What if the Rothschilds are the good guys?

[gd65h8as7]

The idea of central bankers and financiers "running the world" used to be true but that model is now outdated.

Most people don't know this, but after World War II, the US imported nearly all of the top Nazi scientists and has been conducting all sorts of ultra top secret missions outer space. In the early 2000's, there was a man named Gary Mckinnon, who managed to hack into NASA and the US Air Force and a few other military branches and found evidence of the US withholding reverse engineered alien technology, all sorts of exotic forms of energy, and having spacecraft outer space doing God knows what. This guy lived in the UK but the US wanted to put him in jail for 60 years; he had to fight for eleven years to get the charges dropped. He eventually won. The UK refused to extradite him in October 2012.

"We already have the means to travel among the stars, but these technologies are locked up in black projects and it would take an Act of God to ever get them out to benefit humanity...Anything you can imagine, we already know how to do."
-Ben Rich, former Director at Lockheed Martin, known as the "father" of stealth technology

 

[gd65h8as7]

The thread starter does pose an interesting question though: what if these guys are the good guys?

David Rockefeller had written this in his memoir:

"Some even believe that I am part of a secret cabal working against the best interests of the United States, characterizing my family and me as 'internationalists' and of conspiring with others around the world to build a more integrated global political and economic structure — one world, if you will. If that is the charge, I stand guilty, and I am proud of it!"

I'm beginning to realize that in the eyes of those at the top, what they're doing is for the benefit of humanity, and the havoc they appear to be wreaking upon the planet is just a means to an end to a more unified, collaborative, synergistic world order.

 

[sprinkles]

What if Zeon are the good guys?

 

[Lark]

The idea of central bankers and financiers "running the world" used to be true but that model is now outdated.

Most people don't know this, but after World War II, the US imported nearly all of the top Nazi scientists and has been conducting all sorts of ultra top secret missions outer space. In the early 2000's, there was a man named Gary Mckinnon, who managed to hack into NASA and the US Air Force and a few other military branches and found evidence of the US withholding reverse engineered alien technology, all sorts of exotic forms of energy, and having spacecraft outer space doing God knows what. This guy lived in the UK but the US wanted to put him in jail for 60 years; he had to fight for eleven years to get the charges dropped. He eventually won. The UK refused to extradite him in October 2012.

"We already have the means to travel among the stars, but these technologies are locked up in black projects and it would take an Act of God to ever get them out to benefit humanity...Anything you can imagine, we already know how to do."
-Ben Rich, former Director at Lockheed Martin, known as the "father" of stealth technology

I do absolutely believe that there is technological repression but I dont believe its the government responsible, its probably more a consequence of business practices such as designed obsolescence, seasonal business cycles and things of that kind, industries have learned leassons from Atari's bust and things like their dumping of ET games cartridges in the desert.

I also think that people underestimate the extent to which government projects, including black ops, are not as feasible as they once were, budgets have been seriously and severely curtailed by privatisation, at least officially (that's important and I'll come back to that), which means that funds go to things like the well reported chicanery of things such as the Green Zone in Afghanistan or that sort of thing rather than super secret spacecraft.

If you also consider the publicised failings in military contracting, I'm not even talking about things like those satirised in movies like Best Defence (or was it First Defence), but realities such as the British commissioning US fighting vehicles initially when entering Afghanistan and Iraq but then very quickly, within less than eight years, they were commissioning their own vehicles because the US ones were not fit for purpose and it was obvious that the US felt it could bear fatalities and casualities among their soldiers easier than it could sort out its contracting and commissioning of vehicles to protect them.

I'd believe first that some goof balls had privately created weapons satellites and space programmes than I could governments, I even suspect that some of the on going geo-political conflicts are about ensuring that there are ALWAYS compelling reasons for the dedication of resources in particular ways to prevent them being spent on innovations like space programmes. The movie The Dictator satirised perfectly how individual dictators could exploit their countries for their personal aggrandisement but I'm sure that keeping your opposition on a permanent war footing and keeping them maintaining a war priority also prevents them investing in business, education, personal and professional development of their populations. In northern ireland the status quo almost imploded when the irish republicans realised that unionism and westminister would be more threatened by a successful peace process, the passage of time and the abscence of a paramilitary threat or opponent.

Like this isnt complicated or esoteric, the Cold War was essentially a battle between different business models to demonstrate who could build their arsenals the fastest without their economy collapsing, the US "won" but only marginally, and that model is applied in all kinds of ways to keep the international geo-political hierarchy of nations as it is. Technological repression or a break upon development and innovation is a consequence but its not the specific aim of the policy.

 

[Lark]

The thread starter does pose an interesting question though: what if these guys are the good guys?

David Rockefeller had written this in his memoir:

"Some even believe that I am part of a secret cabal working against the best interests of the United States, characterizing my family and me as 'internationalists' and of conspiring with others around the world to build a more integrated global political and economic structure — one world, if you will. If that is the charge, I stand guilty, and I am proud of it!"

I'm beginning to realize that in the eyes of those at the top, what they're doing is for the benefit of humanity, and the havoc they appear to be wreaking upon the planet is just a means to an end to a more unified, collaborative, synergistic world order.

See to be honest I'd question, when I read that sort of thing, what the "US interests" or "best interest" is? I mean is the government, the intelligence community and military industrial complex, the fortune five hundred? You know who is the US? Nationalist agendas like that never really define things too well and they depend on that vagary.

I do believe that the globalists are well meaning, no mistake about that, I believe the people trying to sabotage them are too, this is were proper discussions could and should take place about what internationalism and nationalism are or what the pluses and minuses of each model are rather than conspiracy theories about secret cabals and occult, esoteric shady rich guys, you know?

Even Geldof of Live Aid fame got tired with charitable bail outs of people immiserated, often by their own governments and corrupt officials, to the point of saying that international business and the neocons were definitely the lesser of two evils, most of Live Aid's Feed The World money was ate up paying off guys at the ports to circumvent bureaucratic billegerence than on actual food!

Bono and other arch pop-charity do gooders (and tax dodgers incidentially) have come out and said similar things.

I'm interested in those sorts of developments because its the conversation that hasnt be had, that a lot of people arent interested in having, instead they'd prefer to split hairs about whether you're convinced of this or that marginal, obscure anarchist, socialist etc. etc. and get involved in the narcissism of small differences. Or at least that was how the various protest movements were the last time I looked. And I'll admit that more recently I've been shocked at how fine they appear to be with shedding potential support by the shed load because the average probably fiscally left wing individual is not interested in their cultural agendas and their naive ideas about the latest underdogs, homosexuals at the minute but it could be any other supposedly historically oppressed group and it'll change when that gets boring and the paradigm shifts.

 

[muir]

Anyone trying to tell you that money isn't being spent on black ops either doesn't know what they are talking about or is deliberately trying to misslead you

Donal Rumsfeld announced a 2 trillion dollar black hole in the military budget the day before 911. This story then got buried under the magnitude the 911 event

Make no mistake vast amounts are being spent on black ops

 

[muir]

The monarchies, aristocracy and church have worked together in europe for hundreds of years to maintain a social structure with themselves at the top

Thats not a 'conspiracy' theory its history

As 'christians' they weren't supposed to charge interest on loans (usury) so they used jewish merchants and money changers to hand out loans. Each european city had a jewish quarter where they housed the jewish merchants and money changers; these were called 'ghettos'. this is what shakespeare's play 'the merchant of venice' was about: a jewish money lender called Shylock

The jewish bankers got very rich and created centralised banking systems called 'central banking' where the money supply and interests rates were controlled centrally by the bankers (not the government treasury departments)

These bankers grew very close to the monarchies and arisotocracy and church by lending them money (especially war loans) and these groups own much of the land in europe as well as many of the corporations that exploit the resources of the land for example oil companies and mining companies

These groups form a network with a shared goal of maintaining their power and keeping the working population down. To achieve this they have supported fascism and they stop the spread of democracy, fight against trade unions and use the corporate media to misslead the public

This has been going on now for centuries. Anyone who knows their history knows this. Anyone who calls this a 'conspiracy theory' is either ignorant or is trying to misslead you

This network are afraid that the public will want a greater share of the power and wealth and in a changing world they have decided that the only way for them to maintain control over the public is to centralise their power even further into a global government

This government would not be like national governments where the public at least get to vote for political parties. Under the world government run by the bankers and their royal and aristocratic associates there would be NO democracy

The public would have no say in anything, they would simply be told what to do

So its decision time for the public. Thy need to decide if we want to roll the clock back and allow these people to bring in neo-fuedalism where we become serfs working for our masters or if we carry on the advances we have made over the centuries and push for even MORE democratic say and a more even and fair distribution of the wealth and power

One road leads to a more equal and healthy society, the other road leads to serfdom and oppression under a global surveillance panopticon

Its that simple....it's not complicated...it's not rocket science.....the proof is all out there for those that look beyond the corporate media...its no great mystery, no crazy conspiracy theory....its all just an old story that is reaching a new stage in the 'modern' era because of the advances of technology

We can use the technology to build a better world for everyone or we can allow the fascist network to use the technology to control and oppress us

 

[Rcs6r]

What if Zeon are the good guys?

Black Ops I'd sure as hell support.

In all seriousness though, what if it's more a battle of nations/governments vs privatization/globalization? In theory, globalization and the eradication of nation-states would end war and unite the planet, which could one day pave the way for space exploration as a united earth; these are recurring themes in science fiction. But then you have politicians who want to keep their power over their individual nation and won't play ball, because how can you exploit a nation if there isn't one?

 

[muir]

Black Ops I'd sure as hell support.

In all seriousness though, what if it's more a battle of nations/governments vs privatization/globalization? In theory, globalization and the eradication of nation-states would end war and unite the planet, which could one day pave the way for space exploration as a united earth; these are recurring themes in science fiction. But then you have politicians who want to keep their power over their individual nation and won't play ball, because how can you exploit a nation if there isn't one?

The wars are created by the same people who are trying to create the one world government

What they don't want is nationalist governments because governments can be held accountable to the people

A world government would not be accountable to the people

If you want to think sci-fi then think star wars where the evil empire controlled centrally by the emperor is controlling everyone by fear and force and military rule

Anyone who resists or objects is destroyed...THATS what the new world order want...it's not a good thing. Its the death of democracy and the death of freedom

 

[sprinkles]

The wars are created by the same people who are trying to create the one world government

What they don't want is nationalist governments because governments can be held accountable to the people

A world government would not be accountable to the people

If you want to think sci-fi then think star wars where the evil empire controlled centrally by the emperor is controlling everyone by fear and force and military rule

Anyone who resists or objects is destroyed...THATS what the new world order want...it's not a good thing. Its the death of democracy and the death of freedom

Haha well in Gundam terms... at least in the original, the Federation is almost like the Empire and the Zeon are the rebels in a way.

The Feddies are a slightly nicer Empire and the Zeon are a lot meaner rebels. That drop space colonies on people.

Neither side are really the good guys in my opinion. They're both responsible for killing the hell out of each other by incredibly violent means. Even Amuro goes on revenge rampages quite a few times and at least once went out on his own to wipe out a small Zeon base that had no chance against his Gundam just because he was pissed. And they just keep doing awful things to each other in a long string of revenge pissing matches.

 

[muir]

Haha well in Gundam terms... at least in the original, the Federation is almost like the Empire and the Zeon are the rebels in a way.

The Feddies are a slightly nicer Empire and the Zeon are a lot meaner rebels. That drop space colonies on people.

Neither side are really the good guys in my opinion. They're both responsible for killing the hell out of each other by incredibly violent means. Even Amuro goes on revenge rampages quite a few times and at least once went out on his own to wipe out a small Zeon base that had no chance against his Gundam just because he was pissed. And they just keep doing awful things to each other in a long string of revenge pissing matches.

I'm not familiar with that

This thread is progress in the sense that at least now people are talking about the rothschilds but it is not yet in alignment with reality...it's only a step on the road to alignment

So to know about the rothschilds is better than to not know...that is progress. But to question if they are the good guys or the bad guys is to not yet fully understand the rothschilds

To fully understand the rothschilds and all the things they have done is to know that they most certainly are NOT the good guys

These are people who have been behind: wars, drug running, weapons dealing, banking frauds, suppression of green energies and much much more

These guys do not care about humanity...they are not working in the best interests of humanity...they are working in the best interests of themselves...that's why they now have all the money and everyone else has austerity and high unemployemnt rates

lets keep a hold on reality here

Their world government is not going to be a nice cosy club of all the countries building the star ship enterprise. It is going to be a totalitarian nightmare where everyone is microchipped and spied on the entire time....a place where you have no rights, no free speech, no choice and no hope of any improvement...the nazis on steroids

They want to control us utterly...there is no end to their control freakery. They want to control EVERYTHING about our lives. They see us as cattle. They are farmers of humans. they want to tag us, corral us and feed off us.

Some people need a wake up call here. The rothschilds were behind the Boer war which saw the creation of the concetration camp. They have been implicated in the second world war which saw the concentration camp concept taken to new extremes. Now their agents in the US are building FEMA concentration camps in the US. people need to wake up

They have NO good intentions...they trade the serial number on your birth certificate on the stock exchange...they see you as their property...as chattel

In their secret societies they call you the 'profane' or 'goyem' (cattle)

[video=youtube;Xbp6umQT58A]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xbp6umQT58A[/video]

 

[Lark]

Black Ops I'd sure as hell support.

In all seriousness though, what if it's more a battle of nations/governments vs privatization/globalization? In theory, globalization and the eradication of nation-states would end war and unite the planet, which could one day pave the way for space exploration as a united earth; these are recurring themes in science fiction. But then you have politicians who want to keep their power over their individual nation and won't play ball, because how can you exploit a nation if there isn't one?

You'd have the same dog with a different collar, only instead of it being politicians, who are at least marginally (extremely marginally) democratically accountable and have term limits, it would be executives who arent accountable to anyone at all, not even, as its been shown by the most recent almost implosion of capitalism, shareholders.

 

[Lark]

Haha well in Gundam terms... at least in the original, the Federation is almost like the Empire and the Zeon are the rebels in a way.

The Feddies are a slightly nicer Empire and the Zeon are a lot meaner rebels. That drop space colonies on people.

Neither side are really the good guys in my opinion. They're both responsible for killing the hell out of each other by incredibly violent means. Even Amuro goes on revenge rampages quite a few times and at least once went out on his own to wipe out a small Zeon base that had no chance against his Gundam just because he was pissed. And they just keep doing awful things to each other in a long string of revenge pissing matches.

I actually like that about some anime, nearly all anime, no character is without any redeeming qualities and no hero is without some flaw or wickedness, I've read speculation that its to do with Japanese history and shame or awareness of their being the vanquished and bad guys.

The character I remember the most is one of the military guys in Akira, he is a bad guy but in contrast to the huge mega villain thing he's absolutely the good guy.

 

[ThomasJ79]

You'd have the same dog with a different collar, only instead of it being politicians, who are at least marginally (extremely marginally) democratically accountable and have term limits, it would be executives who arent accountable to anyone at all, not even, as its been shown by the most recent almost implosion of capitalism, shareholders.

That's exactly it. It always seem to come down to either being able to choose your own master or having your master choose you. This is the history of politics since recorded history began.

 

[the]

I think this is a very good thread. Im interested in how freemasons view themselves considering what they accused of "really" being.

 

[muir]

You'd have the same dog with a different collar, only instead of it being politicians, who are at least marginally (extremely marginally) democratically accountable and have term limits, it would be executives who arent accountable to anyone at all, not even, as its been shown by the most recent almost implosion of capitalism, shareholders.

Wow...could it be that Lark and me are actually finding common ground?

Yes the rothschilds have taken over the political system

At least under the current political system they keep up a pretence of democracy but they want to do away with that so that they don't even have to pretend that the system is democratic anymore...they just want straight up naked totalitarian dictatorship

If anyone wants to learn about the proper history of the US and how its entire history has been a battle over who controls the money supply (elected government v's central bankers) then Bill Stills documentary 'the Money Masters' is very good

It was made in 1996 and yet correctly predicted the financial crash of 2008 and Still is quite possible an INFJ

Throw away your school history books or burn them as fuel and watch the money masters instead!

[video=youtube;HfpO-WBz_mw]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HfpO-WBz_mw[/video]

 

[muir]

That's exactly it. It always seem to come down to either being able to choose your own master or having your master choose you. This is the history of politics since recorded history began.

The difference now is that more and more people are aware of these things and communicating

So now we are aware of the dynamic you mention above we can now make conscious choices about what we want to do about it

We don't need to put up with this shit anymore

 

[muir]

I think this is a very good thread. Im interested in how freemasons view themselves considering what they accused of "really" being.

Most freemasons don't have a clue

They are fed lies until they get into the higher degrees and many of them actually believe those lies

If you want the truth about freemasonry a freemason is the last person you should ask

 

[Lark]

That's exactly it. It always seem to come down to either being able to choose your own master or having your master choose you. This is the history of politics since recorded history began.

You dont think the history of the world has been the history of class struggles then?

 

[sprinkles]

I actually like that about some anime, nearly all anime, no character is without any redeeming qualities and no hero is without some flaw or wickedness, I've read speculation that its to do with Japanese history and shame or awareness of their being the vanquished and bad guys.

The character I remember the most is one of the military guys in Akira, he is a bad guy but in contrast to the huge mega villain thing he's absolutely the good guy.

Yup that's what I like about Gundam over Star Wars and such. There's many ruthless and badass characters but most of them are humanized. You end up having sympathy for both sides.

The Star Wars Empire is all about the dark side and the Emperor is practically inhuman and seems to just sacrifice and throw people away, but the Zeon and Federation both are quite often shown to care very deeply for their own people. Even the backstabbers and schemers are almost always given a human side. There's a lot of faceless and nameless deaths but they always manage to humanize it somehow by encapsulating key moments that show all the anguish on both sides.

Anyway, getting a bit off topic.