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Jacobi said:
And does he deserve our understanding? Should we also look with consideration to anyone who insults or attacks others? What about those who take a more active stance and commit physical violence on people they have a misguided hatred towards. You're right, I don't understand that sort of mentality. I've been ignorant about different lifestyles, but I never hated or rejected an entire group of people because of that ignorance.
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What do you mean deserve? Who is deserving or not deserving of understanding. Understanding benefits me. It helps me make more rational decisions. I empathize so that I can understand people. This does not mean I condone their actions, sympathize with them, support them, or even accept their behavior. In regards to people who contribute to destructive behavior. When I saw Ender's Game it put to words something I always known to be true.

“In the moment when I truly understand my enemy, understand him well enough to defeat him, then in that very moment I also love him. I think it’s impossible to really understand somebody, what they want, what they believe, and not love them the way they love themselves. And then, in that very moment when I love them.... I destroy them.”
― Orson Scott Card, Ender's Game

My personal view of the word "destroy" in this quote is to change in a way that they are no longer the same person.

Jacobi said:
You're wrong. He attacked everyone on this forum who doesn't identify with gender or sexuality norms. Maybe if you could show the slightest bit of empathy to the people he called "wrong" and "abnormal" you might understand the reaction.
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He is inherently critical and judgmental and people equate this feeling to being attacked. Particularly people who don't handle criticism well. I think his criticism is overbearing and not constructive. I don't find his approach to be very wise.

I am empathetic toward everyone but I get the feeling you mean sympathy. I showed sympathy toward homosexuals and by recognizing their struggle. I was critical toward amad in some cases but never critical to homosexuals.

Jacobi said:
Why should Amad be treated with more respect and compassion than those he attacked.
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Everyone should be treated with respect. I did not give him more respect than homosexuals. I called him misinformed while I sympathized with the struggle homosexuals had to go through.


Jacobi said:
If I went up to you in the street and called you names and slandered your mother would you be as quick to see my side of things? Would you show a reasonable attitude and try to calmly explain why I'm wrong. Or would you feel offended and want to tell me to fuck off. If it's the former then I admire your restraint. You must have had some fascinating interactions with certain people.
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I would ask you what is wrong. What am I to feel until I know all the facts?
 
amad said:
Anybody can change his sexual orientation at any given point, it is a choice, like choosing to wear a hat on your head.
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Your words are written down, so don't go changing your argument to say something else unless you are either purposefully lying or you admit to your mistake. You said 'at any given point,' which implies ease. Maybe you should either quit fucking lying or pick your words more carefully so you don't go insulting people with how unbelievably stupid you are.

amad said:
I said it is like putting on a hat in that it is a conscious choice, I didn't say it is as easy.
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Choosing whether to wear a hat or not or what hat to wear also implies ease. You are either at ease with your sexual orientation and thus change would be difficult, or you yourself have difficulty in keeping with one sexual orientation because change is so easy. So which is it?
 
amad said:
You can be sexually attracted to a goat Matt3737 one day, but since you have a brain most likely you would choose not to have sex with the goat. Having an unconscious whisper from the demons doesn't mean you should act upon them, you always have a choice, so leave the poor goat alone. I said it is like putting on a hat in that it is a conscious choice, I didn't say it is as easy.
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No offense but are you from the Middle East? I have heard of goat bestiality being practiced in some parts.
 
Grayman said:
No offense but are you from the Middle East? I have heard of goat bestiality being practiced in some parts.
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Amad is an Arabic male name commonly given out to ethnic Indians, I believe.
 
Matt3737 said:
It's nothing like choosing to wear a hat on your head because that implies the choices are weighted equally. Do you wake up every day and decide who you are going to be attracted to each day? To say that it's a simple switch is to imply that every human being is fundamentally bisexual and are simply "choosing" which gender they are attracted to at any given moment.



It's a deeply unconscious process that is not consciously alterable. To say otherwise is deeply ignorant unless you want to demonstrate it by choosing to change your sexual orientation yourself as an example of how easy it is.
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Poor examples.
 
amad said:
You can be sexually attracted to a goat Matt3737 one day, but since you have a brain most likely you would choose not to have sex with the goat. Having an unconscious whisper from the demons doesn't mean you should act upon them, you always have a choice, so leave the poor goat alone. I said it is like putting on a hat in that it is a conscious choice, I didn't say it is as easy.

@skarkrow

I think with the recent study of identical twins the case has been closed, there is no gay gene whatsoever, your genes didn't make you do it.



Many ex gays are coming out saying that nobody is born gay.




As for the theory that most homosexuals have been molested at a young age, I think this video makes it clear, and like I said you can ask homosexuals in a gay bar yourself and see what they will tell you, it is all about deep anger, revenge and demonic lust not love.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gXGlawiibK8[/youtube]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gXGlawiibK8
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First of all you make many assumptions about how educated on this subject I am.
Secondly, my older brother is gay and has endured great hardship because of it, not the other way around.
Your twins study is ONE study…that proves nothing.
The fact is, we do NOT know what the majority of our genes and DNA actually do…that study has nothing to do with that.
It proves nothing.
For every study you throw up…I can cite you two.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news...ience-says-homosexuality-not-choice/?page=all
http://www.livescience.com/50058-being-gay-not-a-choice.html
But go ahead and not read them…stop pretending like this is a debate and you haven’t already made up your mind.
I didn’t say that it was purely genetic, but that it was and still is a possibility.
You obviously don’t understand human genetics very well if this is your interpretation of what you read.
Your genes and DNA predispose you for this or that…it is partially your environment (including the stressors put on your Mother while she was pregnant with you) (See Danish Hunger Babies) and partially what you have predisposition for.
You DNA provided the building blocks for your structure, but if I locked you in the dark for the first 4 years of your life, you would be blind…not because your genetics made you blind, but rather, the ability was determined by the mind to have no input and never develops.

You still didn’t answer my questions about your “Christian” justification for the denouncing and suppression of rights for homosexuals?
Because it seems like you are awfully worried about who is sticking what into whom and you should be more worried about your neck sticking into places it shouldn’t be.

BTW Good thing that the gays are adopting so many kids in Foster care…at least someone is picking up the slack not being towed by the loud-mouthed judgmental “Christians” who should have fixed the issue by now if they truly adhered to the teachings of Jesus.
 
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[video=youtube;ouOWXQIDSY8]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ouOWXQIDSY8[/video]
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I think it’s pretty clear what just happened there
 
Skarekrow said:
You still didn’t answer my questions about your “Christian” justification for the denouncing and suppression of rights for homosexuals?
Because it seems like you are awfully worried about who is sticking what into whom and you should be more worried about your neck sticking into places it shouldn’t be.
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I really don't think he is a christian... If he is.... Being judgmental is a sin.
 
Grayman said:
I really don't think he is a christian... If he is.... Being judgmental is a sin.
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That doesn't work because then they just say something inane like "Well it's not my judgement, it's God's judgement."

They can weasel out of anything they set their minds to.
 
Skarekrow said:
First of all you make many assumptions about how educated on this subject I am.
Secondly, my older brother is gay and has endured great hardship because of it, not the other way around.
Your twins study is ONE study…that proves nothing.
The fact is, we do NOT know what the majority of our genes and DNA actually do…that study has nothing to do with that.
It proves nothing.
For every study you throw up…I can cite you two.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news...ience-says-homosexuality-not-choice/?page=all
http://www.livescience.com/50058-being-gay-not-a-choice.html
But go ahead and not read them…stop pretending like this is a debate and you haven’t already made up your mind.
I didn’t say that it was purely genetic, but that it was and still is a possibility.
You obviously don’t understand human genetics very well if this is your interpretation of what you read.
Your genes and DNA predispose you for this or that…it is partially your environment (including the stressors put on your Mother while she was pregnant with you) (See Danish Hunger Babies) and partially what you have predisposition for.
You DNA provided the building blocks for your structure, but if I locked you in the dark for the first 4 years of your life, you would be blind…not because your genetics made you blind, but rather, the ability was determined by the mind to have no input and never develops.

You still didn’t answer my questions about your “Christian” justification for the denouncing and suppression of rights for homosexuals?
Because it seems like you are awfully worried about who is sticking what into whom and you should be more worried about your neck sticking into places it shouldn’t be.

BTW Good thing that the gays are adopting so many kids in Foster care…at least someone is picking up the slack not being towed by the loud-mouthed judgmental “Christians” who should have fixed the issue by now if they truly adhered to the teachings of Jesus.
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Then I assume we agree that the "born that way" slogan should not be used by the gay activists because as you say our knowledge of DNA is limited.

-It is good that you mentioned the Ben Carson comment, it is really worthy of contemplation: "a lot of people who go into prison, go into prison straight, and when they come out they're gay, so did something happen while they were in there? Ask yourself that question."

Can you answer his question, can your brother answer his question? can anybody explain how there are more ex-gays out there than there is gays? homosexuality is absolutely a choice.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PwVSQ5kGXMA[/youtube]
 
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amad said:
Then I assume we agree that the "born that way" slogan should not be used by the gay activists because as you say our knowledge of DNA is limited.

-It is good that you mentioned the Ben Carson comment, it is really worthy of contemplation: "a lot of people who go into prison, go into prison straight, and when they come out they're gay, so did something happen while they were in there? Ask yourself that question."

Can you answer his question, can your brother answer his question? can anybody explain how there are more ex-gays out there than there is gays? homosexuality is absolutely a choice.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PwVSQ5kGXMA[/youtube]
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WTF are you talking about…I said nothing of the sort and you keep ignoring what I am actually saying.
Just because we don’t know exactly how our DNA and genes function fully how those switches are flipped on and off doesn’t mean that it doesn’t exist.
For a long time, they didn’t know which genetic markers determined your eye color, but it didn’t mean the marker weren’t there…that’s a stupid circular argument to nowhere.
I said most likely it is a combination of nature AND nurture.
Don’t try and twist my words to suit your needs again.
You didn’t read what I posted or you would have addressed the very first link I provided you concerning the inference that homosexuals are molested at a greater rate or molest at a greater rate is nonsense.
http://psychology.ucdavis.edu/facult...lestation.html
Once again…go ahead and ignore the evidence that says you’re ignorant to what you are spewing.

Do you really want me to answer that question about prison for you?
More ex-gays? Show me the evidence.
Evidence.
Not some obscure website you dig up…show me link upon link or you are just a fucking poser who is talking out their ass.
 
[MENTION=14048]amad[/MENTION]

Just because you have mixed sexual tendencies that you choose to suppress doesn't mean everybody else does as well.
 
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Hey look!! There are links at the bottom to further support the claims made in this infographic…what a novel concept!​
 
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