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What.

The.

Fuck.

Nobody even noticed that it would be physically impossible for the Hulk to fit into a "Yoda dwelling".
 
Sloe Djinn said:
What.

The.

Fuck.

Nobody even noticed that it would be physically impossible for the Hulk to fit into a "Yoda dwelling".
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Good one!


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Get it off your chest, Amad. Now take a deep breath and settle in.
 
[MENTION=14048]amad[/MENTION]

I got you covered.

sprinkles said:
Discrimination isn't always hateful. There's a pitfall here where people talk about why it's always about hate, or they say that they don't hate so and so, or claim to have good intentions and be a nice person or whatever.

That's irrelevant. Discrimination often involves hate yes, but it isn't the strictly defining factor. Neither is how pleasant or affable one is.
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Also, if this is a conflict of interests for Dragon then it is also a conflict of interests for you.

Now do us all a favor, would you?

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Also we're not silencing you, you're free to talk on other forums where people support you.

Sound familiar?
 
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Lots of posts to catch up on!

[MENTION=6917]sprinkles[/MENTION]

Why so interested in interesting dialogue?
How can I not be interested in dialogue? People are interesting creatures, always been fascinated by group dynamics and social interaction so it comes naturally as an introvert to observe, be intrigued by what people say, how they say it, how I interpret what they say — the mechanism of the “how” is the interesting part for me.

Is this entertaining for you?
When kittens come into the equation - yes. Entertaining is not the word I would use. For me it will always be the Why? How? And What?....and other questions going around in my head.

Where is the dialogue moving forward to? What do we achieve by open discussion (besides open discussion?)
I’m generally an optimistic person so I can always see progression in the smallest of details. Each person will need to determine for themselves as to what they see as moving forward or what they would like to achieve by open discussion.

For me it's the ability to be able to see and hear different perspectives which gives me an opportunity to learn from others, analyse it, play around with it in my head, make connections, continually challenge and question myself (crazy for some but actually being in my head is something I enjoy).

Open discussion doesn't occur in one single thread…it's a work in progress and develops over a period of time. For me I saw a glimpse of something different in the way Matt and Grayman were trying to facilitate a conversation and that gave me the opportunity to do so something new and just show my appreciation.
 
@amad

You wound me, but it's okay.

I'm a freedom fighter for the gay agenda. I wield rainbows like Zeus with his thunderbolts. My armor is a blue, pink, and white dress that was woven by faeries and blessed by Agdistis hirself. For my heroism, I was granted the title of dame by Mother Monster, and both Alex Vause and Nomi Marks have invited me to join them in a debaucherous threesome due to my irresistibly sparkly splendor.
 
Grayman said:
First, you cannot remove a belief with logic. You can only alter or ensure consistency in a system of beliefs using logic. Example: Logic cannot prove that a god does not exist but it can show inconsistency in the assumptions a person makes about who God is and what he thinks.
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I never said other wise. I said that someone with such an closed mind wouldn't be willing to accept a rational point of view. I do agree that logic is near useless when confronted with such a twisted interpretation of the facts. And it doesn't matter how much you point out inconsistencies or inaccuracies in their thinking, if a person wants to remain ignorant then they will.

Grayman said:
What moves people to change their opinions and beliefs are the impressions they get from circumstance and people. A near death experience is a common example of how 'non-logic' can alter a person in ways that could never be reasoned into them. Everyone leaves impressions on other people and on this forum we are leaving impressions on way more people than the people we are directing our posts to. I don't expect a sudden change of heart but I do believe that our impressions have some effect over time.

Mostly though, you would have a hard time change someone you do not understand. From what you wrote I can tell you do not understand him. I used to be like him. I used to think/feel the way he does but I was changed. I was not changed by the people who opposed me, rejected me, grew angry at me or called me bigot etc... I was changed by people who understood me and gently guided me. I was changed by people like Dragon who put himself/herself in an uncomfortable position and showed a strong patience in guiding me to understanding of transgenders instead of being disgusted and casting me out for having an opinion that is believed to be hateful.
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And does he deserve our understanding? Should we also look with consideration to anyone who insults or attacks others? What about those who take a more active stance and commit physical violence on people they have a misguided hatred towards. You're right, I don't understand that sort of mentality. I've been ignorant about different lifestyles, but I never hated or rejected an entire group of people because of that ignorance.

Grayman said:
Keep in mind that Amad did not attack anyone on this forum. He only stated his opinion. Many found his opinion to be distasteful but I would rather praise his honesty and see it as on opportunity to be real with him, than to take his opinion as a personal affront or a valid judgment to who 'I' am or what I believe.
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You're wrong. He attacked everyone on this forum who doesn't identify with gender or sexuality norms. Maybe if you could show the slightest bit of empathy to the people he called "wrong" and "abnormal" you might understand the reaction.

Grayman said:
I never suggested this was about me persuading anyone. In fact, I suggested this was about everyone here. I think there is potential in everybody here and I think a lot can be done with the right mindset. In fact, some individuals here have already shown their ability to persuade with an understanding and patient attitude. Dragon has altered my perception of transgender already. That does not stop at me either. His strength moves on through the others I interact with as well.

Lastly, I do not think 'direct' opposition offers anything but more opposition. I never said "do not appose", "do not criticize", and "do not speak out against" but i see a difference between direct/aggressive opposition and reasonable opposition.
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Why should Amad be treated with more respect and compassion than those he attacked. If I went up to you in the street and called you names and slandered your mother would you be as quick to see my side of things? Would you show a reasonable attitude and try to calmly explain why I'm wrong. Or would you feel offended and want to tell me to fuck off. If it's the former then I admire your restraint. You must have had some fascinating interactions with certain people.
 
Dragon said:
@amad

You wound me, but it's okay.

I'm a freedom fighter for the gay agenda. I wield rainbows like Zeus with his thunderbolts. My armor is a blue, pink, and white dress that was woven by faeries and blessed by Agdistis hirself. For my heroism, I was granted the title of dame by Mother Monster, and both Alex Vause and Nomi Marks have invited me to join them in a debaucherous threesome due to my irresistibly sparkly splendor.
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[MENTION=834]Dragon[/MENTION]

Then by your own admittance you are a gay activist, therefore you are biased and this disqualifies you to lock a thread about LGBT, you are being unfair, I hope another admin interferes. But if you are the only admin then I will leave this forum.
[MENTION=5667]Jacobi[/MENTION]

I didn't call anybody names and I didn't slander your mother! you guys seem to live in a glass house, so fragile that it is about to fall on you. If you are really confident in your case, you would counter an argument with an argument, a fact with a fact. If someone criticized my heterosexual life style, I wouldn't feel offended a bit, if he posted research that heterosexuality is risky, if he said he wouldn't hire a heterosexual, he's free, he's entitled to his opinion, I wouldn't silence him.

What happiness would such a lifestyle that is full of doubts and insecurities bring you guys? face it, is it worth the risk, do you feel happy having multiple partners and engaging in risky sex? why not allow yourself to examine the other point of view perhaps there is some truth to it or perhaps not. You really seem to be intoxicated with your lifestyle, unable to hear any other point of view, well good luck to you.
 
[MENTION=5667]Jacobi[/MENTION]

Correction - he only attacked the ones that don't feel guilty about their ways. Which might actually be worse because it implies that his opinion is defacto the correct one and that there's no argument to be made against him because any LGBT person that wants to accept how they are is tainted from the start.

It's not possible to have a real discourse when you think your opponent has no credibility because you believe they are mentally diseased.
 
amad said:
[MENTION=834]Dragon[/MENTION]

Then by your own admittance you are a gay activist, therefore you are biased and this disqualifies you to lock a thread about LGBT, you are being unfair, I hope another admin interferes. But if you are the only admin then I will leave this forum.
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By your own admission you wouldn't hire homosexuals. This is the same thing.

Actually no, it's not the same thing. You're worse. A locked thread doesn't leave you unemployed.
 
[MENTION=14048]amad[/MENTION]

Also this forum and the machines it runs on are private property and you are a guest here. The owners and admins are free to do whatever they see fit. So no, this is not unfair at all. By your logic this is perfectly fair. You think you're not getting in the way by not giving someone a job because they can work somewhere else. Dragon isn't getting in your way because you can post somewhere else.

They're logically the same. Either admit it is true or admit your error.
 
My Christian beliefs and the Bible have teachings that tell us how to live. If a person was brought up in these teachings, wouldn't one expect obedience of them to a certain degree? If someone were to say something against murder, most here wouldn't take it to heart so deeply. We consider ourselves the salt of the earth, and it is natural for us to say things here and there that may offend someone. What I find interesting is how those that feel wronged by these teachings attack the teachings and the messenger. A person wants to be accepted, yet cannot accept the bearer of "truths" a person was raised in.

Would a black person hire a descendant of one who owned slaves and owns his roots' plantation? Things are not so fixated on what they seem. We are asking people to accept things they do not believe in. When they cannot, it becomes more intolerance than most would admit.

I think, mostly, we are all better than this.
 
just me said:
My Christian beliefs and the Bible have teachings that tell us how to live. If a person was brought up in these teachings, wouldn't one expect obedience of them to a certain degree?
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Other people have their own beliefs. If you want yours to be valid then the best thing is to leave people alone.

If someone were to say something against murder, most here wouldn't take it to heart so deeply. We consider ourselves the salt of the earth, and it is natural for us to say things here and there that may offend someone. What I find interesting is how those that feel wronged by these teachings attack the teachings and the messenger. A person wants to be accepted, yet cannot accept the bearer of "truths" a person was raised in.
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We just want to be left alone.

Would a black person hire a descendant of one who owned slaves and owns his roots' plantation? Things are not so fixated on what they seem. We are asking people to accept things they do not believe in. When they cannot, it becomes more intolerance than most would admit.
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I'm sure they would. It would be stupid to not hire someone based on something so petty.

I think, mostly, we are all better than this.
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Obviously not. Nobody is asking to accept anything. Nobody is asking for anyone to change their beliefs. We're asking for people to stay out of the way and not interfere.

We don't need you to teach us. We don't go around teaching you, do we?? We don't go around telling you that you need to be gay because it's a better life style! We don't go telling you what we think is best for you.

Maybe we should start.
 
And seriously, how many times have those very same things been said? HOW MANY FUCKING TIMES NOW?

Do we have to beat you? Maybe it's about time for that.
 
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You know, I used to feel bad for Christians when people called them crazy and delusional.

I sure as hell don't feel bad about it anymore though.
 
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