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Yes exactly, so why are you even here
And your whole point becomes moot in declaring this
What Are You Listening To Right Now (Part 15)
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Yes exactly, so why are you even here
And your whole point becomes moot in declaring this
TomasM
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Just because I know there is more doesn't make me any different than I am. I still like talking to people like me because it is comforting. Isn't that why you stay committed?Yes exactly, so why are you even here
And your whole point becomes moot in declaring this
TomasM
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I'm just expressing what I've seen and know to be true from my experience. I've not only seen it but I've experience the expression of it from someone very close to me. This does not make me an arbiter, it gives me humility and hope for something better.
If someone can be gendered somewhere in between, is it really that hard to believe that there is potential in other areas. I'm not trying to create a debate here, I'm merely expressing what I know and believe to be true.
If someone can be gendered somewhere in between, is it really that hard to believe that there is potential in other areas. I'm not trying to create a debate here, I'm merely expressing what I know and believe to be true.
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As I said, it's merely the framework and I'm not arguing against being "in the middle" which I 100% am myself a lot of the time. I'm not even arguing against any of your points but when you create any framework that has dividing lines it's literally impossible to not be on one side or the other. Plus existing necessitates some level of fluidity.
But Jebus I was just making a simple factual point
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TomasM
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When I say ambivert, I'm literally synergizing both introversion and extroversion. There is no division, it's greatness in the potential simultaneously. This is something that a P would understand better than both of us - my daughter is an xNFP. She's amazing and if you met her then you would agree.
When I originally stated what I did, it was for the benefit of someone else. I never had a need to be right only to express what I saw and believed. I was talking to her.
When I originally stated what I did, it was for the benefit of someone else. I never had a need to be right only to express what I saw and believed. I was talking to her.
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Haskel
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Hey! I have no issue with keeping an open mind to the possibility of changing my type declaration, so thank you for this!
It's funny but I had a couple of people also pointing it out to me that I seem both extroverted and introverted. It's why I would be hurt and confused when people in the past would fight me so hard against me thinking that I might be an INFJ due to this; they argued that I seem too extroverted to be an I type, but some of my behaviors would indicate that I fit the introvert profile more often times than not. I love people a lot and do care for the ones in my life, but I also seem to need a whole lot of space at the same time. Been like this since I was little, so it has nothing to do with mental illness, trauma, or anything of the sort, that would've pushed me into a set of behaviors that I wasn't born into, you know? Your daughter sounds like a peach! Maybe she's ENFP? I thought I read somewhere that ENFPs tend to skirt along the E/I divide strongly and tend to appear ambiverted than the other extroverted MBTI types..
@Wyote and @TomasM I hope I'm not stepping out of line when I say this, but seeing you two talk to each other like this sometimes hurts. I don't know what has happened between you two before I registered here, but I want you both to know that I enjoy talking to you two a lot and hope that one day you can get along with each other better. I'm not a fan of conflict, so I just wanted you two to know that.
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It is painful for me as well and I'm sure he doesn't enjoy it either
But you try having a conversation with him where you assert anything as correct
Literally just saying ambivert doesn't exist, which is true factually btw
And I gotta spend the next hour on his personal mental odyssey of righteousness rofl
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Haskel
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It is painful for me as well and I'm sure he doesn't enjoy it either
But you try having a conversation with him where you assert anything as correct
Literally just saying ambivert doesn't exist, which is true factually btw
And I gotta spend the next hour on his personal mental odyssey of righteousness rofl
It's hard because ambivert is like.. I feel like that's someone who is incredibly comfortable with utilizing their introverted and extroverted functions, which is awesome and may mean a mentally stable individual. I'm learning about how functions can manifest in a person during times of strife and it's incredible how the description matches me to a T during turbulent phases of my life, ie looping where someone is using two introverted or extroverted functions back to back, which is not a good place to stay in permanently.
But, yes, if I have to be honest, it is true that someone is either introverted first and foremost, or an extrovert. I think maybe I come across as socially introverted due to external, and maybe even internal, reasons that is forcing me to behave in a subdued manner. But I think on a cognitive level, I think I am an extroverted type.
Thank you for responding kindly by the way. I had a moment when I hit send where I wonder if it's going to be taken the wrong way, but I'm practicing on my assertive communication skills where I share my views but also remember to respect other people at the same time and your response made me sigh in relief lmao. But yeah, I hope you two hug it out soon!
Or else..
TomasM
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It was never my intent to get someone to change their type. I was merely attempting to relay that I’ve seen a large degree of introspection. For the most part, I do believe that MBTI has a solid framework but I also believe there are exceptions. For example, I have been both INFJ and INTJ in my life and the functional changes aren’t really that broad.
The only reason I brought up being ambivert is because there was a recent discussion on your type and that you were going through a process of sorting it. If I hadn’t specifically seen a real life exception then I wouldn’t have brought it up.
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When I try to communicate with someone and another person jumps in, corrects me, and then insults me before the other person has even had an opportunity to respond - I consider that to be rude and unacceptable. So today, the communication I was attempting to relay is now filled with noise and I feel it has been lost. This has been a consistent problem.
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I did not insult you but if you feel insulted that is regrettable and I apologize
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What are the odds all the planets will line up and there be a blood red moon all in a moment? I'm introvert, but some people I know well can have me feel like and act like an extrovert at times.
I have this instantaneous way of being, but Have changed a lot over the years. Once someone else and I get near the same wavelength, it can be smooth sailing. to be continued in a few moments
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I love certain dogs, mainly German Shepherds. Most all dogs have perception beyond our own, but the awareness and wish to share this with us makes me understand the spirit world better. How the GSD and I communicate is beyond words. I love the way they will get my attention when someone is approaching from my blind side. Not only are they aware, but they make it a point that I know also. We are a team for a moment here and there, and that closeness beyond words takes away all my introverted feelings and actions. We understand each other. He/she knows how much I appreciate them, so I don't have to find a way to try and share that without all the worries and shyness. I have not become extrovert, but there is certainly a degree of clearness and acceptance that makes me feel great inside. It is expressed in my actions.
I want to talk with so many people in a friendly manner. I do not want to appear as Aquaman, or see my actions or inactions feel uncomfortable. Seeing two young ladies today the GSD made me aware of, I said, "Hello, Ladies." Those two simple words seemed like such a hurdle. We might feel extroverted with a GSD for a moment, then freeze up trying to talk with someone. At least I felt they were comfortable. They smiled.
My point is, our true self comes out when there is no warning and a moment just happens. I am introverted.
I want to talk with so many people in a friendly manner. I do not want to appear as Aquaman, or see my actions or inactions feel uncomfortable. Seeing two young ladies today the GSD made me aware of, I said, "Hello, Ladies." Those two simple words seemed like such a hurdle. We might feel extroverted with a GSD for a moment, then freeze up trying to talk with someone. At least I felt they were comfortable. They smiled.
My point is, our true self comes out when there is no warning and a moment just happens. I am introverted.