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Exactly, lol.ESFP is like the type that won't hesitate to shake their ass in your face and the next minute push you away.
Exactly, lol.ESFP is like the type that won't hesitate to shake their ass in your face and the next minute push you away.
ESFP is like the type that won't hesitate to shake their ass in your face and the next minute push you away.
I agree.If we count breath and depth as two different dimensions of feeling, then I would agree that INFP would be the 'most feely'. As for the 'least feely', I'd probably go with a feeling type that is both sensing (more down to earth) and extroverted (more likely to bounce back quickly from emotional stimuli): ESFJ / ESFP.
I agree.
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@Ren @Deleted member 16771 that’s good from a neutral standpoint but what @ClevelandINTP seems to be seeking is actually the least chaotic feeling judger from a Dom T perspective. I think that leads to a different outcome.
Well if you judge intelligence by logical gymnastics ability a Ti Dom is bound to have a head start. INTPs can struggle with emotional intelligence though. INxJs use Ni to access a deep well of wisdom but it’s a perception so isn’t recognized as valid by critical thinkers who need everything pinned down logically.
The INTPs I’ve known can be very warm hearted like a friendly but slightly awkward puppy.
I think all types can be intelligent in their own way. Watching ISTPs creating with their hands from next to nothing looks miraculous to me.
Ni will come up with a possible future. Ok, fair enough. Except that possible future is usually incomplete (how can it not be), and relies on wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyy too many assumptions that are 50-50 at best. I take a lot pleasure in proving Ni at worst false, in the middle unreliable, and at best unreproducible
So then take some bullshit proposition from Ni and then have it willed it into existence via some ordering function either Te or Fe, and you end up with a large, if not vast majority our world's systems and social structures being half-baked, compounded and looped over time using the same process
It has virtually nothing to do with being down pinned down logically nor is it a requirement that everything fits a box when the majority of the box is bullshit. The issue is not that things need to be 100% accurate or logical; the issue is when people believe and follow them as if they are, and even worse promote and push the same to others, and further compounded when continued to drive forward obstinately
ESFP is like the type that won't hesitate to shake their ass in your face and the next minute push you away.
There is a measure of truth to this. Ni uncoupled with effective Fe or Te decision making is mostly bullshit. I think Carl Jung himself once said "Ni is the most useless function"
On the whole I agree with what you are saying - any function used without balance is subject to an analogous criticism. Just to play with some ideas ....Ti doesn't necessarily need to be head start. It's just most people accept things under the (a) does it work and (b) do I like it criteria
INTPs get a real bad rap on the EQ front--almost to a point where it's exaggerated or a sort of MBTI folklore. I understand and recognize your statement hits these notes, and this is not a personal attack--it's more to hear it from the horse's mouth
Most of the feedback I have gotten on the Emotional Intelligence front is not that I am not emotionally intelligent. It's actually a subtle opposite. INTPs usually are very emotional intelligent in regards to awareness of what is going on and what is right and wrong in social settings. The perception of being emotionally unintelligent is often due to execution of our mannerisms and inability to express emotion in near real time compounded by expectations of society of what those should be. Then further compounded with our stubbornness to conform or accept them as truth at face-value. It's possible we come to resent it to which would further complicate things
Fair warning: controversial statements ahead
Ni, from my experience, is mostly bullshit, especially from Ni Dom/Aux, and it has a higher probability to be compounded when using ordering functions of Te or Fe
Ni will come up with a possible future. Ok, fair enough. Except that possible future is usually incomplete (how can it not be), and relies on wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyy too many assumptions that are 50-50 at best. I take a lot pleasure in proving Ni at worst false, in the middle unreliable, and at best unreproducible
So then take some bullshit proposition from Ni and then have it willed it into existence via some ordering function either Te or Fe, and you end up with a large, if not the vast majority of our world's systems and social structures being half-baked, compounded and looped over time using the same process
It has virtually nothing to do with being pinned down logically nor is it a requirement that everything fits a box when the majority of the box is bullshit. The issue is not that things need to be 100% accurate or logical; the issue is when people believe and follow them as if they are, and even worse promote and push the same to others. And then it’s further compounded when continued to drive forward obstinately
That is the core disconnect
As a critical thinker, I accept and greatly appreciate Ni insights or any insights. Ni is good at that; however, again it is highly susceptible to converging on incomplete or un-backtested assumptions. This does not mean that society should not move forward with imperfect information; what it means is most of what is thought to be truth is subjective. It really pushes an INTPs button, and is what actually drives us to push things that make a difference in the world that are unconventional and authentic
And we do it not for the sake of "order" or "power" or "control" and the abuse that is a high probability outcome of each
I see ENxJs that do this more often.
Recently had a falling out with an ENFJ friend, long time friend too, for these very same kind of notion. What started as an argument on the importance of phenotypical differences verses genotypical differences among different species[we were watching a Richard Dawkins video], turned into a full blown shouting match over social Darwinism. I left him because it revealed unabashed racism- I basically, unintentionally, exposed him as a Nazi-like racist in front of everybody. And I didn't like that. So it was goodbye after that.