows, but they only looked at rheumatoid arthritis and lupus and not at severe and active cases so "the potential benefit of vaccination should be weighed against its potential risk," they cautioned.
PATIENTS WITH A HISTORY OF ALLERGY

Vaccine trials have usually excluded "vulnerable" individuals -- only extremely healthy individuals with no allergies are recruited. It's a "selection bias," say Soriano and Shoenfeld, and has likely resulted in serious adverse events being "considerably underestimated" in "real life where vaccines are mandated to all individuals regardless of their susceptibility." The true incidence of allergic reactions to vaccines, normally estimated at between one in 50,000 to one in a million doses, is probably much higher and particularly where gelatin or egg proteins are on the ingredients list, they say.
There's a long list of vaccine ingredients that are potential allergens: besides the infectious agents themselves, there are those from hen's egg, horse serum, baker's yeast, numerous antibiotics, formaldehyde and lactose, as well "inadvertent" ingredients such as latex. People's allergic histories have to be taken before vaccination say the researchers. But some signs of reaction don't show up until after the shot.
The public health nurse or GP might tell patients that a long-lasting swelling around the injection site after a vaccine is a normal reaction, for example. But that is not what the immunologists say. "[A]luminum sensitization manifests as nodules [hard lumps] at the injection site that often regress after weeks or months, but may persist for years." In such cases, they say, a patch test can be done to confirm sensitivity and to avoid vaccination.
According to a growing body of research, though, allergy may be only the beginning of many dangerous aluminum-induced phenomena.
THE TROUBLE WITH ALUMINUM

Aluminum has been added to vaccines since about 1926 when Alexander Glenny and colleagues noticed it would produce better antibody responses in vaccines than the antigen alone. Glenny figured the alum was inducing what he called a "depot effect" — slowing the release of the antigen and heightening the immune response. For 60 years his theory was accepted dogma. And over the same time, the vaccine schedule grew decade on decade, but few ever questioned the effects of injecting aluminum into the body, which is strange considering its known toxicity.
A PubMed search on aluminum and "toxicity" turns up 4,258 entries. Its neurotoxicity is well documented. It affects memory, cognition, psychomotor control; it damages the blood brain barrier, activates brain inflammation, depresses mitochondrial function and plenty of research suggests it is a key player in the formation of the amyloid "plaques" and tangles in the brains of Alzheimer's patients. It's been implicated in Amyotrophic Lateral Sclerosis and autism and demonstrated to induce allergy.
When kidney dialysis patients were accidentally infused with aluminum, the "dialysis-induced encephalopathy" (DAE) they developed neurological symptoms: speech abnormalities, tremors, memory loss, impaired concentration and behavioural changes. Many of the patients eventually went into comas and died. The lucky ones survived: when the source of toxicity, aluminum, was removed from their dialysis they recovered rapidly.
With these new observations, researchers began investigating the adjuvant effects of aluminum and in the past decade there has been a flurry of research. Far from being a sandbag that holds the antigen for a while and then gets excreted, it turns out that aluminum salts trigger a storm of defence action. Within hours of injection of the same aluminum oxyhydroxide in vaccines into mice, for example, armies of specialized immune cells are on the move, calling in grid coordinates for more specialist assault forces. Within a day, a whole host of immune system commandos are in play -- neutrophils, eosinophils, inflammatory monocytes, myeloid and dendritic cells, activating lymphocytes and secreting proteins called cytokines. The cytokines themselves cause collateral damage but they send out signals, directing cell-to-cell communication and recruiting other cells into action. If the next phase of the attack is launched: fibroblast growth factor, interferons, interleukins, platelet derived growth factor, transforming growth factor and tumour necrosis factor might all be engaged. There's evidence that poorly understood and pesky inflammasomes, (currently a topic of cutting- edge cancer causation research) such as the Nod-like receptor 3( NLRP) are activated too, but it's all still too early to say exactly what they're doing.
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Disapointing....weak.....really weak

I hadn't realised you were so intellectually flaccid

You don't prove anything you just bluster

Suddenly when you don't have the might of the government and big pharma behind you you shrink like a deflated balloon and your big mouth doesn't sound so confident

Lol, poor guy has trouble admitting that he doesn't have a way to dispute these points. So accustomed to not having how wrong you are shoved in your face? So accustomed to people dropping out of the discussion because of your irrationality, and then rationalizing to yourself that really it was because of your superior intellect/correctness on the issue? Now whose the one who is in denial muir?
(your not the only one who can play the slander game muir....)

Let me quote the directly relevant parts for you again as you seem to have trouble reading...

You mixed a lot of words in here, and used them very oddly. Clearly, yes, I am challenging your stance. But my stance is not based in only my desire to challenge you. Actually my desire is to show that you are wrong so that people don't develop ridiculous mistrust and misunderstandings as to the nature of science and certain, very safe, technologies. In other words, I'm arguing against your "fear mongering".

I have considered possible counter arguments, and to be honest there are several you could have used on me. I did not bring them up because insofar as I looked into them, they didn't pan out. Also, if I had brought them up, you would have skewed the points to suit your needs, inflating their weight or claiming them as proof when they have yet to be established. A good example is your response on fluoride. You completely inflated the strength of your claim because it had a glimmer of possible support for your argument. Another example is your evidence with the charts.

I also want to point out that the bolded part is one of the many reasons why people don't like debating with you. Also why you won't get much cooperation from many people.


So that it will be easier for you, I will give you a rehash of the relevant arguments you have yet to respond to beyond quoting articles and posting videos of supposed authorities. Until you can refute those points, then your argument is pointless. Further, it hinges on claiming, "vaccines are toxic because I say so".
 
Lol, poor guy has trouble admitting that he doesn't have a way to dispute these points. So accustomed to not having how wrong you are shoved in your face? So accustomed to people dropping out of the discussion because of your irrationality, and then rationalizing to yourself that really it was because of your superior intellect/correctness on the issue? Now whose the one who is in denial muir?
(your not the only one who can play the slander game muir....)

Let me quote the directly relevant parts for you again as you seem to have trouble reading...





I also want to point out that the bolded part is one of the many reasons why people don't like debating with you. Also why you won't get much cooperation from many people.


So that it will be easier for you, I will give you a rehash of the relevant arguments you have yet to respond to beyond quoting articles and posting videos of supposed authorities. Until you can refute those points, then your argument is pointless. Further, it hinges on claiming, "vaccines are toxic because I say so".

Firstly you and stu have both moved to a new position of admitting that the vaccines do carry risks as they can cause harm

This is progress

However the next stage is for you to realise that the vaccines are designed to be harmful and that they are being used in conjunction with a number of other things to sabotage the health of the public

This is why 1 in 68 kids in the US now develops autism (after being vaccinated)

This not only weakens those kids but also draws the energy and financial resources of the parents of those kids onto caring so it pulls them down energetically too

have you got your flu shot yet dogman?

Concerning evidence, i have posted pages and pages of evidence in this thread and what you fail to realise is that neither you or stu are my target audience

I'm posting information to people who are as yet undecided. Stu admitted at the start of the thread that he gave his kids the full schedule and that his wife had to leave the room as she could not watch her children being stabbed with needles

So you and Stu are in the category of people who are very closed-minded so it has taken many many pages to even get you both to admit that vaccines do harm people

The only person who can assimilate the truth is you so even if i got you signed confessions by CDC people admitting that they falsified data and that vaccines were more harmful than is admitted and that the damage they cause goes well beyond autism and includes autoimmune disorders that many might not even be consciously blaming on vaccines, it would still take you to assimilate that truth (i've already shown a CDC whistleblower admitting it)

For example you could say the signatures were faked or made under duress etc etc and continue denying reality

So all i need to do is keep posting information for people who are researching open-mindedly, and wait patiently for vaccines to have their edward snowden moment. of course the longer we wait for people like you and stu to wake up the more kids will be brain damaged and harmed in other ways so it would be preferable if people like you could wake up sooner rather than later

Perhaps the thing that leaves me most bemused by people like you who so aggressively defend the government is that you must believe that the government actually cares about your health so much that it is going to force you to vaccinate your kids thereby destroying your free will choice

This is the same government that allows the bankers to loot the economy, leaving millions homeless and jobless and rioting in the streets

It doesn't care if people can eat or not but it really really cares that you get your vaccinations and drink down your flouridated water because just as it doesn't care if you get a job or not it cares about your teeth (the false reason it gives for poisoning the water supply with industrial flouride)

Bizarre form of logic you have there

So, i'll be patient like i have with all the other things I spoke about here that time has shown to be true and in the meantime i'll continue to post informative articles from medical experts for the open-minded to read and you can scream like a petulent child all you like
 
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So accustomed to people dropping out of the discussion because of your irrationality, and then rationalizing to yourself that really it was because of your superior intellect/correctness on the issue? Now whose the one who is in denial muir?
(your not the only one who can play the slander game muir....)

Dead on, dogman.

But to stay on topic, vaccines do more good than harm. It's not even debatable, it's a fact. These "herd mentality" anti-vaxers are playing russian roulette with their childrens lives (and their own). How idiotic and selfish!
Yet, parents in any one of the countries in Africa would give their lives to get these vaccines to their children. Potentially saving their child's life from a preventable disease is nothing to fear in their eyes.
Some people don't realize how good they have it. It's a damn shame.
 
Dead on, dogman.

But to stay on topic, vaccines do more good than harm. It's not even debatable, it's a fact. These "herd mentality" anti-vaxers are playing russian roulette with their childrens lives (and their own). How idiotic and selfish!
Yet, parents in any one of the countries in Africa would give their lives to get these vaccines to their children. Potentially saving their child's life from a preventable disease is nothing to fear in their eyes.
Some people don't realize how good they have it. It's a damn shame.

No you're wrong the people in africa are being given the vaccines for free and they are making people sick

In India too people were given mass vaccinations and they also made tens of thousands sick

For example the polio vaccine project paralysed tens of thousands of children


I think you'd benefit from listening to some views outside the corporate media which is networked to big pharma

http://nsnbc.me/2013/05/08/bill-gates-polio-vaccine-program-caused-47500-cases-of-paralysis-death/

Bill Gates’ Polio Vaccine Program Caused 47,500 Cases of Paralysis Death

By the way...have you had your flu shot yet this year?
 
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No you're wrong the people in africa are being given the vaccines for free and they are making people sick

In India too people were given mass vaccinations and they also made tens of thousands sick

For example the polio vaccine project paralysed tens of thousands of children


I think you'd benefit from listening to some views outside the corporate media which is networked to big pharma

http://nsnbc.me/2013/05/08/bill-gates-polio-vaccine-program-caused-47500-cases-of-paralysis-death/

Bill Gates’ Polio Vaccine Program Caused 47,500 Cases of Paralysis Death

By the way...have you had your flu shot yet this year?

That is just not true. As I said, not even debatable. And yes, I have had my flu shot and every other shot recommended. And so have my children.

The Truth:


Bill and Melinda Gates’ polio vaccination efforts in India have not paralyzed 47,500 children.

The eRumor surfaced in 2013 when the website Nsnbc International published a report that claimed Bill and Melinda Gates hired Bollywood actors to encourage Indians to take an oral polo vaccine in a campaign that went horribly wrong:

“Polio is a terrible disease that kills many and paralyzes others. Fifty years ago it was widespread around the world. When you talk to people who remember polio in the United States, they’ll tell you about the fear and panic during an outbreak and describe grim hospital wards full of children in iron lungs that maintained their breathing. At its peak in the United States in 1952, polio paralyzed or killed more than 24,000 people.

“But in 2011 alone, the Bill and Melinda Gates’ polio vaccine campaign in India caused 47,500 cases of paralysis and death.”

The report goes on to claim that the CDC had “dropped the oral polio vaccine from its vaccine schedule in the U.S. because it was causing polio,” which is true. The oral polio vaccine (OPV) has not been used in the U.S. since 2000. The CDC said the risk of paralysis, which effects one out of every 2.4 million children, was too high:

“To eliminate the risk of VAPP, as of January 1, 2000, OPV was no longer recommended for routine immunization in the United States. However, OPV continues to be used in the countries where polio is endemic or the risk of importation and transmission is high. OPV is recommended for global polio eradication activities in polio-endemic countries due to its advantages over IPV in providing intestinal immunity and providing secondary spread of the vaccine to unprotected contacts.”

The Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation said that it contributes technical and financial recourses to the Global Polio Eradication Initiative (GPEI) to support things like targeted vaccination campaigns, community mobilization and stronger routine immunization efforts:

“A cornerstone of the GPEI polio eradication strategy is the goal of reaching all children in the first year of life in the highest-risk countries with multiple doses of OPV, through both national and local vaccination campaigns. Efforts include door-to-door immunization in areas where poliovirus is known or suspected to be circulating, as well as in areas at risk of re-importation, with limited access to healthcare, high population density and mobility, poor sanitation, and low routine immunization coverage…

“OPV, the polio vaccine used in most of the developing world, is safe, effective, easy to administer, and inexpensive. But OPV consists of live, weakened viruses, which in very rare cases – 1 in every 2.7 million first doses of the vaccine – can cause paralysis. In settings with very low OPV coverage, OPV vaccine viruses can also mutate and begin to circulate in the population, just like wild polioviruses.”

But the eRumor’s central claim – that Bill and Melinda Gates’ polio efforts caused “47,500 cases of paralysis death” – is false. It’s based on an editorial in the Indian Journal of Medical Ethics. The editorial said 47,500 new cases of non-polio AFP reported in India in 2011 was “directly proportional” to doses of OPV administered there. The statistic was used to argue the larger point that donor funded “disease-specific” projects should be dropped in favor of community-oriented primary health care programs.

But research doesn’t support the editorial’s claims. Researchers from the Indian Institute of Science and the World Health Organization launched a study on the rise of AFP cases in India, and found that a number of factors contributed to it. First, the definition of AFP had been broadened so that weakness and paralysis that result from non-polio viruses now fall under the AFP definition, which led to many more cases being reported. A second factor is that with polio nearly eradicated in India, screenings for non-polio viruses that cause AFP have spiked dramatically, which means that more cases have been identified. According to the study:

“This large increase in non-polio AFP cases, which represent AFP cases caused by agents other than poliovirus, probably reflects the excellent implementation of the expanded definition of AFP and highly sensitive surveillance and detection methods used by NPSP in India from 2005 onwards, in contrast to the other polio-endemic countries, i.e., Pakistan, Nigeria, and Afghanistan, where the expanded AFP surveillance is not in place. The large increase in the non-polio AFP rate from 1.45 and 1.97 per 100,000 children during 1998—2003 to 16.20 in 2011 further reflects the excellent operational performance of the expanded AFP surveillance in India.”

http://www.truthorfiction.com/bill-and-melinda-gates-polio-efforts-paralyzed-47500-kids/
 
That is just not true. As I said, not even debatable. And yes, I have had my flu shot and every other shot recommended. And so have my children.

The Truth:


Bill and Melinda Gates’ polio vaccination efforts in India have not paralyzed 47,500 children.

The eRumor surfaced in 2013 when the website Nsnbc International published a report that claimed Bill and Melinda Gates hired Bollywood actors to encourage Indians to take an oral polo vaccine in a campaign that went horribly wrong:

“Polio is a terrible disease that kills many and paralyzes others. Fifty years ago it was widespread around the world. When you talk to people who remember polio in the United States, they’ll tell you about the fear and panic during an outbreak and describe grim hospital wards full of children in iron lungs that maintained their breathing. At its peak in the United States in 1952, polio paralyzed or killed more than 24,000 people.

“But in 2011 alone, the Bill and Melinda Gates’ polio vaccine campaign in India caused 47,500 cases of paralysis and death.”

The report goes on to claim that the CDC had “dropped the oral polio vaccine from its vaccine schedule in the U.S. because it was causing polio,” which is true. The oral polio vaccine (OPV) has not been used in the U.S. since 2000. The CDC said the risk of paralysis, which effects one out of every 2.4 million children, was too high:

“To eliminate the risk of VAPP, as of January 1, 2000, OPV was no longer recommended for routine immunization in the United States. However, OPV continues to be used in the countries where polio is endemic or the risk of importation and transmission is high. OPV is recommended for global polio eradication activities in polio-endemic countries due to its advantages over IPV in providing intestinal immunity and providing secondary spread of the vaccine to unprotected contacts.”

The Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation said that it contributes technical and financial recourses to the Global Polio Eradication Initiative (GPEI) to support things like targeted vaccination campaigns, community mobilization and stronger routine immunization efforts:

“A cornerstone of the GPEI polio eradication strategy is the goal of reaching all children in the first year of life in the highest-risk countries with multiple doses of OPV, through both national and local vaccination campaigns. Efforts include door-to-door immunization in areas where poliovirus is known or suspected to be circulating, as well as in areas at risk of re-importation, with limited access to healthcare, high population density and mobility, poor sanitation, and low routine immunization coverage…

“OPV, the polio vaccine used in most of the developing world, is safe, effective, easy to administer, and inexpensive. But OPV consists of live, weakened viruses, which in very rare cases — 1 in every 2.7 million first doses of the vaccine — can cause paralysis. In settings with very low OPV coverage, OPV vaccine viruses can also mutate and begin to circulate in the population, just like wild polioviruses.”

But the eRumor’s central claim — that Bill and Melinda Gates’ polio efforts caused “47,500 cases of paralysis death” — is false. It’s based on an editorial in the Indian Journal of Medical Ethics. The editorial said 47,500 new cases of non-polio AFP reported in India in 2011 was “directly proportional” to doses of OPV administered there. The statistic was used to argue the larger point that donor funded “disease-specific” projects should be dropped in favor of community-oriented primary health care programs.

But research doesn’t support the editorial’s claims. Researchers from the Indian Institute of Science and the World Health Organization launched a study on the rise of AFP cases in India, and found that a number of factors contributed to it. First, the definition of AFP had been broadened so that weakness and paralysis that result from non-polio viruses now fall under the AFP definition, which led to many more cases being reported. A second factor is that with polio nearly eradicated in India, screenings for non-polio viruses that cause AFP have spiked dramatically, which means that more cases have been identified. According to the study:

“This large increase in non-polio AFP cases, which represent AFP cases caused by agents other than poliovirus, probably reflects the excellent implementation of the expanded definition of AFP and highly sensitive surveillance and detection methods used by NPSP in India from 2005 onwards, in contrast to the other polio-endemic countries, i.e., Pakistan, Nigeria, and Afghanistan, where the expanded AFP surveillance is not in place. The large increase in the non-polio AFP rate from 1.45 and 1.97 per 100,000 children during 1998–2003 to 16.20 in 2011 further reflects the excellent operational performance of the expanded AFP surveillance in India.”

http://www.truthorfiction.com/bill-and-melinda-gates-polio-efforts-paralyzed-47500-kids/

Oh WAKE UP will you!!!

The WHO disagreed with the figures...well yes of course the WHO disagreed with the figures because the WHO are part of the same network as the Bill and melinda gates foundation

Before i go and give examples of WHO corruption i want to point out two things from your article above

First of all it says that the polio vaccine was not given to the US public because the risks of paralysis were deemed too great.....so......the vaccine is too dangerous for the US public but it's ok to go giving it to those brown people over there? Disgusting!

The second point is that it admits that there WERE that figure of extra paralysis cases so you have to ask 'WHY THE SUDDEN UPSURGE OF PARALYSIS IN THE WAKE OF THE POLIO VACCINATIONS?'

Ok lets get back to that CFR front group the 'world health organisation'....fuck...what a sick name.....the world 'health' organisation

These fuckers always do this...they always hide behind fake missleading names. For example the 'federal reserve' is neither 'federal' (its a cartel of private banks) nor is it a reserve (it has nothing on deposit)

What other ones are there....oh yeah....the israeli 'defence' force which likes to offencively attack its neighbouring countries (it should be called the israel attack force)

Or the nobel 'peace' prize being given to Barak 'drone kill list' obama

Or the way they say that they are for 'democracy' when they are for global dictatorship

Its all orwellian doublespeak; these guys are laughing at you

http://www.naturalnews.com/028936_WHO_vaccines.html

WHO scandal exposed: Advisors received kickbacks from H1N1 vaccine manufacturers


https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/n...chief-involved-in-population-control-vaccine-

NEW WORLD HEALTH ORGANIZATION CHIEF INVOLVED IN POPULATION CONTROL VACCINE SCANDAL


http://rense.com/general88/megawho.htm

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David Rockefeller speaking to the Council on Foreign Relations on population control (the bill and melinda gates foundation ARE CFR MEMBERS!!!!!!!)

[video=youtube;OrSq3jbI1NQ]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OrSq3jbI1NQ[/video]

Ted Turner, CFR member speaks about population control (he has many kids of his own mind)

[video=youtube;N_zNFuVaqTI]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N_zNFuVaqTI[/video]

Bill gates, CFR member talking about using vaccines to reduce the worlds population

[video=youtube;pjj4Iq-rsNg]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pjj4Iq-rsNg[/video]
 
for fucks sake...WAKE UPPPPPPPP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
http://www.wnd.com/2009/05/99105/

[h=1]Secret billionaire club seeks population control[/h] [h=2]Gates, Rockefeller, Turner, Oprah, Buffett, Soros, Bloomberg attend meeting[/h] Published: 05/24/2009 at 6:48 PM

WASHINGTON – Some of the richest men and women in the world met secretly recently in New York to conspire on using their vast wealth to bring the world’s population growth under control.
The meeting included some of the biggest names in the “billionaires club,” according to the London Times – Bill Gates, David Rockefeller, Ted Turner, Oprah Winfrey, Warren Buffett, George Soros and Michael Bloomberg.


The meeting at the home of Sir Paul Nurse, a British Nobel Prize-winning biochemist and president of Rockefeller University, was the inspiration of Gates and took place three weeks ago.
“The informal afternoon session was so discreet that some of the billionaires’ aides were told they were at ‘security briefings,’” the Times reported today.
Stacy Palmer, editor of the Chronicle of Philanthropy, speculated that the secrecy surrounding the meeting may have been due to concern that “they don’t want to be seen as a global cabal.”
Get the inside story on the globalist insiders who have been meeting for decades in highly guarded secret. Learn from author who penetrated Bilderbergers
According to the Times, the billionaires were each given 15 minutes to present their favorite cause. Over dinner they discussed how they might settle on an “umbrella cause” that could harness their interests. Taking their cue from Gates, the report said, they agreed population control was the No. 1 issue.
In February, Gates, 53, outlined an ambitious plan to cap global population at 8.3 billion – about one billion fewer than currently projected.
Patricia Stonesifer, former chief executive of the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation, said the billionaires would continue to meet over the next few months.
A guest at the meeting told the Times population growth would be addressed as a potentially disastrous environmental, social and industrial threat.
“This is something so nightmarish that everyone in this group agreed it needs big-brain answers,” said the guest. “They need to be independent of government agencies, which are unable to head off the disaster we all see looming.”
As to secrecy, the guest said, “They wanted to speak rich to rich without worrying anything they said would end up in the newspapers, painting them as an alternative world government.”
 
http://rense.com/general59/kissingereugenics.htm

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[SIZE=+1]Dr. Henry Kissinger, who wrote: "Depopulation should be the highest priority of U.S. foreign policy towards the Third World."[/SIZE]
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Research on population control, preventing future births, is now being carried out secretly by biotech companies. Dr. Ignacio Chapela, a University of California microbiologist, discovered that wild corn in remote parts of Mexico is contaminated with lab altered DNA. That discovery made him a threat to the biotech industry.[/SIZE] [SIZE=+1]Chapela was denied tenure at UC Berkeley when he reported this to the scientific community, despite the embarrassing discovery that UC Chancellor Berdahl, who was denying him tenure, was getting large cash payments - $40,000 per year - from the LAM Research Corp. in Plano, Texas.[/SIZE] [SIZE=+1]Berdahl served as president of Texas A&M University before coming to Berkeley. During a presentation about his case, Chapela revealed that a spermicidal corn developed by a U.S. company is now being tested in Mexico. Males who unknowingly eat the corn produce non-viable sperm and are unable to reproduce.[/SIZE] [SIZE=+1]Depopulation, also known as eugenics, is quite another thing and was proposed under the Nazis during World War II. It is the deliberate killing off of large segments of living populations and was proposed for Third World countries under President Carter's administration by the National Security Council's Ad Hoc Group on Population Policy.[/SIZE] [SIZE=+1]National Security Memo 200, dated April 24, 1974, and titled "Implications of world wide population growth for U.S. security & overseas interests," says:[/SIZE] [SIZE=+1]"Dr. Henry Kissinger proposed in his memorandum to the NSC that "depopulation should be the highest priority of U.S. foreign policy towards the Third World." He quoted reasons of national security, and because `(t)he U.S. economy will require large and increasing amounts of minerals from abroad, especially from less-developed countries ... Wherever a lessening of population can increase the prospects for such stability, population policy becomes relevant to resources, supplies and to the economic interests of U.S.[/SIZE] [SIZE=+1]Depopulation policy became the top priority under the NSC agenda, Club of Rome and U.S. policymakers like Gen. Alexander Haig, Cyrus Vance, Ed Muskie and Kissinger. According to an NSC spokesman at the time, the United States shared the view of former World Bank President Robert McNamara that the "population crisis" is a greater threat to U.S. national security interests than nuclear annihilation.In 1975, Henry Kissinger established a policy-planning group in the U.S. State Department's Office of Population Affairs. The depopulation "GLOBAL 2000" document for President Jimmy Carter was prepared.[/SIZE] [SIZE=+1]It is no surprise that this policy was established under President Carter with help from Kissinger and Brzezinski - all with ties to David Rockefeller. The Bush family, the Harriman family - the Wall Street business partners of Bush in financing Hitler - and the Rockefeller family are the elite of the American eugenics movement. Even Prince Philip of Britain, a member of the Bilderberg Group, is in favor of depopulation:[/SIZE] [SIZE=+1]"If I were reincarnated I would wish to be returned to earth as a killer virus to lower human population levels" (Prince Philip Duke of Edinburgh, leader of the World Wildlife Fund, quoted in "Are You Ready for Our New Age Future?" Insiders Report, American Policy Center, December 1995).[/SIZE] [SIZE=+1]Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld has been proposing, funding and building Bio-Weapons Level 3 and Level 4 labs at many places around the U.S. even on university campuses and in densely populated urban locations. In a Bio-Weapons Level 4 facility, a single bacteria or virus is lethal. Bio-Weapons Level 4 is the highest level legally allowed in the continental U.S.[/SIZE] [SIZE=+1]For what purpose are these labs being developed, and who will make the decisions on where bio-weapons created in these facilities will be used and on whom? More than 20 world-class microbiologists have been murdered since 2002, mostly in the U.S. and the UK. Nearly all were working on development of ethnic-specific bio-weapons (see Smart Dust, Roboflies &).[/SIZE] [SIZE=+1]Citizens around the U.S. are frantically filing lawsuits to stop these labs on campuses and in communities where they live. Despite the opposition of residents living near UC Davis, where a Bio-Weapons Level 4 lab was planned, it had the support of the towns mayor.[/SIZE] [SIZE=+1]She suddenly reversed her position after a monkey escaped from a high security primate facility on the campus where the bio-weapons lab was proposed. Residents claimed that if UC Davis could not keep monkeys from escaping from their cages, they certainly could not guarantee that a single virus or bacteria would not escape from a test tube. The AWOL monkey killed the project (see Smart Dust, Roboflies&).[/SIZE] [SIZE=+1]Population is a political problem. The extreme secrecy surrounding the takeover of nuclear weapons, NASA and the space program and the development of numerous bio-weapons labs is a threat to civil society, especially in the hands of the military and corporations.[/SIZE] [SIZE=+1]The fascist application of all three of these programs can be used to achieve established U.S. government depopulation policy goals, which may eliminate 2 billion of the worlds existing population through war, famine, disease and any other methods necessary.[/SIZE] [SIZE=+1]Two excellent examples of existing U.S. depopulation policy are, first, the long-term impact on the civilian population from Agent Orange in Vietnam, where the Rockefellers built oil refineries and aluminum plants during the Vietnam War. The second is the permanent contamination of the Middle East and Central Asia with depleted uranium, which, unfortunately, will destroy the genetic future of the populations living in those regions and will also have a global effect already reflected in increases in infant mortality reported in the U.S., Europe, and the UK.[/SIZE] [SIZE=+1]References[/SIZE] [SIZE=+1]Birth defects: The Tiny Victims of Desert Storm,Life photo-essay [/SIZE] [SIZE=+1](1995), http://www.life.com[/SIZE] [SIZE=+1]/Life/essay/gulfwar/gulf01.html.[/SIZE] [SIZE=+1]Statement by Prince Philip Duke of Edinburgh, [/SIZE] [SIZE=+1]http://homepage.mac.com[/SIZE] [SIZE=+1]/kaaawa/iblog/C337802379/E1557478132/.[/SIZE] [SIZE=+1]Smart dust, roboflies, microbugs: UC is spying on youby Leuren Moret, [/SIZE] [SIZE=+1]San Francisco Bay View, Feb. 26, 2003, [/SIZE] [SIZE=+1]http://www.mindfully.org[/SIZE] [SIZE=+1]/Nucs/2003/Berkeley-Library-Classified22feb03.htm.[/SIZE] [SIZE=+1]San Francisco Bay View[/SIZE] [SIZE=+1]National Black Newspaper[/SIZE] [SIZE=+1]4917 Third Street[/SIZE] [SIZE=+1]San Francisco California 94124[/SIZE] [SIZE=+1]Phone: (415) 671-0789[/SIZE] [SIZE=+1]Fax: (415) 671-0316[/SIZE] [SIZE=+1]editor@sfbayview.co[/SIZE] [SIZE=+1]http://www.sfbayview.com[/SIZE] [SIZE=+1]/110304/ucregents110304.shtml
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Another CFR offshoot is:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Club_of_Rome

The Club of Rome is a global think tank that deals with a variety of international political issues. Founded in 1968 at Accademia dei Lincei in Rome, Italy, the Club of Rome describes itself as "a group of world citizens, sharing a common concern for the future of humanity." It consists of current and former heads of state, UN bureaucrats, high-level politicians and government officials, diplomats, scientists, economists and business leaders from around the globe.[SUP][1][/SUP] It raised considerable public attention in 1972 with its report The Limits to Growth. The club states that its mission is "to act as a global catalyst for change through the identification and analysis of the crucial problems facing humanity and the communication of such problems to the most important public and private decision makers as well as to the general public."[SUP][2][/SUP] Since 1 July 2008, the organization has its headquarters in Winterthur, Switzerland.

[h=2]Formation[/h] The Club of Rome was founded in April 1968[SUP][3][/SUP] by Aurelio Peccei, an Italian industrialist,[SUP][4][/SUP] and Alexander King, a Scottish scientist. It was formed when a small international group of people from the fields of academia, civil society, diplomacy, and industry, met at a villa in Rome, hence the name.
Hasan Özbekhan, Erich Jantsch and Alexander Christakis were responsible for conceptualizing the original prospectus of the Club of Rome titled "The Predicament of Mankind".[SUP][5][/SUP]
The Club of Rome raised considerable public attention with its report Limits to Growth, which has sold 12 million copies in more than 30 translations, making it the best-selling environmental book in world history.[SUP][6][/SUP] Published in 1972 and presented for the first time at the International Students' Committee (ISC) annual Management Symposium in St. Gallen, Switzerland, it predicted that economic growth could not continue indefinitely because of the limited availability of natural resources, particularly oil. The 1973 oil crisis increased public concern about this problem. However, even before Limits to Growth was published, Eduard Pestel and Mihajlo Mesarovic of Case Western Reserve University had begun work on a far more elaborate model (it distinguished ten world regions and involved 200,000 equations compared with 1000 in the Meadows model). The research had the full support of the Club and the final publication, Mankind at the Turning Point was accepted as the official Second Report to the Club of Rome in 1974. In addition to providing a more refined regional breakdown, Pestel and Mesarovic had succeeded in integrating social as well as technical data. The Second Report revised the predictions of the original Limits to Growth and gave a more optimistic prognosis for the future of the environment, noting that many of the factors were within human control and therefore that environmental and economic catastrophe were preventable or avoidable, hence the title.
In 1991, the Club published The First Global Revolution.[SUP][7][/SUP] It analyses the problems of humanity, calling these collectively or in essence the 'problematique'. It notes (laments) that, historically, social or political unity has commonly been motivated by enemies in common: "The need for enemies seems to be a common historical factor. Some states have striven to overcome domestic failure and internal contradictions by blaming external enemies. The ploy of finding a scapegoat is as old as mankind itself - when things become too difficult at home, divert attention to adventure abroad. Bring the divided nation together to face an outside enemy, either a real one, or else one invented for the purpose. With the disappearance of the traditional enemy, the temptation is to use religious or ethnic minorities as scapegoats, especially those whose differences from the majority are disturbing."[SUP][8][/SUP] "Every state has been so used to classifying its neighbours as friend or foe, that the sudden absence of traditional adversaries has left governments and public opinion with a great void to fill. New enemies have to be identified, new strategies imagined, and new weapons devised."[SUP][8][/SUP] "In searching for a common enemy against whom we can unite, we came up with the idea that pollution, the threat of global warming, water shortages, famine and the like, would fit the bill. In their totality and their interactions these phenomena do constitute a common threat which must be confronted by everyone together. But in designating these dangers as the enemy, we fall into the trap, which we have already warned readers about, namely mistaking symptoms for causes. All these dangers are caused by human intervention in natural processes, and it is only through changed attitudes and behaviour that they can be overcome. The real enemy then is humanity itself."[SUP][9][/SUP]
In 2001 the Club of Rome established a think tank, called tt30, comprising around 30 men and women ages 25-35. It aimed to identify and solve problems in the world, from a younger perspective.[SUP][10][/SUP]
A study by Graham Turner of the research organisation CSIRO in Australia in 2008 found that "30 years of historical data compare favorably with key features of a business-as-usual scenario called the ‘‘standard run’’ scenario, which results in collapse of the global system midway through the 21st century."[SUP][11][/SUP]
[h=2]Organization[/h] According to its website, the Club of Rome is composed of "scientists, economists, businessmen, international high civil servants, heads of state and former heads of state from all five continents who are convinced that the future of humankind is not determined once and for all and that each human being can contribute to the improvement of our societies."
The club has two co-presidents, Anders Wijkman (Sweden) and Ernst Ulrich von Weizsäcker (Germany), and two vice-president, Dr. Roberto Peccei (Italy and USA) and Susana Catalina Chacón Domínguez (Mexico). The secretary-general is currently Graeme Maxton, of Scotland. He is responsible for the day-to-day operation of the club at its headquarters in Winterthur, Switzerland. Other active members include:Ugo Bardi, Benjamin Bassin, Princess Beatrix of the Netherlands, Juan Luis Cebrian, Orio Giarini, Talat Halman, Fernando Henrique Cardoso, Javier Solana, Mugur Isărescu, Kamal Hossain, Esko Kalimo, Ashok Khosla, Roberto Peccei, Maria Ramirez Ribes, Jorgen Randers, Victor A. Sadovnichy, Keith Suter, Majid Tehranian, Raoul Weiler, and Mikhail Gorbachev.[SUP][citation needed][/SUP]
The annual meeting of 2014 took place in Mexico City, Mexico
[h=2]National associations[/h] There are national CoR associations in many nations[SUP][citation needed][/SUP], including a number of European nations, USA, Canada, Mexico, Brazil, Puerto Rico, Venezuela, and Asian nations. These associations analyze national problems in terms of the same factors and give advice nationally to decision-makers.[SUP][citation needed][/SUP]
[h=2]Current activities[/h] In 2009, the organization established a three-year program on "A New Path for World Development". In a flyer describing the project, it declared "The global issues which were the focus of the 1972 Report, “Limits to Growth” are even more severe and urgent today." The project has five issue areas: Environment and Resources, Globalization, International Development, Social Transformation, and Peace and Security.[SUP][12][/SUP]
[h=2]Worldviews[/h] The club's worldview is based on three things. First it has a global perspective in viewing different situations, with the awareness that there is an increasing interdependency of countries. Second it seeks for holistic solutions understanding the different interactions in contemporary problems. Finally, the club has a long-term perspective for solutions.[SUP][13][/SUP]
[h=2]Notable members[/h]
 
http://www.rense.com/general96/club.html

The Club Of Rome
By Jim Kiran
3-22-14


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[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]AKA: [/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]The Gang of 300, The Tri-lateral Commission[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]The USSA, Israel Inc, The Club of Rome,[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]The Illuminati, The Vatican[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]&[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]The New World Order[/FONT]


[FONT=Dauphin, serif]Altogether This is AGENDA 21[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]There’s a video which brings all of these supposedly separate evils together. The video ties Israel and the USSA to the single most criminal set of actions, to the attempt to murder 95% of the global population. And this murderous association has been going on since 1968.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]What is absolutely amazing is that this extremely public set of ‘groups’ has been publicly stating their intentions since 1968. Apparently the planet has failed to take notice, much less to react to their direct threat to carry out this global-death sentence. (1)[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]There wasn’t time to transcribe the whole video. I skipped [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]PART I[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif] and highlighted [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]PART 2[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif] [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]@[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif] [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]15min 32 sec to 30min 35sec[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]. Bayer Corporation the Rat of the Week. Carter led this effort to depopulate the planet by attempting to kill 2 billion people. In this part of the video we’re introduced to seven of the wealthiest people on the planet. All are members of the Club of Rome, who are, or should be of great concern to every American. You can see and read it all at the link.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]PART 3[/FONT]


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n Part 3 Autism is covered, and perverted, by the World Health Association that’s responsible for increasing the mercury in vaccinations by 400% more than is safe for a normal child. This is shown here to be responsible for having created “Autism’ in otherwise normal children. This amounts to mass murder by the United Nations.
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[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]PART 4[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]The Illuminati and the Depopulation Agenda[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Bill Gates, David Rockefeller, Ted Turner Oprah Winfrey, Warren Buffet, George Soros, and Michael Bloomberg.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]To these creatures Population Control is the Number 1 Issue:[/FONT]


“[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Who Will live and Who Must die” * is all that matters.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]At 46min. and 27 sec.[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif] Obamanation has revived the Euthanasia of Hitler’s Germany in 1939 * which began the genocide being carried our here. The apparatus here is to deny medical care to elderly, chronically ill and poor people and thus ‘save us’ the president says “2 to 3 trillion dollars by taking the lives that are “considered not worthy to be lived” * as the Nazi-doctors said.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Also in Part 4, FLORIDE * poisons millions of people through the public water supply. This is thoroughly explained and documented. (It’s all TERRORISM) brought to us by the W.H.O. & F. H.O. through use of industrial poisons. [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Ends @ 58 min, 44sec.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]PART 5[/FONT]


‘[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]All food must be irradiated’ 3 billion deaths, 1 billion from starvation, 2 billions will die from preventable diseases from under-nutrition. The survivors will be the wealthy who can buy ‘clean-food’. [/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]AGENDA 21[/FONT]


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[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]“The origins of environmental investment as we see it began in 1968, when the Club of Rome was founded.”[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]k) This paralleled LBJ’s failure to end the US war in Vietnam * in 1968. The public ended LBJ’s presidency but that created a need to stop the public from becoming any further involved in wars or politics again: Answer - the Club of Rome, to be followed by the Trilateral Commission in 1973 which ended any increases in what workers could ever earn from their labor.[/FONT]
“[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]The Club of Rome has been described as a crisis think-tank which specializes in crisis creation. The main purpose of this (Vatican correlated) think tank was to formulate a crisis ‘to unite the world and condition us to the idea of global solutions for local problems. In a document called ‘The 1[/FONT][SUP][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]st[/FONT][/SUP][FONT=Arial, sans-serif] Global Revolution, authored by Alexander King and Bertrand Schneider on Pg. 104 & 105 it stated: In searching for a new enemy to unite us, we came us with the idea that pollution. The threat of global-warming, water shortages, famine and the like would fill the bill. [/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]All these dangers, of course, will be caused by human intervention that will require a global-response. That’s the origin of “Global-Warming” Ladies & Gentlemen[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif].[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif][/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif] @1 hr. 04min 36 sec.[/FONT]
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“[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]In 1992 a former president of the United States, George Bush Sr. said: “Effective Execution of Agenda 21 will require profound reorientation of human society: Unlike anything the world has ever experienced. A major shift in the priorities of both governments and individuals and an unprecedented redeployment of human and financial resources. This shift will demand that a concern for the environmental consequences of every human action will be integrated into individual and collective decision-making, at every level.”[/FONT]
“[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Cutting thru the Code I want everyone to consider what the words “profound-reorientation of all human society” and “Unprecedented *redeployment of human and financial resources” actually means.”[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]For everyone here tonight, not familiar with Agenda 21, I would suggest that this is the beginning of your learning curve, not the end.”[/FONT]
“[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]In 1992 Morris Strong, Secretary General of the UN Earth Summit and member of the Club of Rome said: “It is clear that current lifestyles and consumption patterns of the affluent class involve high intake consumption of large amounts of frozen convenience foods, use of fossil fuels, ownership of motor vehicles, small electrical appliances, home and workplace air conditioning and suburban housing * and are not sustainable.”[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]k) Each and every category mentioned, also just happens to involve the jobs of millions of currently employed people—all of those jobs which will vanish, if these products are removed from American life.[/FONT]
“[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Put those statements together with previous ones and it must become clear that Agenda 21 is about controlling every aspect of our lives. How we eat, what we eat, how much we eat, how we move around, food production and where we even live.[/FONT]
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[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Dixie Ray, former Washington State Governor and Assistant Secretary for Oceans and International Environmental and Scientific Affairs stated: Agenda 21 seeks to establish a mechanism for transferring the wealth from citizens to the third world. Fear of Environmental Crisis will be used to create a World Government and UN Central Direction.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]From a report from the UN’s 1976 Habitat One Conference: Land cannot be trusted as an ordinary asset. Control by individuals is subject to the pressures and inefficiencies of the market. [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif](k- base-line old-world-communist reasoning) [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Private land ownership is also a principal instrument of accumulation and concentration of wealth and therefore contributes to “SOCIAL INJUSTICE”. [/FONT]
“[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]In other words Ladies and Gentlemen if you work hard and you exercise good financial management and invest in property * you are contributing to social injustice.”[/FONT]
“ [FONT=Arial, sans-serif]In a report from The President’s Council on Sustainable Development: “We need a new collaborative decision process that leads to better decisions, more rapid changes, and more sensible use of human, natural and financial resources in advancing our goals.” And at the same time Harvey Rubin, Vice-Chair of the Wildlands Project [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif](above)[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif] says: [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Individual Rights will have to take a back-seat to the collective.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Jay Gary Lawrence, advisor to President Clinton’s Council on sustainable Development said: “Participating in a UN advocated planning process would very likely bring out many of the conspiracy fixated groups and individuals in our society.” [/FONT]
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nd here we are!”
[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]k- This has however not been the case, as proven by California having adopted Agenda 21 without any public outcry - YET! [/FONT]
“[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]This segment of our society who fear one world government and UN invasion through which our individual freedoms will be stripped away, would actively work to defeat any elected official who joined the conspiracy by undertaking Agenda 21, so we will call our process something else. We will call it ‘comprehensive planning’ or growth management or ‘smart growth’. We ended up with “Sustainable Development”. [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]k- This was embraced completely by the USSA & California[/FONT]
‘[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]The redeployment of human and financial resources has now become visible to us all by the cuts to servicing programs to the sick, the young, the elderly and of course the creation of another level of poverty, now identified by the term “the working poor”…[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]We see Debit cash grabbing by new taxes called levies, supposedly because we are ‘cash-strapped’ in this state, and at the same time we see big project spending that does not fit with the message that we’re in a financial crisis! But we the people have to tighten our belts while the government seems absolutely unaware and unconcerned of the amount of Debt that is accumulating. This in turn means that taxes, levies, fines and other penalties will increase as well as the cost of living rises exponentially. And the ordinary citizen’s ability to exist-well is compromised with almost every law that we pass. We’re constantly paying for some local services that we don’t receive.”[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]k- Along with billions, sometimes trillions in gifts of our money to Israel and to the global-war-machine, that is never even counted, but we are obligated to pay that money, regardless of what we want the money to actually be used for.[/FONT]
“[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]This is wealth redistribution at the grass-roots level. Redeployment of financial resources, insuring only hardships for the citizens that just want to really get on with their lives.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]The Parliament has also ventured into the rights of the people to own and retain their property and manage it without government interference. In particular the laws around water allocation, natural resource management, the native vegetation act, the development and planning act, which are all equally toxic to our food producers as they are to our long term security. We city dwellers need to remember that we pay a natural resource management levy on our tax rights. So this is not just going to affect food producers. The intrusions into our property that land producers are going through will roll out into the suburbs and into the city because they have the authority to do that. [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]@1hr. 1min 23sec. [/FONT]


[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]PART 6[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]The Illuminati & Depopulation Agenda[/FONT]


…“[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]As Agenda 21becomes more and more apparent to me, I began using the line in Parliament “the government was now declaring war on its own citizens” and that goes back as far as 2008. This of course, led me to be liable as a conspiracy theorist, but here we are now openly talking about Agenda 21 and the ramifications we all see in the short period of time, if this is not stopped in its tracks… Published in 1972 * the alarm to the limits of growth document, warning of world-wide over-population: The need for sustainable development. This was the beginning of the slow process of social engineering and programming people to accept that the planet is struggling to survive and to sustain life.”[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]k) Designed collapse, the murder of the Rainforests, Desertification, Starvation, Drought & the return of the Dustbowl along with poisoning every aspect of the planet’s natural systems for natural survival that have all been attacked by the same 300 people worldwide.[/FONT]
“[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]On the 8[/FONT][SUP][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]th[/FONT][/SUP][FONT=Arial, sans-serif] of October 1973, the New York Times reported a quote from Ted Turner, also Club of Rome: “The social Experiment in China and Chairman Mao, under Chairman Mao’s leadership is one of the most important and successful in human history. [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif](k- The one child per family plan * this happened right after the first meeting of the Tri-lateral Commission, also referred to as the Committee of 300)[/FONT]
“[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]In 1997 Michal Gorbachev, also a member of Club of Rome said: “We are moving toward a New World Order. The world of Communism and we shall never turn off that road. He was also quoted in 1996, monitoring an economic review on page 5; the environmental crisis will be the international disaster that will unlock the new world order and one world government.”[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]k-Gorbachev’s Russia fell apart when the USSR died, it would be grand if the same thing happened to the Club of Rome and those 300 global criminals that are still running the lives of everyone on the planet…[/FONT]
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“[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]In 1992 came the earth summit which produced the document called the earth charter. This document was co-written Morris Strong, longtime globalist, elitist, member Club of Rome and Michael Gaubachon (?) [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif](They)[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif] stated that it was hoped that this document would be adopted as the new Ten Commandments.”[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]k- Some might think that the Georgia Guidestones might have something to do with this interpretation?[/FONT]
“[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]With environmentalism the new one world religion and out of this summit came Agenda 21. Ted Turner, also a member of Club of Rome was quoted in 1996 as saying: “The total population of 250 to 300 million people is ideal. That means a reduction of 95% from present levels, which would be even more ideal. Anyone who abhors the China one-child policy is simply a dumb-dumb.” In 1998 the Baltimore Sun reported on July 7, Most of Ted Turner’s first donation to the UN of 22 million went to programs that seek to stall population. Another goal of the depopulation process is that the upcoming[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif] [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]generation will be their sterilization, to save mother earth.” [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Ends @ 1 hour 15min. 17sec.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]The Earth has Cancer and the Cancer is man[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif][/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Club of Rome, mankind at the Turning Point. [/FONT]
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[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Mankind indeed has global-cancer and that cancer is [/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]THE CLUB OF ROME & all its MEMBERS[/FONT]


[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]If anyone, or any group of creatures, in the less than filthy-rich category were to threaten to slaughter 95% of the planet * dating back 46 years to 1968 - that group would have been hunted down and murdered by every enforcement or security agency in the world (That would have to involve millions of individuals).[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Where then are the actions that justifiably threaten these self-confessed would-be assassins of 95% of the global population?[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]How dare these spoiled and arrogant barbarians appoint themselves to slaughter the rest of the people on this planet?[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]What exactly gives anyone the right to kill billions of people?[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Just imagine that anyone except the untouchable 300 had said or advocated anything even remotely related to this blasphemous outrage * against all the people of the planet * then [/FONT]
“[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]How is it that anyone can still justify the continued existence of the Club of Rome or any of its various versions or the existence of their members* anywhere in the world today” If we don’t end this now then they’ll kill us because we’ve become far too cowardly to survive any longer.[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif][/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]Here’s a bit of advice from a Hopi elder about what this world and our existence in it is all about. According to the elder, we’ve forgotten how to live in this world, which is why real changes are coming… [/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif](2)[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]kirwanstudios@sbcglobal.net[/FONT][FONT=Arial, sans-serif] [/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]1) The Illuminati and the Depopulation Agenda * Parts 1 to 6 * 1hr 27min 41 sec. VIDEO[/FONT]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h9YCrCzlF-k

[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]2) U.S. WILL NOT SURVIVE SAYS HOPI ELDER.[/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, sans-serif]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eLqOkdebDkY[/FONT]
 
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