Vaccines Debate

That's right folks...'science'based medicine says injecting your kid with aluminium is good for your kid! And yes there is formaldehyde in the vaccines which is also in car exhasut fumes but hey don't worry its only in small doses (26 shots in the first year of a childs life followed by many more over subsequent years)

They wish they didn't have to use formaldehyde but hey....lets just move on....its not that bad...its not like we're trying to pickle your kids insides or anything

Also forget about thimerosol as they took that out of the shots for children (so they admit they were poisoning us!!!!!!!!) but don't worry adults 'science' based medicine still has thimerosol in your flu vaccines so you can all still get a nice shot of mercury in your blood! Yay!

And although science based medicine admits it is possible for shots to be contaminated with bacteria....you can trust them because they (crosses fingers behind their backs) are not part of the globalist agenda and are not receiving funds form the globalists...no sir-eee!

Now have another cup here of nice kool aid...i've put some aluminium in it because that's good for you....and remember: IGNORANCE is STRENGTH

What is toxicity? What makes something toxic vs nontoxic? It is the amount of substance, not the substance itself that determines toxicity. One atom of Mercury injected into your blood is not going to kill you or harm you any measurable way. Neither is one molecule of formaldehyde. There is a threshold that needs to be met before any of these become toxic. Just because formaldehyde and thimerosol are in vaccines does not mean that they are in a concentration that will cause any measurable amount of toxicity, even after numerous vaccines are given at the same time. To disregard that fact, is ignorant, in my opinion.

Where is the data, the actual scientific studies that demonstrate that vaccines contain these substances at a toxic level?
 
Swine flu scaremongering leading to widespread vaccinations in 1976 killed and maimed thousands

[video=youtube;go-TIyJJcH8]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=go-TIyJJcH8[/video]
 
What is toxicity? What makes something toxic vs nontoxic? It is the amount of substance, not the substance itself that determines toxicity. One atom of Mercury injected into your blood is not going to kill you or harm you any measurable way. Neither is one molecule of formaldehyde. There is a threshold that needs to be met before any of these become toxic. Just because formaldehyde and thimerosol are in vaccines does not mean that they are in a concentration that will cause any measurable amount of toxicity, even after numerous vaccines are given at the same time. To disregard that fact, is ignorant, in my opinion.

Where is the data, the actual scientific studies that demonstrate that vaccines contain these substances at a toxic level?

[video=youtube;7YkUoNAzG48]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7YkUoNAzG48[/video]
 
http://www.drhansen.com/2009/10/15/...’s-maximum-exposure-limit-by-as-much-as-250x/

[h=1]Mercury in Vaccines Exceed EPA’s Maximum[/h] Posted on October 15, 2009 by Clark Hansen N.M.D.
Most of the 120 million doses of the 2009-2010 Seasonal Flu Vaccine, as well as most of the 250 million doses of the 2009 pandemic H1N1 Swine flu vaccine contain toxic levels of Mercury.
Mercury is used as a preservative in vaccines, known as Thimerosal, eventhough the Public Health Service (PHS) agencies, including the FDA, the CDC, the American Academy of Pediatrics (AAP) and vaccine manufacturers agreed in July 1999 that Thimerosal should be reduced or eliminated from all vaccines as soon as possible.
Most injected flu vaccine currently available contains 25 micrograms (mcg) of mercury in the form of Thimerosal (ethylmercury thiosalicylate). Children first receive one-half of the adult dose, or 12.5 micrograms of mercury, followed within a four week period by a second dose of 12.5 micrograms of mercury, for a total of 25 micrograms.
According to the EPA, the maximum acceptable daily risk level is 0.1 mcg/kg. The current vaccine will inject the average child with 12-17 times the maximum daily amount of mercury recommended by the EPA and the average adult with 3.5 times the maximum amount. However, most concerning is the fact that the vaccines will expose the unborn fetus of a pregnant women to 250 times the maximum recommended dose of mercury.
The EPA guidelines are only recommendations for consumption of methyl-mercury typically consumed in fish. There are no guidelines for the more dangerous practice of “injecting” the more toxic ethyl-mercury directly into the human bloodstream.
Mercury is a known neurotoxin that crosses the blood-brain barrier and is especially dangerous to infants and a developing fetus. Mercury has been causally linked to the dramatically increasing incidence of autism and other neurological diseases. Cases of autism in the U.S. have increased by 1,500 per cent since 1991, which is when vaccines for children doubled, and the number of immunizations is only increasing. Just one in 2,500 children were diagnosed with autism before 1991, whereas one in 150 children now have the disease.
Even Trace Amounts of Mercury in the so called “Thimerosal-Free” Vaccines are Toxic
Some Vaccine Manufacturers claim that they provide “Thimerosal-Free” vaccine in single dose syringes. However, the truth is that even the “Thimerosal-Free” doses contain toxic amounts of Mercury. Thimerosal is used in the early stages of vaccine manufacture and is subsequently removed by purification steps to what is called “a trace amount.” The “trace amount” equals 1 microgram of Mercury or less per 0.5 mL dose.
1 microgram (mcg) of Mercury per 0.5mL vaccine dose is equivalent to 2000 mcg per liter, which equals 2000 parts per billion (2000 ppb).
2 ppb mercury is the U.S. EPA limit for drinking water (http://www.epa.gov/safewater/contaminants /index.html#mcls).
20 ppb mercury destroys neurite membranes (nerve tissue in the brain) (Leong et al., Neuroreport 2001; 12:733-7). An amount thought to be sufficient to cause Autism.
200 ppb mercury is the level in liquid that the EPA classifies as hazardous waste (http://www.epa.gov/ epaoswer/hazwaste/mercury/ regs.htm#hazwaste).
25,000 ppb mercury is equivalent to 25 mcg, which is the concentration of mercury in each dose dispensed from the multi-dose vials of both the seasonal influenza vaccine as well as the pandemic H1N1 flu vaccine in the U.S.
References:
[h=4]EPA: Safewater Contaminants Index[/h] [h=4]Blood Levels of Mercury Are Related to Diagnosis of Autism[/h] [h=4]CDC Vaccine Safety Updates: Thimerosal FAQs[/h] [h=4]CDC: H1N1 flu Vaccination and Thimerosal[/h] [h=4]Mercury in Vaccines Linked to Autism: Medical Research[/h] [h=4]Vacciness/Mercury/Autism: CDC’s Conflict of Interest[/h]
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[video=youtube;X6J_7PvWoMw]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X6J_7PvWoMw[/video]
 
[video=youtube;PQsVTlMsQrI]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PQsVTlMsQrI[/video]
 
http://www.drhansen.com/2009/10/15/...’s-maximum-exposure-limit-by-as-much-as-250x/

[h=1]Mercury in Vaccines Exceed EPA’s Maximum[/h] Posted on October 15, 2009 by Clark Hansen N.M.D.
Most of the 120 million doses of the 2009-2010 Seasonal Flu Vaccine, as well as most of the 250 million doses of the 2009 pandemic H1N1 Swine flu vaccine contain toxic levels of Mercury.
Mercury is used as a preservative in vaccines, known as Thimerosal, eventhough the Public Health Service (PHS) agencies, including the FDA, the CDC, the American Academy of Pediatrics (AAP) and vaccine manufacturers agreed in July 1999 that Thimerosal should be reduced or eliminated from all vaccines as soon as possible.
Most injected flu vaccine currently available contains 25 micrograms (mcg) of mercury in the form of Thimerosal (ethylmercury thiosalicylate). Children first receive one-half of the adult dose, or 12.5 micrograms of mercury, followed within a four week period by a second dose of 12.5 micrograms of mercury, for a total of 25 micrograms.
According to the EPA, the maximum acceptable daily risk level is 0.1 mcg/kg. The current vaccine will inject the average child with 12-17 times the maximum daily amount of mercury recommended by the EPA and the average adult with 3.5 times the maximum amount. However, most concerning is the fact that the vaccines will expose the unborn fetus of a pregnant women to 250 times the maximum recommended dose of mercury.
The EPA guidelines are only recommendations for consumption of methyl-mercury typically consumed in fish. There are no guidelines for the more dangerous practice of “injecting” the more toxic ethyl-mercury directly into the human bloodstream.
Mercury is a known neurotoxin that crosses the blood-brain barrier and is especially dangerous to infants and a developing fetus. Mercury has been causally linked to the dramatically increasing incidence of autism and other neurological diseases. Cases of autism in the U.S. have increased by 1,500 per cent since 1991, which is when vaccines for children doubled, and the number of immunizations is only increasing. Just one in 2,500 children were diagnosed with autism before 1991, whereas one in 150 children now have the disease.
Even Trace Amounts of Mercury in the so called “Thimerosal-Free” Vaccines are Toxic
Some Vaccine Manufacturers claim that they provide “Thimerosal-Free” vaccine in single dose syringes. However, the truth is that even the “Thimerosal-Free” doses contain toxic amounts of Mercury. Thimerosal is used in the early stages of vaccine manufacture and is subsequently removed by purification steps to what is called “a trace amount.” The “trace amount” equals 1 microgram of Mercury or less per 0.5 mL dose.
1 microgram (mcg) of Mercury per 0.5mL vaccine dose is equivalent to 2000 mcg per liter, which equals 2000 parts per billion (2000 ppb).
2 ppb mercury is the U.S. EPA limit for drinking water (http://www.epa.gov/safewater/contaminants /index.html#mcls).
20 ppb mercury destroys neurite membranes (nerve tissue in the brain) (Leong et al., Neuroreport 2001; 12:733-7). An amount thought to be sufficient to cause Autism.
200 ppb mercury is the level in liquid that the EPA classifies as hazardous waste (http://www.epa.gov/ epaoswer/hazwaste/mercury/ regs.htm#hazwaste).
25,000 ppb mercury is equivalent to 25 mcg, which is the concentration of mercury in each dose dispensed from the multi-dose vials of both the seasonal influenza vaccine as well as the pandemic H1N1 flu vaccine in the U.S.
References:
[h=4]EPA: Safewater Contaminants Index[/h] [h=4]Blood Levels of Mercury Are Related to Diagnosis of Autism[/h] [h=4]CDC Vaccine Safety Updates: Thimerosal FAQs[/h] [h=4]CDC: H1N1 flu Vaccination and Thimerosal[/h] [h=4]Mercury in Vaccines Linked to Autism: Medical Research[/h] [h=4]Vacciness/Mercury/Autism: CDC’s Conflict of Interest[/h]
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Good find and accurate. So, what we is know is that an infant is exposed to X times the recommended daily intake of mercury, repeatedly as they received numerous vaccinations the first few years. However, I cannot find anything that demonstrates that this increased, short term exposure causes any lasting side effects.

I found a study that demonstrated the shorter life-span of ethyl mercury from thimersosal, administered intramuscularly and oral methyl mercury that is often ingested. Most mercury exposure is through the airways or through ingestion. This study admits to not evaluating the toxicity of ethyl mercury. In fact, I cannot find a study yet that does.

http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/121/2/e208.full
 
Good find and accurate. So, what we is know is that an infant is exposed to X times the recommended daily intake of mercury, repeatedly as they received numerous vaccinations the first few years. However, I cannot find anything that demonstrates that this increased, short term exposure causes any lasting side effects.

I found a study that demonstrated the shorter life-span of ethyl mercury from thimersosal, administered intramuscularly and oral methyl mercury that is often ingested. Most mercury exposure is through the airways or through ingestion. This study admits to not evaluating the toxicity of ethyl mercury. In fact, I cannot find a study yet that does.

http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/121/2/e208.full

There is some related info on this site: http://www.autism.com/

Just use the search engine

Also if you watch the clip i posted above (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PQsVTlMsQrI) this contains a congressman in a congressional hearing quizzing the CDC and FDA about thimerosal

The CDC rep admits that there has only been one study carried out on the effects of thimerosal on human beings carried out in 1929 on 27 people who were all already infected with meningitis. because all 27 then died of meningitis it was deemed that thimerosal was safe!

This study was carried out by drug company Lilly in 1929....i repeat in 1929...with a mere 27 test subjects

The congressman understandibly calls the validity of the test into question

This clip is worth a watch...it has credible sources discussing some of the matters you've raised

Mercury is not the only toxic substance in vaccines see for example aluminium

US babies are exposed to 38 vaccine drugs by 1 and half years old
 
http://www.thedailysheeple.com/meas...parents-burned-at-the-propaganda-stake_042014
Measles Witch Hunt: Anti-Vax Parents Burned at the Propaganda Stake - See more at: http://www.thedailysheeple.com/meas...-propaganda-stake_042014#sthash.OHOuYn9t.dpuf

Stories about measles outbreaks in New York, California, and Texas have been in the news lately, complete with fear-inducing headlines and pro-vaccine propaganda.
Naturally, those who choose to opt out of vaccinations tend to be blamed for outbreaks.
Let’s start with some facts about measles:

  • Measles (Rubeola) is a highly infectious respiratory disease spread by coughing, sneezing, or simply being in close contact with an infected person.
  • The incubation period from initial exposure to onset of the signature rash is between 7 and 18 days, with an average of 14 days.
  • Initial symptoms are typically a rising fever (which peaks around 103-105 degrees), cough, runny nose, red irritated eyes, and a sore throat with tiny white spots in the mouth. Those symptoms usually last about 2-4 days, and then the rash, which usually begins at the head and moves down the body, develops.
  • Measles tends to be more severe in adults.
  • Possible complications include bronchitis, ear infections, pneumonia, encephalitis, and death.
How many people die from measles or related complications each year?
The CDC reports that out of every 1,000 children who become infected with measles, one or two die. The disease is still rampant worldwide, with an estimated 20 million cases each year. About 164,000 measles-related deaths occur each year, with more than half of those in India.
Let’s break that down more – how many people in the United States die from measles each year?
Some statistics from the CDC on recent outbreaks in the US:
During January 1–August 24, 2013, a total of 159 cases were reported to CDC from 16 states and New York City. Among the 159 cases, 7 (11%) persons required hospitalization, including four patients diagnosed with pneumonia. No deaths were reported.
In 2011, a provisional total of 222 measles cases were reported from 31 states. Among the 70 (32%) measles patients who were hospitalized, 17 (24%) had diarrhea, 15 (21%) were dehydrated, and 12 (17%) had pneumonia. No cases of encephalitis and no deaths were reported.
Statistics for 2012 and 2010 are not currently available on the CDC website. If there were any measles outbreaks or related deaths during those years, it is safe to assume the information would be posted on the website.
Vaccine proponents will claim that the measles immunization is to thank for the lack of deaths from the disease in the United States. But is that accurate?
Dawn Babcock Papple crunched the numbers and analyzed the results in an article for VaxTruth:
Prior to the vaccine, 3-4 million cases of measles occured in the United States each year. <—True.
Also true, however, is that of those 3-4 million cases, only about 450 people died each year from it in the years before the vaccine.
I have figured out the percentage of people who died from measles of all of the measles cases back then. 0.015%. Suddenly, measles seems a little less scary doesn’t it?
Also, consider that in 1963, the population was 189,241,798. That means that prior to the vaccine, the percentage of the entire US population that died from measles was .000237%.
There are over 6 billion people on the planet. That’s shown as 6,000,000,000 numerically. Correct me if you disagree, but when over 150,000 people die each day total, is 540 people dying of measles each day really that outrageous? They’re counting on us not comprehending the vast population of our global society. 240,000 children in low income countries alone die each year of neonatal infection. 1.26 million people die each year from diabetes and yet they’re still pushing the high fructose corn syrup in school lunches.With vaccines, the US went from a .000237 PERCENT death rate among the general population from measles in 1963 to a 0.000000% measles death rate.
In 1963, there were about 450 deaths from measles.Meanwhile, about 12,000 people died from stomach ulcers and the likes. Just over 43,000 people died from car accidents in 1963. Over 700,000 people died from heart disease.
In 1963, you were more likely to be one of the 9200 people murdered that year than to die of measles. If you were born in 1963, you were more likely to die from a congenital disease than from measles. In 1963, it was about 46 times more likely for a child to die from a congenital malformation than for someone to die from the measles.
Frankly, in 1963, you were about 46 times more likely to kill yourself than you were to die from measles.
The Oxford Journal of Infectious Disease also pointed out that measles-related deaths were on the decline before the vaccine was available:
By the late 1950s, even before the introduction of measles vaccine, measles-related deaths and case fatality rates in the United States had decreased markedly, presumably as a result of improvement in health care and nutrition. From 1956 to 1960, an average of 450 measles-related deaths were reported each year (∼1 death/ 1000 reported cases), compared with an average of 5300 measles-related deaths during 1912–1916 (26 deaths/ 1000 reported cases).
Now, for some facts about the measles vaccine, from the National Vaccine Information Center (NVIC):

  • One measles containing vaccine is currently being used in the U.S. – a combination measles-mumps-rubella (MMR) live virus vaccine. The CDC recommends children get between 12 and 15 months of age with a second dose given between 4 and 6 years old.
  • Common side effects from the MMR vaccine include low-grade fever, skin rash, itching, hives, swelling, reddening of skin, and weakness. Reported serious adverse reactions following MMR vaccination include seizures, brain inflammation and encephalopathy; thrombocytopenia; joint, muscle and nerve pain; gastrointestinal disorders; measles like rash; conjunctivitis and other serious health problems;
  • As of March 1, 2012, there have been 898 claims filed in the federal Vaccine Injury Compensation Program (VICP) for injuries and deaths following MMR vaccination, including 56 deaths and 842 serious injuries.
  • Using the MedAlerts search engine, as of July 9, 2012 there have been 6,058 serious adverse events reported to the Vaccine Adverse Events Reporting System (VAERS) in connection with measles vaccine since 1990, with over half of those occurring in children 3 and under.
I’m not a scientist, but I don’t think it takes an advanced degree to deduce that getting the measles vaccine just might be more dangerous than contracting the disease itself.
In fact, what was once a benign childhood disease might be a bigger problem BECAUSE the availability of the vaccine has become widespread, as Lawrence Solomon of Financial Post suggests:
In the pre-vaccine era, when the natural measles virus infected the entire population, measles — “typically a benign childhood disease,” as Clinical Pediatrics described it — was welcomed for providing lifetime immunity, thus avoiding dangerous adult infections. In today’s vaccine era, adults have accounted for one quarter to one half of measles cases; most of them involve pneumonia, one-quarter of them hospitalization.
Also importantly, measles during pregnancies have risen dangerously because expectant mothers no longer have lifetime immunity. Today’s vaccinated expectant mothers are at risk because the measles vaccine wanes with time and because it often fails to protect against measles.
Vaccinated mothers have little antibody to pass on — only about one-quarter as much as mothers protected by natural measles — leaving infants vulnerable three months after birth, according to a study last year in the Journal of Infectious Diseases.
The NVIC backs up Solomon’s points:
Evidence has been published in the medical literature that vaccinated persons can get measles because either they do not respond to the vaccine or the vaccine’s efficacy wanes over time and vaccinated mothers do not transfer long lasting maternal antibodies to their infants to protect them in the first few months of life.
If you ask people who had measles as a child what the disease was like, they will likely tell you that it wasn’t exactly an enjoyable experience, but they survived – and came out with lifelong, natural immunity. Kevin Brooker of the Calgary Herald wrote a piece about that very thing a few days ago, in which he recalled his experience with the disease:
Surely, I’m not the only oldtimer who finds it curious that cases of measles – even as few as one or two in a region – are now the stuff of news headlines. Has something changed about the disease that most of us got, then got over, then never thought about again? It would have been about 50 years ago, one year after the widespread introduction of the measles vaccine, that I walked into the kitchen, showed my mom my speckled belly, and said, “I think I have measles.”
Other than that, however, I don’t remember any details of my affliction, just that it came and went without much trauma.
And I certainly don’t remember my mother evincing any panic on that day of discovery. If measles has deadly properties, they were not part of the social dialogue back then. Mom did tell me one thing: “Well, once you get over it, you’ll never get it again.”
Despite all of these facts, the mainstream media continues to spin measles outbreaks into a “fringe parenting” issue, blaming the cases on “irresponsible, uneducated” people who opt out of vaccinations, but that’s hardly the truth:
According to a survey in Pediatrics, unvaccinated children in the U.S. have a mother who is at least 30 years old, who has at least one college degree and whose household has an annual income of at least $75,000. In the absence of studies showing vaccinated children to be healthier than those unvaccinated, the parents in these educated households have determined that the numbers argue against vaccination. (source)
A recent example of pro-vaccination media bias can be found in a recent Business Insider article, titled NYC Health Commissioner On Measles Outbreak: ‘We Must Continue To Remain Vigilant’.

The article begins with this:
“The New York City Department of Health has confirmed two new cases of measles, bringing the total number of confirmed cases to 26 — 12 children and 14 adults.”
Later in the same article, the TWO unvaccinated children were mentioned:
“If you’re current on your vaccinations, you’re in the clear. At least two of the infected children were purposely unvaccinated; most of the rest were too young to be fully vaccinated against measles.”
What about the 14 adults who were infected? The article does not state the vaccination status of those individuals, who represented more than half of those infected. And how many does “most” mean? The author states “most of the rest were too young to be fully vaccinated.” According to one report, only four of the children were too young to have received both shots. That leaves us with 6 children who presumably were fully vaccinated, yet still contracted the disease.
Then, this:
“Measles is considered ‘highly contagious,’ usually spread by coughing or sneezing — and people are contagious even before the telltale rash shows up. ‘If one person has it, 90% of that person’s close contacts will also become infected,’ the NYC Department of Health warns.”
90%? Does that include those who were “properly” vaccinated? The article doesn’t clarify.
Perhaps the author is unaware of the source of an outbreak that occurred in New York in 2011.
Suspected patients and contacts exposed during a measles outbreak in New York City in 2011 were investigated. The index patient had 2 doses of measles-containing vaccine; of 88 contacts, 4 secondary patients were confirmed who had either 2 doses of measles-containing vaccine or a past positive measles IgG antibody.
This is the first report of measles transmission from a twice-vaccinated individual with documented secondary vaccine failure. (source)
Sort of puts a dent in the claim “If you’re current on your vaccinations, you’re in the clear,” doesn’t it?
And what about cases of outbreaks in which almost everyone who contracted the disease was fully vaccinated?
A study published in PubMed in 1987 covered a measles outbreak that occurred in Corpus Christi, Texas, in 1985. The conclusion of that study:
We conclude that outbreaks of measles can occur in secondary schools, even when more than 99 percent of the students have been vaccinated and more than 95 percent are immune.
The current outbreak in California has led to news articles about the “importance of vaccination.” Most of those stories include at least a brief suggestion that “unvaccinated” people are the cause of the outbreaks.
The article Who is Patient Zero? on OCWeekly.com discusses the current California outbreak, which, as of April 4, consisted of 49 confirmed cases. The author mentions that Orange County – with 21 cases – was hit the hardest. Of course, the fact that a few unvaccinated children were stricken ill had to be pointed out:
Of the OC five kids who came down with measles, none of them were vaccinated.
Then the other cases were casually mentioned:
The other 16 cases were adults, five of which are healthcare workers.
Were those adults vaccinated? Why wasn’t that information provided?
The article then reveals something quite significant, but it is only given this brief line and is not mentioned again:
State-wide, nearly half of this year’s measles cases are from unvaccinated children.
Notice the wording there? Why didn’t the author say “State-wide, nearly half of this year’s measles cases come from VACCINATED children?”
Pay close attention to what is being said, what is being omitted, and what is being twisted to suit a particular agenda in the mainstream media. The current anti-vaccination witch-hunt is a perfect example of the misleading, biased reporting that is rampant.
- See more at: http://www.thedailysheeple.com/meas...-propaganda-stake_042014#sthash.OHOuYn9t.dpuf
Measles Witch Hunt: Anti-Vax Parents Burned at the Propaganda Stake - See more at: http://www.thedailysheeple.com/meas...-propaganda-stake_042014#sthash.OHOuYn9t.dpuf
 
Ever seen this video?

http://www.ted.com/talks/michael_specter_the_danger_of_science_denial



I'm pro vaccinations. Here in Germany it's not that big of an issue, most of the people still let their children get vaccinations and that is perfectly right, I think. I have all the vaccinations and I am very happy about it. Don't know how it is in the US, but Jenny McCarthy is clearly a fanatic. Babies get their first vaccinations in a very early age, and you are definitely not able to distinguish a perfectly healthy newborn baby from an autistic one, I really cannot imagine that.

Some time ago, I read Nemesis by Philip Roth. It's about Polio in the US, and after reading it I was so glad that we have vaccines against Polio today. It's a horrible disease, and the problem with a lot of these diseases is that if you don't let your children get vaccinated and they become sick, they will infect other people and all the dreadful maladies that we have banned will come back.

I don't say that all vaccinations are perfect - maybe there really are bad side effects, and maybe it's a big money issue (as everything is today). But it's a fact that most of them are working very well, and when I will have children one day, I want them to be protected.
 
Ever seen this video?

http://www.ted.com/talks/michael_specter_the_danger_of_science_denial



I'm pro vaccinations. Here in Germany it's not that big of an issue, most of the people still let their children get vaccinations and that is perfectly right, I think. I have all the vaccinations and I am very happy about it. Don't know how it is in the US, but Jenny McCarthy is clearly a fanatic. Babies get their first vaccinations in a very early age, and you are definitely not able to distinguish a perfectly healthy newborn baby from an autistic one, I really cannot imagine that.

Some time ago, I read Nemesis by Philip Roth. It's about Polio in the US, and after reading it I was so glad that we have vaccines against Polio today. It's a horrible disease, and the problem with a lot of these diseases is that if you don't let your children get vaccinated and they become sick, they will infect other people and all the dreadful maladies that we have banned will come back.

I don't say that all vaccinations are perfect - maybe there really are bad side effects, and maybe it's a big money issue (as everything is today). But it's a fact that most of them are working very well, and when I will have children one day, I want them to be protected.

If you look through the clips posted above you will find some that demonstrate how other factors rather than vaccines have made the biggest impacts on public health

Vaccines are really being used as a method of social control

I wouldn't use the word 'fanatic' to describe jenny mcartney...she's a mum who gave her child the vaccines...her child then developed autism and then she broke from what the medical fraternity were telling her to do and she treated her child another way and cured her child

So i think she has good grounds to have the strong views that she does....they are based on her own experiences and the experiences of many others
 
Vaccines are safe and effective. There is no debate, only paranoia and ignorance.

Governments can't force people to be vaccinated, but they can probably ostracize them, because unvaccinated people are a legitimate health risk.

If the government can force me to get health insurance it can force me to get vaccinated, or at least fine me into oblivion.


On another note, when I was in elementry and middle school vaccinations were mandatory has this stopped being a thing?
 
If the government can force me to get health insurance it can force me to get vaccinated, or at least fine me into oblivion.


On another note, when I was in elementry and middle school vaccinations were mandatory has this stopped being a thing?

I forgot about this- I remember in primary, i had to get certain boosters.

Also, there's been mandatory vaccinations for things like small poxs in the past - yet, it's only recently that the rates of Autism have increased. I'm not saying vaccines aren't linked to it - but you would think that there would be the same trends throughout history.
 
I forgot about this- I remember in primary, i had to get certain boosters.

Also, there's been mandatory vaccinations for things like small poxs in the past - yet, it's only recently that the rates of Autism have increased. I'm not saying vaccines aren't linked to it - but you would think that there would be the same trends throughout history.

I'm not a big fan of state interference in the personal lives of it's citizen's, which may or may not have come off in my last post. But things like polio or small pox as well as other diseases are issues that affect thousands if not millions of people which make vaccinations a national issue. One of the few things I think the government should involve themselves in or else you'll have people like me who are afraid of needles worming out of vaccinations and getting other citizens sick or dead.
 
http://www.naturalnews.com/045317_Gardasil_vaccine_recall_glass_shards.html

[h=1]Merck issues mass recall of Gardasil vaccines over glass shard contaminants[/h]

Nearly three-quarters of a million doses of Merck & Co.'s Gardasil vaccine for HPV and cervical cancer have been recalled following the discovery that they may be contaminated. The U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), which actively promotes the vaccine for 11- and 12-year-old boys and girls, says that the affected vaccines may contain glass shards due to a manufacturing error that resulted in the breakage of vials.

A total of 743,360 Gardasil vials from Lot J007354 are included in the recall, which Merck says were distributed between August 20, 2013 and October 9, 2013. Among these vials, as many as ten vials of the vaccine may contain the shards, although most have probably already been administered to children. Merck says that the glass particles are so small that they can actually be transferred through the vaccine needle directly into the muscle tissue.

"If a vaccine containing glass particles (tiny enough to get through a needle) is given to a patient, mild reactions routinely seen after vaccination may occur (for instance, redness or swelling at the injection site)," explains the CDC.

Vaccinated individuals who think that they may have been harmed by the tainted vaccine are encouraged to report injuries to the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System, also known as VAERS, which can be accessed here. Clinicians who suspect adverse events from the administration of potentially tainted Gardasil vaccines are also encouraged to report them to VAERS.

"Since the vaccines were shipped out starting in August, it is likely that some patients have already received injections potentially contaminated with broken glass shards," reads an article by Pintas & Mullins Law Firm, which covered the recall in a recent blog posting.

Standard Gardasil ingredients a much bigger threat than glass shards

The thought of young children being injected with tiny glass shards is disturbing, however, the standard ingredients used in the manufacture of Gardasil are surely worse, as the vaccine has been linked to thousands of injuries and hundreds of deaths since it was first approved by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) in 2006.

In addition to the proteins contained in HPV types 6, 11, 16 and 18, Gardasil vaccines are loaded with chemical adjuvants, such as amorphous aluminum hydroxyphosphate sulfate and sodium borate, an ingredient used in cockroach killer. Each Gardasil shot contains the equivalent of 225 micrograms (mcg) of aluminum, which has been linked to neurological damage, loss of limb function and other serious health problems.

"Along with the introduction of the HPV vaccines, several cases of onset or exacerbations of autoimmune diseases following the vaccine shot have been reported in the literature and pharmacovigilance databases, triggering concerns about its safety," reads a study on Gardasil recently published in the journal Autoimmunity Reviews.

A related study published in the Journal of Experimental Therapeutics and Oncology affirmed this statement, having found that autoimmune cross-reactions from the vaccine -- that is, the triggering of an immune response so strong that it actually damages natural immunity -- are "almost unavoidable." This information runs contrary to the reassurances provided by the CDC that Gardasil and its counterpart, Cervarix (GlaxoSmithKline), are completely safe.

"The rate of serious adverse events is greater than the incidence rate of cervical cancer," admitted Dr. Diane Harper, one of the developers of the Gardasil vaccine, during a 2009 interview with ABC News.

Sources for this article include:
http://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2013/s1220...
http://www.examiner.com
http://www.drugrecallattorneysblog.com
http://www.merck.com
http://www.sciencedirect.com.ezproxy.med.nyu...
http://sanevax.org
http://www.pop.org
http://abcnews.go.com/m/story?id=8356717
https://vaers.hhs.gov/index

 
If the government can force me to get health insurance it can force me to get vaccinated, or at least fine me into oblivion.


On another note, when I was in elementry and middle school vaccinations were mandatory has this stopped being a thing?

No, certain vaccines can be required, but I think its school districts and universities can instate their own requirements. I don't know how the government does it. At my school, I remember having to get the mumps, measles, and tetanus shots, and I think I had to do rubella. I know there were others, I just don't remember what. Last year when I started college, I also had to get the meningococcal vaccine. Although because I was there, I also got like 4 others with it, lol. I know that was required to get into U of I.
 
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Stories about measles outbreaks in New York, California, and Texas have been in the news lately, complete with fear-inducing headlines and pro-vaccine propaganda.
Naturally, those who choose to opt out of vaccinations tend to be blamed for outbreaks.
Let’s start with some facts about measles:

  • Measles (Rubeola) is a highly infectious respiratory disease spread by coughing, sneezing, or simply being in close contact with an infected person.
  • The incubation period from initial exposure to onset of the signature rash is between 7 and 18 days, with an average of 14 days.
  • Initial symptoms are typically a rising fever (which peaks around 103-105 degrees), cough, runny nose, red irritated eyes, and a sore throat with tiny white spots in the mouth. Those symptoms usually last about 2-4 days, and then the rash, which usually begins at the head and moves down the body, develops.
  • Measles tends to be more severe in adults.
  • Possible complications include bronchitis, ear infections, pneumonia, encephalitis, and death.
How many people die from measles or related complications each year?
The CDC reports that out of every 1,000 children who become infected with measles, one or two die. The disease is still rampant worldwide, with an estimated 20 million cases each year. About 164,000 measles-related deaths occur each year, with more than half of those in India.
Let’s break that down more – how many people in the United States die from measles each year?
Some statistics from the CDC on recent outbreaks in the US:
During January 1–August 24, 2013, a total of 159 cases were reported to CDC from 16 states and New York City. Among the 159 cases, 7 (11%) persons required hospitalization, including four patients diagnosed with pneumonia. No deaths were reported.
In 2011, a provisional total of 222 measles cases were reported from 31 states. Among the 70 (32%) measles patients who were hospitalized, 17 (24%) had diarrhea, 15 (21%) were dehydrated, and 12 (17%) had pneumonia. No cases of encephalitis and no deaths were reported.
Statistics for 2012 and 2010 are not currently available on the CDC website. If there were any measles outbreaks or related deaths during those years, it is safe to assume the information would be posted on the website.
Vaccine proponents will claim that the measles immunization is to thank for the lack of deaths from the disease in the United States. But is that accurate?
Dawn Babcock Papple crunched the numbers and analyzed the results in an article for VaxTruth:
Prior to the vaccine, 3-4 million cases of measles occured in the United States each year. <—True.
Also true, however, is that of those 3-4 million cases, only about 450 people died each year from it in the years before the vaccine.
I have figured out the percentage of people who died from measles of all of the measles cases back then. 0.015%. Suddenly, measles seems a little less scary doesn’t it?
Also, consider that in 1963, the population was 189,241,798. That means that prior to the vaccine, the percentage of the entire US population that died from measles was .000237%.
There are over 6 billion people on the planet. That’s shown as 6,000,000,000 numerically. Correct me if you disagree, but when over 150,000 people die each day total, is 540 people dying of measles each day really that outrageous? They’re counting on us not comprehending the vast population of our global society. 240,000 children in low income countries alone die each year of neonatal infection. 1.26 million people die each year from diabetes and yet they’re still pushing the high fructose corn syrup in school lunches.With vaccines, the US went from a .000237 PERCENT death rate among the general population from measles in 1963 to a 0.000000% measles death rate.
In 1963, there were about 450 deaths from measles.Meanwhile, about 12,000 people died from stomach ulcers and the likes. Just over 43,000 people died from car accidents in 1963. Over 700,000 people died from heart disease.
In 1963, you were more likely to be one of the 9200 people murdered that year than to die of measles. If you were born in 1963, you were more likely to die from a congenital disease than from measles. In 1963, it was about 46 times more likely for a child to die from a congenital malformation than for someone to die from the measles.
Frankly, in 1963, you were about 46 times more likely to kill yourself than you were to die from measles.
The Oxford Journal of Infectious Disease also pointed out that measles-related deaths were on the decline before the vaccine was available:
By the late 1950s, even before the introduction of measles vaccine, measles-related deaths and case fatality rates in the United States had decreased markedly, presumably as a result of improvement in health care and nutrition. From 1956 to 1960, an average of 450 measles-related deaths were reported each year (∼1 death/ 1000 reported cases), compared with an average of 5300 measles-related deaths during 1912–1916 (26 deaths/ 1000 reported cases).
Now, for some facts about the measles vaccine, from the National Vaccine Information Center (NVIC):

  • One measles containing vaccine is currently being used in the U.S. – a combination measles-mumps-rubella (MMR) live virus vaccine. The CDC recommends children get between 12 and 15 months of age with a second dose given between 4 and 6 years old.
  • Common side effects from the MMR vaccine include low-grade fever, skin rash, itching, hives, swelling, reddening of skin, and weakness. Reported serious adverse reactions following MMR vaccination include seizures, brain inflammation and encephalopathy; thrombocytopenia; joint, muscle and nerve pain; gastrointestinal disorders; measles like rash; conjunctivitis and other serious health problems;
  • As of March 1, 2012, there have been 898 claims filed in the federal Vaccine Injury Compensation Program (VICP) for injuries and deaths following MMR vaccination, including 56 deaths and 842 serious injuries.
  • Using the MedAlerts search engine, as of July 9, 2012 there have been 6,058 serious adverse events reported to the Vaccine Adverse Events Reporting System (VAERS) in connection with measles vaccine since 1990, with over half of those occurring in children 3 and under.
I’m not a scientist, but I don’t think it takes an advanced degree to deduce that getting the measles vaccine just might be more dangerous than contracting the disease itself.
In fact, what was once a benign childhood disease might be a bigger problem BECAUSE the availability of the vaccine has become widespread, as Lawrence Solomon of Financial Post suggests:
In the pre-vaccine era, when the natural measles virus infected the entire population, measles — “typically a benign childhood disease,” as Clinical Pediatrics described it — was welcomed for providing lifetime immunity, thus avoiding dangerous adult infections. In today’s vaccine era, adults have accounted for one quarter to one half of measles cases; most of them involve pneumonia, one-quarter of them hospitalization.
Also importantly, measles during pregnancies have risen dangerously because expectant mothers no longer have lifetime immunity. Today’s vaccinated expectant mothers are at risk because the measles vaccine wanes with time and because it often fails to protect against measles.
Vaccinated mothers have little antibody to pass on — only about one-quarter as much as mothers protected by natural measles — leaving infants vulnerable three months after birth, according to a study last year in the Journal of Infectious Diseases.
The NVIC backs up Solomon’s points:
Evidence has been published in the medical literature that vaccinated persons can get measles because either they do not respond to the vaccine or the vaccine’s efficacy wanes over time and vaccinated mothers do not transfer long lasting maternal antibodies to their infants to protect them in the first few months of life.
If you ask people who had measles as a child what the disease was like, they will likely tell you that it wasn’t exactly an enjoyable experience, but they survived – and came out with lifelong, natural immunity. Kevin Brooker of the Calgary Herald wrote a piece about that very thing a few days ago, in which he recalled his experience with the disease:
Surely, I’m not the only oldtimer who finds it curious that cases of measles – even as few as one or two in a region – are now the stuff of news headlines. Has something changed about the disease that most of us got, then got over, then never thought about again? It would have been about 50 years ago, one year after the widespread introduction of the measles vaccine, that I walked into the kitchen, showed my mom my speckled belly, and said, “I think I have measles.”
Other than that, however, I don’t remember any details of my affliction, just that it came and went without much trauma.
And I certainly don’t remember my mother evincing any panic on that day of discovery. If measles has deadly properties, they were not part of the social dialogue back then. Mom did tell me one thing: “Well, once you get over it, you’ll never get it again.”
Despite all of these facts, the mainstream media continues to spin measles outbreaks into a “fringe parenting” issue, blaming the cases on “irresponsible, uneducated” people who opt out of vaccinations, but that’s hardly the truth:
According to a survey in Pediatrics, unvaccinated children in the U.S. have a mother who is at least 30 years old, who has at least one college degree and whose household has an annual income of at least $75,000. In the absence of studies showing vaccinated children to be healthier than those unvaccinated, the parents in these educated households have determined that the numbers argue against vaccination. (source)
A recent example of pro-vaccination media bias can be found in a recent Business Insider article, titled NYC Health Commissioner On Measles Outbreak: ‘We Must Continue To Remain Vigilant’.

The article begins with this:
“The New York City Department of Health has confirmed two new cases of measles, bringing the total number of confirmed cases to 26 — 12 children and 14 adults.”
Later in the same article, the TWO unvaccinated children were mentioned:
“If you’re current on your vaccinations, you’re in the clear. At least two of the infected children were purposely unvaccinated; most of the rest were too young to be fully vaccinated against measles.”
What about the 14 adults who were infected? The article does not state the vaccination status of those individuals, who represented more than half of those infected. And how many does “most” mean? The author states “most of the rest were too young to be fully vaccinated.” According to one report, only four of the children were too young to have received both shots. That leaves us with 6 children who presumably were fully vaccinated, yet still contracted the disease.
Then, this:
“Measles is considered ‘highly contagious,’ usually spread by coughing or sneezing — and people are contagious even before the telltale rash shows up. ‘If one person has it, 90% of that person’s close contacts will also become infected,’ the NYC Department of Health warns.”
90%? Does that include those who were “properly” vaccinated? The article doesn’t clarify.
Perhaps the author is unaware of the source of an outbreak that occurred in New York in 2011.
Suspected patients and contacts exposed during a measles outbreak in New York City in 2011 were investigated. The index patient had 2 doses of measles-containing vaccine; of 88 contacts, 4 secondary patients were confirmed who had either 2 doses of measles-containing vaccine or a past positive measles IgG antibody.
This is the first report of measles transmission from a twice-vaccinated individual with documented secondary vaccine failure. (source)
Sort of puts a dent in the claim “If you’re current on your vaccinations, you’re in the clear,” doesn’t it?
And what about cases of outbreaks in which almost everyone who contracted the disease was fully vaccinated?
A study published in PubMed in 1987 covered a measles outbreak that occurred in Corpus Christi, Texas, in 1985. The conclusion of that study:
We conclude that outbreaks of measles can occur in secondary schools, even when more than 99 percent of the students have been vaccinated and more than 95 percent are immune.
The current outbreak in California has led to news articles about the “importance of vaccination.” Most of those stories include at least a brief suggestion that “unvaccinated” people are the cause of the outbreaks.
The article Who is Patient Zero? on OCWeekly.com discusses the current California outbreak, which, as of April 4, consisted of 49 confirmed cases. The author mentions that Orange County – with 21 cases – was hit the hardest. Of course, the fact that a few unvaccinated children were stricken ill had to be pointed out:
Of the OC five kids who came down with measles, none of them were vaccinated.
Then the other cases were casually mentioned:
The other 16 cases were adults, five of which are healthcare workers.
Were those adults vaccinated? Why wasn’t that information provided?
The article then reveals something quite significant, but it is only given this brief line and is not mentioned again:
State-wide, nearly half of this year’s measles cases are from unvaccinated children.
Notice the wording there? Why didn’t the author say “State-wide, nearly half of this year’s measles cases come from VACCINATED children?”
Pay close attention to what is being said, what is being omitted, and what is being twisted to suit a particular agenda in the mainstream media. The current anti-vaccination witch-hunt is a perfect example of the misleading, biased reporting that is rampant.
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The worry about diseases like measles as you described is not the death rate. Its the infection rate. its very easily transmitted, and this leaves it a major threat. When a disease is wide spread and progressing through hundreds of millions of people, it has a much higher chance of mutation. This means it could mutate much more harmful effects, even a higher death rate. This is true of any highly infectious disease. However, when infection rates and disease progression is low, the chances of such a mutation is substantially lower. The vaccine is important to get to protect humanity. Vaccines are sufficient protection for a large majority of people, however their are always cases of vaccine failure. Rare, but happen, and it depends on each vaccine. The most apparent example of this is the flu vaccine. However to be fair, there are many versions of the flue, so the vaccine might not treat the flu you get.
Vaccines are definitely the best bet of anyone to keep from getting sick. Always talk to a medical professional about possible side effects before getting vaccines though. They can tell you what is best to get. Don't just walk into some health office and say shoot me up with everything you've got, lol. That might be inadvisable.
 
am disappointed to find that this thread does not contain two syringes arguing about which one is better.
 
http://www.drhansen.com/2009/10/15/...’s-maximum-exposure-limit-by-as-much-as-250x/

[h=1]Mercury in Vaccines Exceed EPA’s Maximum[/h] Posted on October 15, 2009 by Clark Hansen N.M.D.
Most of the 120 million doses of the 2009-2010 Seasonal Flu Vaccine, as well as most of the 250 million doses of the 2009 pandemic H1N1 Swine flu vaccine contain toxic levels of Mercury.
Mercury is used as a preservative in vaccines, known as Thimerosal, eventhough the Public Health Service (PHS) agencies, including the FDA, the CDC, the American Academy of Pediatrics (AAP) and vaccine manufacturers agreed in July 1999 that Thimerosal should be reduced or eliminated from all vaccines as soon as possible.
Most injected flu vaccine currently available contains 25 micrograms (mcg) of mercury in the form of Thimerosal (ethylmercury thiosalicylate). Children first receive one-half of the adult dose, or 12.5 micrograms of mercury, followed within a four week period by a second dose of 12.5 micrograms of mercury, for a total of 25 micrograms.
According to the EPA, the maximum acceptable daily risk level is 0.1 mcg/kg. The current vaccine will inject the average child with 12-17 times the maximum daily amount of mercury recommended by the EPA and the average adult with 3.5 times the maximum amount. However, most concerning is the fact that the vaccines will expose the unborn fetus of a pregnant women to 250 times the maximum recommended dose of mercury.
The EPA guidelines are only recommendations for consumption of methyl-mercury typically consumed in fish. There are no guidelines for the more dangerous practice of “injecting” the more toxic ethyl-mercury directly into the human bloodstream.
Mercury is a known neurotoxin that crosses the blood-brain barrier and is especially dangerous to infants and a developing fetus. Mercury has been causally linked to the dramatically increasing incidence of autism and other neurological diseases. Cases of autism in the U.S. have increased by 1,500 per cent since 1991, which is when vaccines for children doubled, and the number of immunizations is only increasing. Just one in 2,500 children were diagnosed with autism before 1991, whereas one in 150 children now have the disease.
Even Trace Amounts of Mercury in the so called “Thimerosal-Free” Vaccines are Toxic
Some Vaccine Manufacturers claim that they provide “Thimerosal-Free” vaccine in single dose syringes. However, the truth is that even the “Thimerosal-Free” doses contain toxic amounts of Mercury. Thimerosal is used in the early stages of vaccine manufacture and is subsequently removed by purification steps to what is called “a trace amount.” The “trace amount” equals 1 microgram of Mercury or less per 0.5 mL dose.
1 microgram (mcg) of Mercury per 0.5mL vaccine dose is equivalent to 2000 mcg per liter, which equals 2000 parts per billion (2000 ppb).
2 ppb mercury is the U.S. EPA limit for drinking water (http://www.epa.gov/safewater/contaminants /index.html#mcls).
20 ppb mercury destroys neurite membranes (nerve tissue in the brain) (Leong et al., Neuroreport 2001; 12:733-7). An amount thought to be sufficient to cause Autism.
200 ppb mercury is the level in liquid that the EPA classifies as hazardous waste (http://www.epa.gov/ epaoswer/hazwaste/mercury/ regs.htm#hazwaste).
25,000 ppb mercury is equivalent to 25 mcg, which is the concentration of mercury in each dose dispensed from the multi-dose vials of both the seasonal influenza vaccine as well as the pandemic H1N1 flu vaccine in the U.S.
References:
[h=4]EPA: Safewater Contaminants Index[/h] [h=4]Blood Levels of Mercury Are Related to Diagnosis of Autism[/h] [h=4]CDC Vaccine Safety Updates: Thimerosal FAQs[/h] [h=4]CDC: H1N1 flu Vaccination and Thimerosal[/h] [h=4]Mercury in Vaccines Linked to Autism: Medical Research[/h] [h=4]Vacciness/Mercury/Autism: CDC’s Conflict of Interest[/h]
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But the amount of mercury you are actually getting isn't a major threat. You would have such a problem with drinking water because you drink like 8 (I think cups or pints, I can't remember) per day (or should). That amount of mercury will build up. But a shot is what, 10 milliliters? Therefore the amount of mercury, while substantial in that specific amount of liquid, is still insignificant in what your body is able to tolerate overall. You probably wouldn't want to eat a ton of raw fish when you got one of these shots, and of course some people are more susceptible to others, but in reality the threat is minimal :)
 
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