Youth Going Through Gender Transition Are More At Risk Of Psychiatric Issues

Fruiteloop said:
@QuickTwist

@Akar

You seem to defend some kind of religion though.

You seem to make it a big deal in what you were fighting about with the other commenter.

Original sin supposedly caused everything die is says in the bible so the world is they way it is for that reason.

I was just adding my two cents.

To me dysphoria is a real phenomena.

But some religious people fight about it to make claims that its a sin or something which leads into such debates.

regardless, yes save the children the right way because the wrong way does not work.
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What is the right way?
 
Fruiteloop said:
@QuickTwist

@Akar

You seem to defend some kind of religion though.

You seem to make it a big deal in what you were fighting about with the other commenter.

Original sin supposedly caused everything die is says in the bible so the world is they way it is for that reason.

I was just adding my two cents.

To me dysphoria is a real phenomena.

But some religious people fight about it to make claims that its a sin or something which leads into such debates.

regardless, yes save the children the right way because the wrong way does not work.
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Forgive me, but on what basis are you drawing these conclusions? I don't believe I've said anything for or against either side. It was simply an objective fact. Please, explain to me where you see any bias.

-Giammarco
 
Fruiteloop said:
@QuickTwist

@Akar

You seem to defend some kind of religion though.

You seem to make it a big deal in what you were fighting about with the other commenter.

Original sin supposedly caused everything die is says in the bible so the world is they way it is for that reason.

I was just adding my two cents.

To me dysphoria is a real phenomena.

But some religious people fight about it to make claims that its a sin or something which leads into such debates.

regardless, yes save the children the right way because the wrong way does not work.
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And I did not bring religion into this thread. It was thrust upon me.

Original sin is not a theology that is necessary to believe in to be a Christian. EO and other Orthodox traditions do not believe in original sin, but I believe they are still Christians. This is part of my understanding of Christianity as a Protestant.

And I said that gender dysphoria is a real phenomenon, just overdiagnosed. So your criticisms against Christians holding some view against gender dysphoria don't really have anything to do with my views.

Last part: agree.
 
Akar said:
Forgive me, but on what basis are you drawing these conclusions? I don't believe I've said anything for or against either side. It was simply an objective fact. Please, explain to me where you see any bias.

-Giammarco
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What am I arguing for?

I just made a statement that if original sin happened then that could lead to death as the bible said it did. By whatever mechanism that is genetic or not. It really does not matter because I simply read the first few posts and got an impression on what the thread was about.
 
The implication is that if one is not singularly male or female
or not in line with what was assigned at birth in this way,
then one must not be living rightly, according to doctrine.
Which is laughable, and entirely false if one truly understands the doctrine.
As well as just humans in general.

By creating this thread, the implication is that proof is being given that it is "correct" to be and live heteronormatively etc.
Which is also quite laughable, if one truly understands the original study and the contexts thereof.

Y'all can deny your own implications all you want, but you're only lying to yourself.
 
Fruiteloop said:
If the child is really experiencing gender dysphoria or not.

How would we know or anyone since some kids still get depressed aftewards.
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If they truly are experiencing it, then they do need mental help, not bullying, I would agree there wholeheartedly.

I would also agree with Twist's original post in regards to your second thought, as I have also read quite some on the statistics of suicidal ideation, suicide, and worsening depression post transition.
 
Wyote said:
The implication is that if one is not singularly male or female
or not in line with what was assigned at birth in this way,
then one must not be living rightly, according to doctrine.
Which is laughable, and entirely false if one truly understands the doctrine.

By creating this thread, the implication is that proof is being given that it is "correct" to be and live heteronormatively etc.
Which is also quite laughable, if one truly understands the original study and the contexts thereof.

Y'all can deny your own implications all you want, but you're only lying to yourself.
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In humanity, one is ALWAYS singularly male or female. Deformities are exceptions, not the rule, and even with genital deformities, it is still clear whether they are male or female based on the kind of gametes the person produces. No human being on earth is both male and female, nor neither female nor male, nor "born in the wrong body." For the latter, that is simply a mental issue so it needs to be addressed as a mental issue.

The point of the article is that, rather than making the patient's mental health better by transitioning into the opposite gender, it actually has the reverse effect of making the patient's mental health worse. This simply aligns with the traditional view of sexuality, which has been normative for humans for almost all of its history (with some very few exceptions).
 
Fruiteloop said:
What am I arguing for?

I just made a statement that if original sin happened then that could lead to death as the bible said it did. By whatever mechanism that is genetic or not. It really does not matter because I simply read the first few posts and got an impression on what the thread was about.
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Yes, it means being approximate.

and here is why:
Fruiteloop said:
@QuickTwist

@Akar

You seem to defend some kind of religion though.

You seem to make it a big deal in what you were fighting about with the other commenter.
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No big deal, explain your theory


Wyote said:
Y'all can deny your own implications all you want, but you're only lying to yourself.
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100% ,but Quick posted an article, not the bible


-Giammarco
 
QuickTwist said:
In humanity, one is ALWAYS singularly male or female. Deformities are exceptions, not the rule, and even with genital deformities, it is still clear whether they are male or female based on the kind of gametes the person produces. No human being on earth is both male and female, nor neither female nor male, nor "born in the wrong body." For the latter, that is simply a mental issue so it needs to be addressed as a mental issue.
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I think it depends on why we have the psychology of the gender we do.

If gender is not physical then why not a male in female or female in male (psychologically speaking)

What is a gender other than physical? Its tough question people have problems with.

QuickTwist said:
The point of the article is that, rather than making the patient's mental health better by transitioning into the opposite gender, it actually has the reverse effect of making the patient's mental health worse. This simply aligns with the traditional view of sexuality, which has been normative for humans for almost all of its history (with some very few exceptions).
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We'd really need to look at the individual level.

I would think some kids were / became better who actually needed it.
 
Akar said:
No big deal, explain your theory
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From my experience at bible camp they said it be wrong of God to have evolution exist if everything was dying because that mean God was not perfect. A perfect God created a perfect world with no death suffering or bad stuff. Then Free will happened (Adam sinned) and we have a fallen world with corruption and all that.

Anything bad in the world then is because of free will. And Adams original free will specifically.
 
Fruiteloop said:
I think it depends on why we have the psychology of the gender we do.

If gender is not physical then why not a male in female or female in male (psychologically speaking)

What is a gender other than physical? Its tough question people have problems with.
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I reject the concept of "gender." It's a misuse of a grammatical reality. It speaks to nothing in human nature.

Fruiteloop said:
We'd really need to look at the individual level.

I would think some kids were / became better who actually needed it.
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So? Some people probably have better mental health from killing people. That does not mean we should murder people.

Why generalities matter is that trends show what works and what does not. As such, anything that does not fit in the generality is an exception, not the rule. Many things are like this. The English language is full of exceptions to exceptions. That doesn't mean we can start spelling words however we want.
 
Fruiteloop said:
From my experience at bible camp they said it be wrong of God to have evolution exist if everything was dying because that mean God was not perfect. A perfect God created a perfect world with no death suffering or bad stuff. Then Free will happened (Adam sinned) and we have a fallen world with corruption and all that.

Anything bad in the world then is because of free will. And Adams original free will specifically.
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I still don't see the correlation between Quick's original post and your comment. You've introduced a correlation between genetics and religion.

It's like saying all Muslims are pedophiles because Muhammad married a nine-year-old girl. Where is the actual link between genetics (psychiatric dysfunction) and religion?

-Giammarco
 
QuickTwist said:
I reject the concept of "gender." It's a misuse of a grammatical reality. It speaks to nothing in human nature.



So? Some people probably have better mental health from killing people. That does not mean we should murder people.

Why generalities matter is that trends show what works and what does not. As such, anything that does not fit in the generality is an exception, not the rule. Many things are like this. The English language is full of exceptions to exceptions. That doesn't mean we can start spelling words however we want.
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Exactly, as it would follow for some with dysphoria that having such delusions physically 'affirmed' would result in higher post op "happiness".
 
QuickTwist said:
I reject the concept of "gender." It's a misuse of a grammatical reality. It speaks to nothing in human nature.



So? Some people probably have better mental health from killing people. That does not mean we should murder people.

Why generalities matter is that trends show what works and what does not. As such, anything that does not fit in the generality is an exception, not the rule. Many things are like this. The English language is full of exceptions to exceptions. That doesn't mean we can start spelling words however we want.
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ok

then that is where you are coming from. that is fine

gender is to me something in the personality of how we experience reality

I'd say that's both male and female some would say otherwise
 
Akar said:
I still don't see the correlation between Quick's original post and your comment. You've introduced a correlation between genetics and religion.

It's like saying all Muslims are pedophiles because Muhammad married a nine-year-old girl. Where is the actual link between genetics (psychiatric dysfunction) and religion?

-Giammarco
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I never insulted anyone.

If the bible says death entered the world through Adam then there would be a mechanism but only if its true.
 
Fruiteloop said:
I never insulted anyone.

If the bible says death entered the world through Adam then there would be a mechanism but only if its true.
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did I say you insulted someone ?

I am asking you how you correlated psychiatric illness with genetics and religion, and you respond with Adam's original sin.

Let me give you another example: it is like comparing the growth and nature of a plant to Adam’s original sin. You can clearly see that the comparison doesn't hold up.

Perhaps you are the one who entered this discussion with unclear intentions?

-Giammarco
 
Fruiteloop said:
ok

then that is where you are coming from. that is fine

gender is to me something in the personality of how we experience reality

I'd say that's both male and female some would say otherwise
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You are conflating psychology and generally mental conceptions with scientific realities.

I agree that some people are more masculine or more feminine. This says absolutely nothing about the person's sex. If you want to say masculine and feminine have to do with gender, then fine. But I don't believe someone can be "trigendered" or whatever other madness people are coming up with.
 
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