Madgirl143
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You can legitimately refer to "The artist Britney Spears" as a singular musician, but actually people rarely talk about Spears in that way... really in terms of what we talk about when we discuss "Britney Spears Music" there is a lot more people involved. The music of Britney Spears simply does not exist without Max Martin.
This makes me think of The Avalanches. They're musicians but their music is a sort of musical collage art. What would you call someone who manipulates shreds of music to make new music? They're not a technician... They're a musician, surely. So there are all these other musicians in the studio with the artist, manipulating the music. They would have maybe historically been called an arranger... but now they're integral to the process of the music performance... because the performance has been sort of partly reconceived as a recorded artefact...
I'm also reminded of when Deadmaus wrote "if i wanna watch real artists perform, id pick the opera before wasting a fucking minute of my life with arcade fire."
Rather than a live ensemble performance. Music has changed a lot since pre-studio-recording days of the chamber ensemble... it has even changed since the days of Nirvana. Of course there are still musical acts of this type, but the boundaries have also become less clear. Would Nirvana's work have been the same without Butch Vig... Pretty uncertain...
I think of the band "Architecture in Helsinki". I saw this band live some years ago, in about 2003 or 2005, can't remember. But there were about 15 band members on stage. Obviously they weren't all part of the band... but yet they were all part of the band... but they weren't all always part of the band... there was some "core" band perhaps, surrounded by a rotating "peripheral" band?
When I hear Miley Cyrus I think, OK Miley is fabulous and everything, but that guitar is NOT her work, it's just too good, I don't know who is responsible for the incredible guitar work, but I know Miley's just not quite that good. But the guitar is indispensable to the music, as indispensable to the music as Dave Grohl's brilliant work on Nirvana. So as much as I admire her, I can't say it's just all about Miley...
I guess when I think about a "band" I think about a coherent ensemble that has membership stability over time, like Radiohead for example. But the more clear you get with your definition, the more exclusive it becomes, the fewer "bands" you can really consider to be "bands"... So many bands seem to have to many fights and the membership changes so much that it seems like there is only a single "core" member, like Hayley Williams and Paramore for example, but it's not "Hayley Williams", it's still "Paramore" the band...
So there is clearly a lot of grey space in there... I just think it's interesting to think about.
I can tell that you find it interesting to think about this in such detail. At the end of the day all I am interested in, is what society says is a band. That's what I meant to get from people when I asked for a "band". But you have kinda opened my eyes to your way of thinking. I mean I do consider everyone in the process but when I listen to music I take in what's in front of me. It's like when I see a successful person, I don't think about their mother or mentors just the person in front of me. If let's say I was looking at the biography then sure I'd venture there. So if I was doing a report or was interested in the depth of the process I would consider everyone including the writers and those who work at the studio. I just didn't mean to complicate a simple question.