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Concerning 1816, yes I did have the volcano name wrong.
Concerning 1816, yes I did have the volcano name wrong.
YELLOWSTONE ANIMALS FLEEING PARK. SUPERVOLCANO ERUPTION IMMINENT?
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It never claimed to. For that matter, I'm not aware that any abstract concept, process, or epistemological system has ever adequately described the nature of reality. If you take issue with it, propose a more suitable alternative. Otherwise, it's irrelevant to the discussion.
Yes, if it can create earthquakes then your claim that it can create earthquakes is correct. I'm glad you understand how to validate a statement.
But the noteworthy operator in that statement is "if".
"If".
And the bare facts, unembellished by wishful thinking, as presented to you before, make that a very small "if".
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How do you plan to prove that HAARP can cause earthquakes?
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Being right for the wrong reasons isn't really being right, because if it weren't for these misunderstood mechanics you might not have a position to be 'right' about.
It's like positing that humans can start fires by communicating with fire sprites which then fly through a material very fast and heat it up, but then it's shown to you that humans actually start fires with just matches, and you still say "I was right because humans start fires" - you'd be really not right if there were not a second hypothesis to fall back on.
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The Thames froze over in London and Byron wrote his piece ''The Darkness''...more than a few echos of the film 'The Road'...you might like it...i did
I had a dream, which was not all a dream.
The bright sun was extinguished, and the stars
Did wander darkling in the eternal space,
Rayless, and pathless, and the icy earth
Swung blind and blackening in the moonless air;
Morn came and went -and came, and brought no day,
And men forgot their passions in the dread
Of this their desolation; and all hearts
Were chilled into a selfish prayer for light;
And they did live by watchfires -and the thrones,
The palaces of crowned kings -the huts,
The habitations of all things which dwell,
Were burnt for beacons; cities were consumed,
And men were gathered round their blazing homes
To look once more into each other's face;
Happy were those which dwelt within the eye
Of the volcanoes, and their mountain-torch;
A fearful hope was all the world contained;
Forests were set on fire -but hour by hour
They fell and faded -and the crackling trunks
Extinguished with a crash -and all was black.
The brows of men by the despairing light
Wore an unearthly aspect, as by fits
The flashes fell upon them: some lay down
And hid their eyes and wept; and some did rest
Their chins upon their clenched hands, and smiled;
And others hurried to and fro, and fed
Their funeral piles with fuel, and looked up
With mad disquietude on the dull sky,
The pall of a past world; and then again
With curses cast them down upon the dust,
And gnashed their teeth and howled; the wild birds shrieked,
And, terrified, did flutter on the ground,
And flap their useless wings; the wildest brutes
Came tame and tremulous; and vipers crawled
And twined themselves among the multitude,
Hissing, but stingless -they were slain for food;
And War, which for a moment was no more,
Did glut himself again; -a meal was bought
With blood, and each sate sullenly apart
Gorging himself in gloom: no love was left;
All earth was but one thought -and that was death,
Immediate and inglorious; and the pang
Of famine fed upon all entrails -men
Died, and their bones were tombless as their flesh;
The meagre by the meagre were devoured,
Even dogs assailed their masters, all save one,
And he was faithful to a corse, and kept
The birds and beasts and famished men at bay,
Till hunger clung them, or the drooping dead
Lured their lank jaws; himself sought out no food,
But with a piteous and perpetual moan,
And a quick desolate cry, licking the hand
Which answered not with a caress -he died.
The crowd was famished by degrees; but two
Of an enormous city did survive,
And they were enemies: they met beside
The dying embers of an altar-place
Where had been heaped a mass of holy things
For an unholy usage: they raked up,
And shivering scraped with their cold skeleton hands
The feeble ashes, and their feeble breath
Blew for a little life, and made a flame
Which was a mockery; then they lifted up
Their eyes as it grew lighter, and beheld
Each other's aspects -saw, and shrieked, and died -
Even of their mutual hideousness they died,
Unknowing who he was upon whose brow
Famine had written Fiend. The world was void,
The populous and the powerful was a lump,
Seasonless, herbless, treeless, manless, lifeless -
A lump of death -a chaos of hard clay.
The rivers, lakes, and ocean all stood still,
And nothing stirred within their silent depths;
Ships sailorless lay rotting on the sea,
And their masts fell down piecemeal; as they dropped
They slept on the abyss without a surge -
The waves were dead; the tides were in their grave,
The Moon, their mistress, had expired before;
The winds were withered in the stagnant air,
And the clouds perished! Darkness had no need
Of aid from them -She was the Universe!
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Green is green. Green is blue.
Because I say both but am only right about one, am I still right?
Because I say both but am only right about one, am I still right?
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If you say that HAARP can cause earthquakes and it can then you are right
I hope that helps...
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Only in this thread.
So is this it? Is this the part where muir reveals he's just been trolling me all along, and I go into the garage, sit down, and contemplate how I've spent my life?
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DoD News Briefing: Secretary of Defense William S. Cohen
Cohen’s keynote address at the Conference on Terrorism, Weapons of Mass Destruction, and U.S. Strategy at the Georgia Center, Mahler Auditorium, University of Georgia, Athens, Ga. The event is part of the Sam Nunn Policy Forum being hosted by the University of Georgia. Secretary Cohen is joined by Sen. Sam Nunn and Sen. Richard G. Lugar.] Secretary Cohen: Senator Nunn, thank you very much. As Senator Nunn has indicated, he and I have worked for many years together, along with Senator Lugar. The two of these gentlemen I feel are perhaps the most courageous and visionary to have served in the Senate. They were largely responsible, of course, for adopting the so-called Nunn/Lugar legislation.
I’ll comment on that later during the course of the morning, but I’ve had occasion to meet with a number of Russian counterparts, and as we go through various translations of the communications that we’re having, the two words they are able to articulate very clearly, they say ‘Nunn/Lugar, Nunn/Lugar. So they know exactly what that means, and that means the Cooperative Thre’at Reduction Act that these two gentlemen were indispensable in shepherding through the United States Congress.
It was Nunn/Lugar I that dealt with the reduction of nuclear weapons between the United States and the Soviet Union in terms of trying to come to grips with how we helped the Russians dismantle hundreds of their nuclear weapons, and also helped them with their destruction of chemical weapons. But they, of course, have looked beyond simply that particular relationship, which is very important, but also looking to the future that we face as far as the rise of terrorism — both international and domestic; and finding ways in which the Department of Defense can become involved in helping local states and local agencies to deal with the threat of terrorism which is quite likely to increase in the coming years.
It’s a pleasure for me to be here. Both Senator Nunn and Senator Lugar are close friends and I look forward to, I think, a very productive seminar. Once again demonstrating that although Senator Nunn has left public service in the Senate, he has not left public service as far as the nation is concerned.
It’s a pleasure for me to be here, Sam.
Senator Nunn: Thank you very much, Bill.
. ..Let me ask if there are any questions for Secretary of Defense Cohen.
Q: The dual containment policy in Iran and Iraq, do you think that’s conducive to regional stability in that region? And do you think can cause further terrorism in the United States? That type of containment policy in the Middle East.
A: I think Secretary Albright articulated our policy as far as dealing with Iraq, that it’s clear that we have been unable to strike any kind of a productive relationship with Saddam Hussein, and as soon as Saddam Hussein is no longer the head of that government, that there’s new regime that follows him, that we will look forward to finding ways in which we could engage them in a much more productive fashion, particularly after they comply with all of the UN sanctions. There’s an eagerness on our part to do that. But I think as long as he remains in office as the head of that state, it’s unlikely that we could have anything but the current policy in place, with very little prospects for relief.
With respect to Iran, I think Iran continues to present a long term threat to the region. They are acquiring and have acquired weapons of mass destruction, substantial levels of chemicals and we believe biological weapons as well. They have made an effort to acquire nuclear capability. So I think that our policy of dual containment is the right one, and we are going to encourage our allies to support that one.
Q: What does it mean that Clinton (inaudible) proliferation?
A: To the extent that we see the level of communication available today, the Internet and other types of interwoven communicative skills and abilities, we’re going to see information continue to spread as to how these weapons can be, in fact, manufactured in a home-grown laboratory, as such. So it’s a serious problem as far as living in the information age that people who are acquiring this kind of information will not act responsibly, but rather act in a terrorist type of fashion.
We’ve seen by way of example of the World Trade Center the international aspects of international terrorism coming to our home territory. We’ve also seen domestic terrorism with the Oklahoma bombing. So it’s a real threat that’s here today. It’s likely to intensify in the years to come as more and more groups have access to this kind of information and the ability to produce them.
Q: How prepared is the U.S. Government to deal with (inaudible)?
A: I think we have to really intensify our efforts. That’s the reason for the Nunn/Lugar II program. That’s the reason why it’s a local responsibility, as such, but the Department of Defense is going to be taking the lead as far as supervising the interagency working groups, and to make the assessments as to what needs to be done. So we’re going to identify those 120 cities and work with them very closely to make sure that they can prepare themselves for what is likely to be a threat well into the future.
Q: Let me ask you specifically about last week’s scare here in Washington, and what we might have learned from how prepared we are to deal with that (inaudible), at B’nai Brith.
A: Well, it points out the nature of the threat. It turned out to be a false threat under the circumstances. But as we’ve learned in the intelligence community, we had something called — and we have James Woolsey here to perhaps even address this question about phantom moles. The mere fear that there is a mole within an agency can set off a chain reaction and a hunt for that particular mole which can paralyze the agency for weeks and months and years even, in a search. The same thing is true about just the false scare of a threat of using some kind of a chemical weapon or a biological one. There are some reports, for example, that some countries have been trying to construct something like an Ebola Virus, and that would be a very dangerous phenomenon, to say the least. Alvin Toeffler has written about this in terms of some scientists in their laboratories trying to devise certain types of pathogens that would be ethnic specific so that they could just eliminate certain ethnic groups and races; and others are designing some sort of engineering, some sort of insects that can destroy specific crops. Others are engaging even in an eco- type of terrorism whereby they can alter the climate, set off earthquakes, volcanoes remotely through the use of electromagnetic waves.
So there are plenty of ingenious minds out there that are at work finding ways in which they can wreak terror upon other nations. It’s real, and that’s the reason why we have to intensify our efforts, and that’s why this is so important.
Q: What is response to (inaudible)?
A: We hope we will have access to the defector. In fact I was recently in South Korea and talked with various officials in South Korea. As soon as they complete their own interrogation of this defector, we will have access to that individual. But much of what he has said to date is reflected in the writings that he prepared last year. This is prior to his defection. One would not expect a potential defector to be writing about anything other than what the official doctrine or dogma is of the North Korean government at that time. He is saying essentially what we have known for a long, long time. Namely, that North Korea poses a very serious threat against South Korea, and potentially even Japan, by virtue of having the fourth largest army in the world, by having 600,000 or more troops poised within 100 kilometers of Seoul, of possessing many SCUD missiles, also the potential of chemically armed warheads, the attempt to acquire nuclear weapons. So we know they have this potential, and the question really is going to be what’s in their hearts and minds at this point? Do they intend to try to launch such an attack in the immediate, foreseeable future? That we can only speculate about, but that’s the reason why we are so well prepared to defend against such an attack to deter it; and to send a message that it would be absolutely an act of suicide for the North Koreans to launch an attack. They could do great damage in the short run, but they would be devastated in response. So we’re hoping we can find ways to bring them to the bargaining table — the Party of Four Talks — and see if we can’t put them on a path toward peace instead of threatening any kind of devastating attack upon the South.
Q: . ..a little bit about the situation in (inaudible)?
A: I really don’t have much more information than has been in the press at this point. The Department has not been called upon to act in this regard just yet, so I’m not at liberty to give you any more information than you already have.
Q: . ..the Administration’s plans to expand NATO to more European countries. Is there a terrorism element? Or will expanding NATO help you in any way in terms of (inaudible)? Or is it really unrelated?
A: I think the two are unrelated. There is a legitimate debate that will take place in terms of the pace of enlargement or whether there should be enlargement. Secretary Albright and I testified last week before the Senate Armed Services Committee, and it was a very, I think, productive debate. It’s something that Senator Nunn, I think, feels very strongly about as well. The two of us, I think, found ourselves on the Senate Floor last year saying it was time for the American people to start debating this issue. So it’s very important and there will be legitimate differences of opinion, but it’s important that we bring this to the Senate for full debate and disclosure, and bring it to the American people. But I doubt if it’s related to the spread of terrorism whatsoever.
Senator Nunn: Thank you very much.
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[MENTION=1871]muir[/MENTION] No no no. I could care less about HAARP. HAARP is real but what it can do or not do, I dont care. My view on this is that humanity seeks to learn and has always done so by leaping before looking. When the atomic bomb was first detonated the scientists involve believed there was a real possibility it could ignite all the oxygen in the atmosphere. Their solution to the question? They detonated it.
No matter how you die, you are going to die. Whether from old age in a hospital bed or from some stupid mistake or intent. We all meet the same fate and all of us, never come back here. So why sit around worrying about it?
No matter how you die, you are going to die. Whether from old age in a hospital bed or from some stupid mistake or intent. We all meet the same fate and all of us, never come back here. So why sit around worrying about it?
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"A new scientific truth does not triumph by convincing its opponents and making them see the light, but rather because its opponents eventually die, and a new generation grows up that is familiar with it." Max Planck
You're out of your league. Go ahead and mock me if it makes you feel better. I'm sure it will. But challenge any one of my thoughts then you will find out just how little you know.
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I wouldn't say i sit around worrying about it. I think i'm probably pretty philosophical about death
My view is that power should be exercised from the bottom of society upwards not from the top down
This means that people have to take on that mantle of being responsible for themselves and their wider community. If we want to be part of the decision making process then we need to be learning to use our minds as well as our bodies
For example you have mentioned how the elites let off the nuclear bomb without knowing the consequences; but if the people of the world had taken a vote on that do you think they'd have done it? No they wouldn't because on balance they are not insane
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Thats speculation. You say power should be governed from the down to up but once that happens, down is up. Who defines what down is? Rearrange the power structure and someone figures it out again and manipulates it again. Its a never win situation.
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No because it is not like capitalism where power could be weilded by the few
The majority would never vote to hand power back to the few so if society can get over that obstacle it will achieve the revolution
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IMHO, that is no reason not to make the lessons and things learned here more difficult than they have to be, which is to me what it would be to just let it go off now that we may have some inkling of how to at least partially mitigate it... It just might even feel like an epic accomplishment if we were able to mitigate it.
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Yes. It would feel like and epic accomplishment up until the exact moment in time you died. Then it would feel like nothing, just like everything else.
Ummm that wasnt meant to sound as harsh as it may have. The point is, the sooner people realize and accept they have a finite amount of time on the planet, the sooner we can get to the business of living.
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You mean fantasy death cults are kind of a stupid thing? Agreed.