Youth Going Through Gender Transition Are More At Risk Of Psychiatric Issues

Yes you can tie those things together but what happens if that does not work, then you get dysphoria.

The bible says nothing about dysphoria but we can infer that such things got srewd up because of adam and even if the bible is true.

Would dysphoria exist with the sin entering the earth, doubtfully so because then everything be perfect. nothing bad (suffering) would exist.
Adam and Eve had free will as well.. that is not a consequence of the fall, sorry. You are also conflating psychological disorders here with the choice to sin of our own free will. Never the two shall meet.

You cannot infer what you want when God made it crystal clear in His own words.

On that note I bid you a good evening, as I have guests coming to mine for a party tomorrow and the cleaning awaits. ✨️🏘🪄
 
A truly profound understanding of humanity must, as Aquinas suggested, acknowledge that our identity is rooted in the harmony between our mind and the biological reality of our bodies.

Dysphoria is dysharmony between mind and body.

Adam and Eve had free will as well.. that is not a consequence of the fall, sorry. You are also conflating psychological disorders here with the choice to sin of our own free will. Never the two shall meet.

You cannot infer what you want when God made it crystal clear in His own words.

On that note I bid you a good evening, as I have guests coming to mine for a party tomorrow and the cleaning awaits. ✨️🏘🪄

I just do not understand how you think dysphonia can exist without some reasons from your world view in the bible.
 
I don't think we disagree
I don't disagree with most people
It is always the case that language coupled with ignornace is a barrier to true understanding
So far I've only learned that there is some slight divergences in our lines of thinking
I don't think any of them are very consequential tbh
Agreed - minus the ignorance part.
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And also mad love, brother of mine. Mad ❤️ for you, Wy.
 
Particularly if the bible is true:

We live in an imperfect world.

dysphoria is not good thing

people just wish to be as they wish they would want to be
 
minus the ignorance part

That part is critical
I'm not calling either of us ignorant, or if I am, it is equally so
 
We live in an imperfect world.

dysphoria is not good thing

people just wish to be as they wish they would want to be

Absolutely.
There are many shades of dysphoria, not just gender related.

We created a funny problem for ourselves by utilizing science with such mastery/insanity.
A hundred years from now when we are all transforming ourselves into unrecognizable humanoids,
we will look back at this moment and laugh quite a lot.
 
I can always count on NF's to defend their idealism and that no two NF's ideal is ever the same. Did I already say that I was tired?

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Maybe its the worlds I use.

So easily one can be misinterpreted.

I do not even think I made any claims that were not related to the topic in a neutral way.

I think gender dysphoria is real so I have made conclusions based on that.

But I do not think I have gotten angry at anyone because they have a different view.

I know people think dysphoria is a mental illness but then what is a mental illness?

The mind body connection is a difficult topic to talk about when emotions run high and we cannot focus on such abstract things.

The problem is that we can defend our beliefs in such ways that when its concerned with gender dysphoria that if it is a mental illness its the fault of the person for having it. Most cases of mental illness the person is blamed for having it which is unfortunate because that is not the case at all. I believe people can function perfectly well if they are treated right by society so if a person is truly transgender it should not matter much to anyone else because they do not suffer from mental afflictions other that what has come at them from the outside.
 
I do not even think I made any claims that were not related to the topic in a neutral way.
My comment about idealism and personal ideals wasn't directed at anyone. Sure, I have I have my own personal ideas about the topics being discussed but it doesn't seem worth the effort simply to be heard over the truth of another. I placed the images of Dr. Xavier and Erik Magnus Lehnsherr because even in there extreme differences they were still friends at heart however painful it must have been. I imagine there will be some hurt feelings from the conversation in this thread but a good INFJ (or NF in general) should be able to recognize our differences and rise above it - this is true growth and I love that about everyone I engage here. I also know that it's not always easy because many NF's are hypersexual and suffer from neglect and abuse in childhood - these can cause deep internal pain and conflict.

The world is a tough place right now and I have empathy for anyone who is struggling with their own inner conflicts related to sex or gender. I truly hope they can find peace with the internal or external struggle to reconcile who and how they are and that people can allow them to find their own peace. I know this is idealism and that world peace is as much of a fantasy as war ever stopping - the same can be said on the personal level.

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@TomasM

Any topic that's controversial people have strong views on (like this one) will bring up negative feelings.

I sensed this.

So I guess I responded to you because you seemed more neutral than I could say what I said to anyone else.

It has like, this thing where on one side and on the other we just formed sides.

That is not bad or good but I happen to be too much aware of it.

So if anyone was bother by me, I was not trying to bother them.

Peoples opinions do not change much but I thought I'd at least not try and just be focused on what I understand.

I know it my opinions are not the same as other but I was had to be civil - I know that if I communicate properly less conflict arises.

From experience I found that the best way. I get less deep into reactive arguments that only have made me feel bad afterwards.

I do not have many friends to talk to in real life and the internet is the once place I can try and talk about such things openly.

Hopefully I am not making things worse for people. My intentions are to just talk. That gives me something to do in life.
 
I know people think dysphoria is a mental illness but then what is a mental illness?
Wait a moment, let’s pause and actually address this:

A mental disorder is, at its core, a dysfunction that impairs one's ability to lead a healthy or functional life. The DSM-V, despite its inherent limitations, is quite clear on psychiatric nomenclature and the criteria for clinical distress.

If you want to go deeper and discuss the validity of clinical labels, perhaps referencing the Langer and Aberson experiment and how labeling bias affects perception,that’s another conversation entirely. But the objective fact remains: there are recognized mental health conditions correlated with gender identity.

To be pre-emptively clear: I am not suggesting that every transgender individual has a mental illness. I am simply distinguishing between identity and the clinical reality of dysfunction. One must be able to hold both truths at once without conflating them

That being said, please realize you aren't offending anyone here. I doubt anyone has taken offense. This should be a space for dialogue where the objective isn't to 'be right,' but to express one's perspective without the fear of judgment.

However, for a dialogue to be productive, we must keep in mind that mental health isn't a nebulous concept; it is evaluated through Genetic, Cognitive, and Environmental factors. Historically, the description of psychopathology follows five axes to ensure a comprehensive understanding of the individual. Using these frameworks allows us to move beyond personal feelings and into a more objective analysis of human complexity.

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-Giammarco
 
It should also be noted some individuals make a gender transition, or identification, with no dysphoria, or sequelae whatsoever.

Cheers,
Ian
 
 
First thing: the Washington Examiner is a right wing (a.k.a. fascist) publication, and it is not reporting on this issue in good faith. Second, even if it is true that trans adolescents need more psychiatric care than the general population of adolescents, there could easily be other reasons for it. A big one is the pressure of living with minority stress in a hateful world. What we would really need to see from a study is if trans adolescents who receive gender affirming care need more or less psychiatric care than trans adolescents who do not receive gender affirming care despite the same level of need for it, but I realize that requires critical thought that fascists don't care about in the first place.

That is because these bigots really just want to kill as many trans people as they can manage, to eventually outlaw our existence completely. If you look at the many laws being passed in some Republican controlled states in the USA, you can easily see the direction they are heading: genocide of trans people.

I'm disappointed in the OP for choosing to spread hate rather than trying to empathize with trans people. Gender affirming care is life-saving; it has been for me even if I still deal with an extreme amount of anxiety due to what I have to deal with on a daily basis and fears for the future.

New data shows surge in trans kids’ suicides following healthcare rollbacks

Doctors Agree: Gender-Affirming Care is Life-Saving Care

 
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I have been staying out of threads, but it's hard to miss this thread with its very loud thread title that keeps popping up on the homepage.

It's interesting to see people using a mythological text/fantasy novel (the bible) written a couple thousand years ago as a basis for their arguments. This is the weakest argument you could possibly make. Especially since the views and beliefs found in the bible very obviously reflect the beliefs of those who were alive during that time, in that region.

There is goodness and wisdom in every religion, but there is also much that is problematic. Which is why critical thinking skills are necessary to separate the good from the bad, rather than passively accepting it all without question. Doing what an authority figure commands you to do without questioning the morality and worth of that request often leads to great harm.
 
It's so unfortunate to see that the people who claim to be the most tolerant have zero tolerance or respect for other people's faith.
 
It's so unfortunate to see that the people who claim to be the most tolerant have zero tolerance or respect for other people's faith.
100% correct.Observing the current dynamics, I am genuinely stunned. Human interactions are essentially bidirectional vectors: if one side provides a '1' (intellectual honesty) and the other side provides a '0' (prejudice), the system simply cannot converge. There is a demand for openness, yet what is being manifested is a form of axiomatic closure.
I find it deeply paradoxical when subjective concepts,whether political or religious,are used to attempt to refute objective entities, such as clinical and psychiatric data. Politics and faith are fundamental human dimensions, but they hold no jurisdiction over the empirical nature of data.
To assert that only one viewpoint is valid by retreating behind dogmatic labels is the very antithesis of critical thinking. Data has no color; it is fact. Everything else is just background noise.

Edit: It is the paradox of labeling someone a fascist while simultaneously mirroring the very same behavior.




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