[PAX] ACTUAL Presidential Candidate Discussion 2016

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SpecialEdition said:
It certainly gets people talking about difficult subject matter and brings their attention to things that may otherwise be swept under the rug. It's a start. Even if it's not the ideal way to broach certain subjects.
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Well, since he has entered the race he has for sure made all the other candidates address immigration issues.
So even if he is using his money as a bully pulpit, he is succeeding.
 
SpecialEdition said:
It's about all the exchanges in here that deviate from the original topic. So much for the thread being PAX. It's absurd.
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I questioned that from its original creation.
 
Eventhorizon said:
I questioned that from its original creation.
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It's up to every single person in the thread to abide by the PAX tag. We are all responsible.
 
Skarekrow said:
[MENTION=8603]Eventhorizon[/MENTION]

No more dude.
Stop.
Let’s chill.
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Yup. Tired of trying to defend your indefinable posts in relation to your statements and observations about me.
Your views on whatever else in the world may be what they are. You are entitled to them. When you start posting about me though you should absolutely expect to answer to it. You are making a good choice of stop talking regarding this
 
and now it seems that Bidden is in.....I love how he has been painted as a lech
 
Skarekrow said:
What is it that you like about your country’s current political system and what needs reforming?
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That's a big question! I'll do my best to give a satisfying answer.

The biggest win about the Danish society is that more people than ever are going to college and getting diplomas. Preparing for a highly specialized and competitive future work-environment is key to succeeding in the 21st century, and we're doing a great job of that. Furthermore, fewer people are dependent on the government to make ends meet, and there's more money to go around for all of us. Studies show that well-educated people spend more of their life in gainful employment, and invest all of the money back than they cost -- and then some! It's so important to make people feel like tomorrow is going to be better than today. As the stock market crashes around the world, the Danish stocks are breaking records. As time goes on, more people invest in Danish businesses. There's also a trend of businesses actually moving production back from China because of the superior infrastructure and highly educated population. All good things!

Another big win is that the government subsidizes organic, healthy food and renewable energy. It's good for the environment, but also great for standard of living. It makes fewer people dependent on pharmaceutical drugs and health care services, too.

That brings me to what needs to be reformed. The biggest issue right now is the rising cost of pharmaceuticals, which is getting to be a huge burden on the health care sector. The Danish government subsidizes medicine ordinated by doctors and specialists - the more you buy, the cheaper it gets. Some pills are crazy expensive, especially cancer and diabetes medication. Personally I would like to see pressure on the big pharmaceutical companies to lower the costs of their medicine, and I think that the government is doing a great job of that. The new centre-right government isn't doing as much, but it's still fighting the good fight.

Another important issue that needs reform is long-term unemployment. Despite having one of the lower unemployment numbers in the world, we need more business incentives and programs to hire professionals and build small businesses. Taxes on middle-class people and small businesses should be lowered so that they can compete with large corporations, and lower the cost of products and services.

All in all it's going pretty well. We export more than we import, our economy is strong, but we still need to beef up our numbers. The more we can produce and design, the less dependent we become on agriculture and production - jobs that suffer in recessions. Education is key to making us all safer in the future. We can't go around pretending that we're all islands and pitted against each other. The fact of the matter is that we're increasingly dependent on each other to make all of us richer and happier. We can either embrace that, or watch as our economy crashes like in China.
 
Eventhorizon said:
Yup. Tired of trying to defend your indefinable posts in relation to your statements and observations about me.
Your views on whatever else in the world may be what they are. You are entitled to them. When you start posting about me though you should absolutely expect to answer to it. You are making a good choice of stop talking regarding this
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I’m not scared of you EH.
Just trying to deescalate everything.
It’s not okay for me to post about you but you and Sriacha can about me?
That’s my point EH…those same meme’s that you say are so offensive are
1.) Meant as a jest, it’s supposed to be for a laugh.
2.) If they were meme’s putting down Hilary or Obama, you wouldn’t have a problem with them.
3.) Sriacha and yourself made it quite clear that you didn’t wish to hear about candidates like Bernie Sanders or my opinions that were not of your political spectrum after this posting by you -

Lets be serious for a second. Thinking that Trump will run the country in the ground is nothing more than speculation, opinion and your attempt to get people to think a certain way about him.
"Doesn't fit into your bubble..." thats a statement full of venom. Suggesting that someone has a closed mind before you have any reason to believe it.
But you are right, I have found that block works very well. I just have to remind myself to put it on and leave it on. Yeah...Trump will run the country into the ground huh? Its not like be can possibly do any better at that then where Democrat policy has put us today. Its impossible to deny that because we live in the world where thats happened. A President that was supposed to unite people who has done exactly the opposite.
So block stays on and I make sure not remove it regarding anything you say in the thread. Have at.
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So you both made it quite clear that my “opinion” was just horse-shit and discounted any further comments that are from the Democrats’ side are failed before you even know what they are…you have written them off already EH.
I’m not trying to argue with you man…really.

Now…go ahead, I’ll even let you have the last word…rip into me…have at it…go for it.
I will not respond to it.
Peace.
 
A youtube video where someone put Bernie and Hillary's comments from back in 2002 about reasons for voting in favor of (or not) the resolution for war with Iraq.

[video=youtube;2ySJLIc5BJM]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ySJLIc5BJM&feature=youtu.be[/video]
 
Bidden has consistently proven himself against US troop deployment [I actually sent him a hundred bucks when he announced for the Dem candidacy back in 07]
 
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I do agree with [MENTION=7838]SpecialEdition[/MENTION]

Let's try and keep this a political discussion, not a beef between two people.

I know politics can get heated, but we can still keep it civil and focus on the matter at hand, the election.
 
ezra said:
That's a big question! I'll do my best to give a satisfying answer.

The biggest win about the Danish society is that more people than ever are going to college and getting diplomas. Preparing for a highly specialized and competitive future work-environment is key to succeeding in the 21st century, and we're doing a great job of that. Furthermore, fewer people are dependent on the government to make ends meet, and there's more money to go around for all of us. Studies show that well-educated people spend more of their life in gainful employment, and invest all of the money back than they cost -- and then some! It's so important to make people feel like tomorrow is going to be better than today. As the stock market crashes around the world, the Danish stocks are breaking records. As time goes on, more people invest in Danish businesses. There's also a trend of businesses actually moving production back from China because of the superior infrastructure and highly educated population. All good things!

Another big win is that the government subsidizes organic, healthy food and renewable energy. It's good for the environment, but also great for standard of living. It makes fewer people dependent on pharmaceutical drugs and health care services, too.

That brings me to what needs to be reformed. The biggest issue right now is the rising cost of pharmaceuticals, which is getting to be a huge burden on the health care sector. The Danish government subsidizes medicine ordinated by doctors and specialists - the more you buy, the cheaper it gets. Some pills are crazy expensive, especially cancer and diabetes medication. Personally I would like to see pressure on the big pharmaceutical companies to lower the costs of their medicine, and I think that the government is doing a great job of that. The new centre-right government isn't doing as much, but it's still fighting the good fight.

Another important issue that needs reform is long-term unemployment. Despite having one of the lower unemployment numbers in the world, we need more business incentives and programs to hire professionals and build small businesses. Taxes on middle-class people and small businesses should be lowered so that they can compete with large corporations, and lower the cost of products and services.

All in all it's going pretty well. We export more than we import, our economy is strong, but we still need to beef up our numbers. The more we can produce and design, the less dependent we become on agriculture and production - jobs that suffer in recessions. Education is key to making us all safer in the future. We can't go around pretending that we're all islands and pitted against each other. The fact of the matter is that we're increasingly dependent on each other to make all of us richer and happier. We can either embrace that, or watch as our economy crashes like in China.
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Thank you for the well thought out and detailed response!
It sounds as if your country has made many smart choices and a lot of what needs to be reformed is a problem more from outside influences than within (like high drug costs).
I think the people of the world need to stand up to the drug manufacturers and force them to make costs manageable…and it can be done, it isn’t a matter of money…India for a long time was very lucrative at making copies of drugs for much, much cheaper until they were sued by the drug companies and forced to stop.
It’s like war profiteering in a way, where you are making money off of the suffering of others, when we have the ability to get these medications to those that need it for a reasonable price and we chose not to because it’s not as profitable, then that business needs to be told by the people that that is no longer okay to do.

Education is key with me as well…that is another think about Bernie Sanders is he is running to make college free, which it should have been a long time ago…oh wait…it practically was a long time ago here and then people got greedy.
It only makes sense to invest in higher education…statistically, those people have higher incomes and pay more taxes and SS over their lifetimes, so not only is it good in the sense of having an educated workforce, but also it makes fiscal sense as well.
 
[MENTION=4598]hush[/MENTION]

I’m still waiting for your awesome gif onslaught btw.
 
Skarekrow said:
Thank you for the well thought out and detailed response!
It sounds as if your country has made many smart choices and a lot of what needs to be reformed is a problem more from outside influences than within (like high drug costs).
I think the people of the world need to stand up to the drug manufacturers and force them to make costs manageable…and it can be done, it isn’t a matter of money…India for a long time was very lucrative at making copies of drugs for much, much cheaper until they were sued by the drug companies and forced to stop.
It’s like war profiteering in a way, where you are making money off of the suffering of others, when we have the ability to get these medications to those that need it for a reasonable price and we chose not to because it’s not as profitable, then that business needs to be told by the people that that is no longer okay to do.

Education is key with me as well…that is another think about Bernie Sanders is he is running to make college free, which it should have been a long time ago…oh wait…it practically was a long time ago here and then people got greedy.
It only makes sense to invest in higher education…statistically, those people have higher incomes and pay more taxes and SS over their lifetimes, so not only is it good in the sense of having an educated workforce, but also it makes fiscal sense as well.
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Hard agree. Sure you're not a social democrat?

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ezra said:
Hard agree. Sure you're not a social democrat?

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I go with the side that doesn’t screw over anyone for profits…that does the least harm to the environment…promotes intelligence and critical thinking…and believes that war is never an inevitable answer.
I would like to see a return to the tax code we had when the New Deal was introduced in the US…when they say that billionaires like Mitt Romney or Donald Trump pay a lower percentage of taxes than the average working class person, it is absolutely true.
Here’s a link to fact check so you know it’s not just an opinion.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/11/18/billionaires-taxes_n_1102234.html
So while we blame the poor/old/disabled/immigrants for the financial woes of this nation we have a huge list of both people and companies who have offshore tax-haven accounts, or move their home base to a country like Ireland to escape taxes.
Here is the most recent chart of the top guys - http://moneymorning.com/2015/05/21/chart-u-s-corporations-that-pay-no-taxes/
So not only do they not pay the taxes they are supposed to, they get tax breaks and subsidies (mind you, these are all profitable in the billions) and actually get tax money BACK from our government…that is the tax money of the middle class they are taking.
Then we get a bunch of BS that they can’t fix our crumbling and dangerous bridges - http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/09/15/bridges-need-repair/2816881/
That’s 65,000 bridges…
Or we hear that we have to make big sweeping cuts to social programs because we just don’t have the money for it.
Yes you do.
You just refuse to enforce and crack down on ANYTHING that Wall Street does.

So whatever kind of political party that throws me into…it’s that one.
 
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