Are we as a society being kept from discussing the big issues?
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I agree. It's absolutely insane. These were peaceful protests too.
The media blackouts and the manipulation of the media in this context is scary too. I think this really highlights the power of the internet and technology- much of the footage is from the public, and without it, this would likely go unnoticed.
It's just scary to think that the government could just shut down communications and hide what's going on in their country. I feel very much like this is an example of what people are saying could happen in America (and Canada) if the right to have arms is limited. The state could essentially disarm the public, and then move in to control. I don't know the gun laws in Venezuela, but these people were unarmed and the government hired gangs to come in and basically take them out....I just can't imagine.
The violence that goes on in the world terrifies me. I've lived in such a happy, peaceful, and puppy-filled bubble my entire life - I would not be prepared to handle this if it happened where I live, and that's so scary. I think society at large in north america isn't resilient enough to handle any kind of downfall - I guess that's the goal of the higher powers.
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There is protest kicking off all around the world as i predicted a number of years ago on this forum
The troubles in venezuala are being fomented by the US
Its like it says in that confessions of an economic hitman clip i posted that they send in CIA operatives with million of pounds and they pay people to cause trouble (rent-a-mob)
They concentrate all the action in one area and they focus all the cameras there
There has been a problem with crime in venezuala but it must be understood that the US is constantly trying to undermine the country
This trouble was started by the right wing opposition leader who represents the super rich minority in venezuala and the big corporate interests who the US also supports. they want to undermine the bolivarian revolution that is taking place across south and central america where people are demanding that the procedes from their national resources are used to help the people of that country
The US and Israel are also causing violence in ukraine at the moment to try and pull ukraine out of the sphere of the russian federation and into the sphere of the jewish central bankers
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The government in venezuala is fighting back against foreign intervention in their country....US intervention
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Yes, if you gave everyone 5 million dollars it would become almost worthless...you are right.
So let’s say that by inflation standards that 5 mil would boil down to 5000 dollars on a good day...your electricity bill would go up to reflect what the majority of americans have in their bank account since the electric company would now have to offer waaaay higher pay to get those workers to come to work....as would everyone else...it would be a disaster.
That isn’t what I said....to level the playing field completely would be Socialism in it’s truest form...and while there are some beneficial aspects to socialism it is not the solution to the problems we have now...and you shouldn’t believe Fox News that the liberal/progressive agenda is such, because it just isn’t true.
MY point is this - You cannot have a functional capitalist society without a strong consumer base (i.e. the middle/working class) it WILL fail, it is unsustainable.
Inflation rises while workers wages stagnate or go down. Add that to all the crooked money in Washington and we’re in for a rough ride before anything gets better.
We need to have a more progressive tax rate, like they did with the New Deal - the most productive period of time in America.
It is absolutely true that the top 10% pay a lower tax rate than the secretaries that work for them...I mean - WTF?
If the average American thinks that he/she will win the lottery then they are stupid and deserve to lose the money they waste on it.
As for sports players making shitloads of money...that’s fine...we can pay people as much as we deem worthy to run fast and catch a ball...we can even call them “heroes” as they get caught doing drugs and killing dogs and shooting people.
My problem is that the NFL is actually tax exempt status....I mean honestly...churches and charitable organizations hold tax exempt status...NOT a multi-billion dollar a year league....and that Sir, is a prime example of how the system is fucked.
The more money you have, the more power you have to re-write the laws in your favor.
End of story.
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This is actually one of the better ones... Jim Marrs is definitely Ni. I don't think I've mentioned it before, but the masks in secret societies are probably anti-remote-viewing low-tech style. I wonder if people pick up tails remote viewing Illuminati types. I think people have said that ETs can notice when they're being viewed, maybe us too.
[video=youtube;PAeoLUTIUYY]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PAeoLUTIUYY[/video]
[video=youtube;PAeoLUTIUYY]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PAeoLUTIUYY[/video]
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Interesting!
Thats a good description at around 1:02:00 where he is explaining how scientific discovery is actually suggesting strongly that we are living in a virtual reality eg the limits of the speed of light being down to the processing speed
The problem is the powers that be know all this stuff already...this is really what fukishima is about, its what CERN is about (there is going to be a new collider built in asia soon) its what their new ideo of beaming wifi down to earth from space is all about....they are manipulating us and our reality on a level that most people are just not getting to grips with yet...they've always been several steps ahead!
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That was good! Jim Marrs is always worth a listen!
I thought i'd look up some remote viewing stuff while watching that clip
Here's a link to a website for anyone who's interested: http://wakeup-world.com/2013/04/15/remote-viewing/
That website recommends two websites where people can try remote viewing for themselves:
http://www.greaterreality.com/rv/instruct.htm
This one has a test:
[SIZE=+1]Your Remote Viewing Ability One of the ways you can experience the Greater Reality is through remote viewing, a form of psychic ability very common among people. Remote viewers "see" objects and scenes hundreds or thousands of miles away by closing their eyes and focusing on the object or place. Craig, author of this Web site, can do it. You may be able to do it. To test your remote viewing ability, follow the instructions below.
If you would like to see how accurate remote viewers can be, click here to see some results of the Hawaii Remote Viewers Group viewings. Close the window when you are finished to return here.
A Remote Viewing Session
by an Acknowledged Master
Glenn Wheaton is the founder of the Hawaii Remote Viewers Group. His group is acknowledged as the most accomplished group of remote viewers outside of the military today (and perhaps including the military). Their site is at hrvg.org. As of May 21, 2008, they're down temporarily as they upgrade it.
Glenn has done a remarkable viewing for a skeptic in which he viewed and sketched the contents of an envelope. To see the account of the viewing, click here. It is in Dick Allgire's remote viewing newsletter, On Target.
[SIZE=+1] Testing Your Remote Viewing Ability
The only way to test whether you can remote view is to remote view. Follow the instructions below. If you are able to sense, know, or see the targets with some consistency, then you have remote viewing ability.
[SIZE=+1] Step 1: Make Your Mind an Empty Rice Bowl
[SIZE=+1] [SIZE=-1] The first step in this testing process is for you to learn how to make your mind into an empty rice bowl. That means you need to empty your mind of as much of the thoughts, images, and awarenesses that are normally part of your consciousness as you possibly can. Of course, you cannot completely empty your mind. You hear yourself breathing; your boss's image flits before you; you hear a dog barking. If you practice this over several weeks or months, you will become very good at it. That is a large part of what makes up meditation. [/SIZE]
[SIZE=+1][SIZE=-1] For now, just relax, close your eyes, breathe deeply, and empty your mind. Do so now for five minutes before going on. You will have a black window in your mind into which you can gaze. It is the window to your remote viewing. [/SIZE][/SIZE]
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[SIZE=+1] Step 2: Learn to Keep Your Imagination Quiet [/SIZE][/SIZE][/SIZE]
[SIZE=+1][SIZE=-1][SIZE=+1] [SIZE=-1] Your imagination will try to put images into that black window. You've been doing that all of your life, when you daydream, solve problems, or plan things. It will be difficult to keep the imagination from showing you images when you make your mind into an empty rice bowl. Imagination wants to fill it with strawberries and cream or imagination soup. [/SIZE][/SIZE][/SIZE][/SIZE]
[SIZE=+1][SIZE=-1][SIZE=+1][SIZE=-1] More than anything, be aware of the images the imagination is putting into your mind. If you see an image of your aunt, she likely is not the remote viewing target, so toss her out. [/SIZE][/SIZE][/SIZE][/SIZE]
[SIZE=+1][SIZE=-1][SIZE=+1][SIZE=-1] Also, very vivid images are probably imagination, not remote viewing, because remote viewed images are blurred and indistinct, especially at first. If you can identify the image, then it likely is not from remote viewing the target. In remote viewing, you will see indistinct images, shapes, and colors, but they will usually not look like something identifiable. Relax and empty your mind if something clearly identifiable comes into it. [/SIZE][/SIZE][/SIZE][/SIZE]
[SIZE=+1][SIZE=-1][SIZE=+1][SIZE=-1] When you do receive remote viewing signals, avoid trying to identify something or letting your imagination fill in the blanks to make something identifiable out of the impressions you have. If you can identify it, then your imagination has created it. When the imagination puts an image into your window, quiet your mind and empty your rice bowl. Make your window black. [/SIZE][/SIZE][/SIZE][/SIZE]
[SIZE=+1][SIZE=-1][SIZE=+1][SIZE=-1] Practice that for five minutes now. Relax, close your eyes, and empty your mind. As imagined images come into your mind, quiet your mind and empty the window so it is black. [/SIZE][/SIZE][/SIZE][/SIZE]
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[SIZE=+1] Step 3: Remote View the Targets [/SIZE][/SIZE][/SIZE][/SIZE][/SIZE]
[SIZE=+1][SIZE=-1][SIZE=+1][SIZE=-1][SIZE=+1] [SIZE=-1] You will be presented the target identifiers one at a time. Each is associated with a photograph that is very distinctive. Close your eyes, relax, empty your mind, and look at the blackboard in your mind. Say the target identifier to yourself or see it writing on the blackboard. Then sit quietly and wait for visual details, color, temperature, touch, texture, and emotional sense.[/SIZE][/SIZE][/SIZE][/SIZE][/SIZE][/SIZE]
[SIZE=+1][SIZE=-1][SIZE=+1][SIZE=-1][SIZE=+1][SIZE=-1]After you get impressions, open your eyes and sketch the images or write the impressions. Write only the details; don't try to decide what the target is. Put a line below the impressions when you're done to separate them from the next set of impressions. Then close your eyes again, relax, make your mind an empty rice bowl, and say the letters of the target identifier in your mind. Wait for more impressions; then open your eyes and record them. You might do that eight or ten times for a single target. [/SIZE][/SIZE][/SIZE][/SIZE][/SIZE][/SIZE]
[SIZE=+1][SIZE=-1][SIZE=+1][SIZE=-1][SIZE=+1][SIZE=-1]There are ten targets in the test. View at least five of them. You may get correct information from only one or two because you are not trained in remote viewing yet. Don't give up on the first one.
This one sets a new challenge daily: https://www.remoteviewdaily.com/
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I think that discussion is managed and mitigated in myriad ways.
It goes a way, way beyong what Chomsky et al have discussed in things such as manufacturing conscent when they have demonstrated how dissent is neutralised in democratic societies with free speech and much worse than what the, some what reductive and simplistic, opposing view has articulated as "media bias".
There are fundamentally different understandings of key topics at stake, these fundamentally different understandings have some serious emotional and psychological underpinnings which reinforce themselves, so discussion never goes beyond, broadly speaking, "politicisation" or "polarisation" to any depth of understanding or appreciation of differences. People are instead interested in purely and simply "going to bat for" or becoming instantly defensive, misplaced concepts like "winning", "argument" and disputation enter into what is described as "discussion" but is really a misnomer.
Who selects the topics, how they are framed, what the likely consequences are, dont get much thought and so the same memes circulate endlessly, people are satisfied or disatisfied by seeing them circulate, the pro or contra, without ever really thinking its not a) or b) its probably c).
Just one example I can think of is the manner in which heteronormativity has become demonised and its impossible now to stake out a position defending this as the experience of the majority of people without being considered a bigot, often as a religiously or traditionalism motivated bigot. Another example is the difficult of any discussion about the diversity of economic and social conditions refered to singularly as "capitalism" or any change in those without reference to pretty dated political labels and concepts such as "socialism", communism, fascism, totalitarianism or a lot of appealing, though seriously reductive and fantastical equations of capitalism with freedom, prosperity etc.
It goes a way, way beyong what Chomsky et al have discussed in things such as manufacturing conscent when they have demonstrated how dissent is neutralised in democratic societies with free speech and much worse than what the, some what reductive and simplistic, opposing view has articulated as "media bias".
There are fundamentally different understandings of key topics at stake, these fundamentally different understandings have some serious emotional and psychological underpinnings which reinforce themselves, so discussion never goes beyond, broadly speaking, "politicisation" or "polarisation" to any depth of understanding or appreciation of differences. People are instead interested in purely and simply "going to bat for" or becoming instantly defensive, misplaced concepts like "winning", "argument" and disputation enter into what is described as "discussion" but is really a misnomer.
Who selects the topics, how they are framed, what the likely consequences are, dont get much thought and so the same memes circulate endlessly, people are satisfied or disatisfied by seeing them circulate, the pro or contra, without ever really thinking its not a) or b) its probably c).
Just one example I can think of is the manner in which heteronormativity has become demonised and its impossible now to stake out a position defending this as the experience of the majority of people without being considered a bigot, often as a religiously or traditionalism motivated bigot. Another example is the difficult of any discussion about the diversity of economic and social conditions refered to singularly as "capitalism" or any change in those without reference to pretty dated political labels and concepts such as "socialism", communism, fascism, totalitarianism or a lot of appealing, though seriously reductive and fantastical equations of capitalism with freedom, prosperity etc.
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Yes they control the locus of the discussion...they set the agenda and they decide how the issue is going to be framed to the public
Their political system is a bit like a football league. These guys are such control freaks that they are not content owning and controlling the two main football teams (the republicans and democrats) in the league they want to own the league itself and that way it doesn't matter which team wins the league they will always coem out on top
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Here's the latest of the daily 'newspaper review' on the ritchie allen show from The Peoples Voice. It covers the current civil unrest in the ukraine and venezuala:
[video=youtube;77Kvc5FBHhs]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=77Kvc5FBHhs#t=10[/video]
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I agree with that to a certain extent but I dont want to exaggerate anyones control, things are more chaotic and unpredictable than that I think and always will be but there's no question the powerful set the parameters and frame debates, its the old idea of loaded questions like "how long have you stopped beating your wife?", how do you answer that without being framed in a particular way? Straight out challenge it and you get "so you deny that you ever beat your wife?" etc.
Although I think there is a general cultural malaise too, people dont think too deeply, the are inclined to discourage anyone else doing so too, issues are simplified to a point were discussion is all but impossible, topics are handled reductively and often very emotively.
I see a lot of discussions in which people are obviously in some sort of contest, they are trying hard to appear clever or more clever than each other but they do it not by any real discussion but by having the greatest recollection of their own sources and there is, I think, an honest idea that the opposing point of view has nothing to redeem it and they are either covering up their essential wickedness or unaware of it and need to understand or "get it" rather than they have an honest difference which is worth considering and not dismissing it.
The road to hell is paved with good intentions.
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Their control is only an illusion but a powerful one. But just like their money their control only exists because we believe in it...we give power to it. If enough of us reject them and their system then the system becomes irrelevant
That is because the corporate mainstrema media dumb down the issues and avoid the big issues. They focus on the tirivalities...see clip below
Their news looks at the who, the where, the when, the what but rarely the why....and if they do talk about the why it is a distorted why to lead people off the scent; this is why more and more people are turning their back on the mainstream media nd to the alternative media
[video=youtube;NQrl6ncPXWQ]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQrl6ncPXWQ[/video]
Best to supply the facts and provide supporting evidence, then people can make their own minds up from that
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I used to think that, although from reading lots of psycho-analysis, and particularly Erich Fromm, I'm more and more convinced that there are micro and macro unconsciousness of so much, Fromm takes it further and suggests that there are social characters created and reinforced by powerful unconscious or subconscious sociological and economic forces. There's no way that society could reproduce itself by compulsion alone, it just couldnt do it, so it produces people who want to do what they have to do, what they are needed to do.
Its a social engineering which no one is that aware of but operates in favour of the status quo or homeostasis, stabilising at a macro level the same way that habit does at a micro level, you know so an addict might know their situation is miserable and dire but they will prefer it and its "stability" and "familiarity" to the risk of change. I also think that most of psycho-analysis or depth psychology's research about affect and emotion are very good in determining social attitudes.
I would agree about corporate or mainstream media, although I dont rate much of the alternative media either, on the left and the right they are dedicated to a sort of preachy reinforcement of opinions without much self-criticism, its worse on the right, they never had their Orwell or Orwell moments or had to deal with their militant tendencies like the left wing did, they just evolved into their militant tendencies and most of the left wing took up position as the moderate right wing.
Perhaps, although I dont really think that's sufficient, there's kinds of obsticles to dialogue or discussion which need to be removed and I'm not convinced its possible to do that presently, not sure if it ever will be.
There are topics on the left or right which until you discover completely were someone is coming from you will not be able to engage with them because unawares you could be speaking with them and they are slowly building inaccurate pictures of you as a bigot or fool or who likes what simply because you are not obviously sharing their own personal filters and perspectives which they've considered objective, fair and just, reasonable and sensible all along.
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The 'stability' and 'familiarity' of the entire population is going to be upset when the economy crashes
This is going to lead to a lot of peoples cosy perceptions of reality being outright shattered
The only way to provide the alternative media with the oportunity to grow, diversify and improve is to vote with our feet and support it
People do tend to cling to perceptions of reality which they have a lot invested in but i think the external reality is shifting so rapidly that people will be required to do greater and greater feats of self delusion to try to hide from the obvious
When they do let go of their perceptions they will look around to determine where the threat is coming from and equally who their allies are.....they might find in that more fluid mental state that in fact people that before they perceived as enemies might in fact be their allies in a wider common cause
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fair enough, you were right that the chem attack Obama used to threaten Syria may well have come from a rebel militia.