Complex PTSD (C-PTSD)

Soulful said:
What's the purpose of defining something as a disorder and not an illness?
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Because they are cured differently. A disorder can be cured by changing a persons way of thinking. An illness can't be cured by simply changing a persons way of thinking.
 
Soulful said:
It's great that you knew you needed something else. It's also nice to recognize that your experience may not be everyone's experience, not because they're ignorant about their problem, but because their biology might be different from yours and their physiological needs or processes may require a different approach.
I'm sorry if this is coming across as condescending; that's not my intent, your posts are just kind of mind-blowingly out of touch and narrow-minded, to be honest. And the saddest part about it is how they de-legitimize people who are already struggling with something rather difficult in a world where mental illness is synonymous with stigma. Way to perpetuate.
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I disagree, I don't feel my post was mind-blowingly out of touch and narrow. And in reality I said nothing to de-legitimize these disorders, you did.

Go ahead and read them a second time.
 
Paladin-X said:
Well not quite that simple. But I agree that most mental disorders are reversible. Mental disorders are vastly complex and require equally complex methods to undo them. (Which is a system I am working on as the main focus of my research into psychological disorders.)
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In some cases a psychological disorder can be caused by an illness. For example vitamin deficiencies can lead to depression. Still, communication is almost always key to solving these disorders unlike real illnesses that are virtually unaffected by communication.
 
chulo said:
Because they are cured differently. A disorder can be cured by changing a persons way of thinking. An illness can't be cured by simply changing a persons way of thinking.
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Yes, but in previous posts you act like its nothing that serious. You say "Changing your way of thinking" like it's easy. That is also not completely true either. When it comes to both BPD and CPTSD changing your way of thinking or working through your thought processes can help with certain elements but in no way covers it all. There are plenty of symptoms a person can't control and just has to live with. Both of these disorders are chronic.
 
It's funny because if anybody in here read my blog they would realize that I recognize disorders as serious issues. I was just talking about them in my blog last week. LOL. You guys got me all twisted.
 
chulo said:
Because they are cured differently. A disorder can be cured by changing a persons way of thinking. An illness can't be cured by simply changing a persons way of thinking.
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Where do you believe thinking comes from dude? Some magic place?

If your mind is altered past a certain extent then any input which attempts to repair your thinking becomes warped since you need the thing which is in disrepair in order to absorb it in a meaningful way. Communication and perception are effected in similar fashion.

In other words it comes to a point where the tool you would need to make repairs is the one that is broken and it cannot fix itself because it is in disrepair. I think the recursive nature of this should be obvious even to a layman. If you aren't thinking right then how can you even start to?

I mean explain schizophrenia for example.
 
chulo said:
It's funny because if anybody in here read my blog they would realize that I recognize disorders as serious issues. I was just talking about them in my blog last week. LOL. You guys got me all twisted.
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I think it's your wording that led us to get the impression we did.
 
Neverwhere said:
Yes, but in previous posts you act like its nothing that serious. You say "Changing your way of thinking" like it's easy. That is also not completely true either. When it comes to both BPD and CPTSD changing your way of thinking or working through your thought processes can help with certain elements but in no way covers it all. There are plenty of symptoms a person can't control and just has to live with. Both of these disorders are chronic.
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I think [MENTION=5375]chulo[/MENTION] is talking from a high-level, big picture perspective. In its very essence, it is as simple as changing the way you think or act. However, carrying out that big picture idea is vastly complex.

I could be wrong, but I think this is the disconnect that makes it sound like he's being very nonchalant or ignorant about it, but isn't.
 
Paladin-X said:
I think [MENTION=5375]chulo[/MENTION] is talking from a high-level, big picture perspective. In its very essence, it is as simple as changing the way you think or act. However, carrying out that big picture idea is vastly complex.

I could be wrong, but I think this is the disconnect that makes it sound like he's being very nonchalant or ignorant about it, but isn't.
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While I agree, that's still oversimplifying.
 
Paladin-X said:
I think [MENTION=5375]chulo[/MENTION] is talking from a high-level, big picture perspective. In its very essence, it is as simple as changing the way you think or act. However, carrying out that big picture idea is vastly complex.

I could be wrong, but I think this is the disconnect that makes it sound like he's being very nonchalant or ignorant about it, but isn't.
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I don't see how that is any different at all from saying that you cure the flu by becoming well. Of course that's what you want to do but it says nothing at all about how.
 
sprinkles said:
I don't see how that is any different at all from saying that you cure the flu by becoming well. Of course that's what you want to do but it says nothing at all about how.
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I don't understand the point of what you are saying. Can you please elaborate or re-word it? Was he supposed to explain the 'how'?
 
Paladin-X said:
I don't understand the point of what you are saying. Can you please elaborate or re-word it? Was he supposed to explain the 'how'?
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Not necessarily but the way he phrased it seems to imply that it is a matter of pure volition rather than a process.

What if I told you simply in your thread about comprehension that you must learn to comprehend? Would that have gone over well?
 
sprinkles said:
Where do you believe thinking comes from dude? Some magic place?

If your mind is altered past a certain extent then any input which attempts to repair your thinking becomes warped since you need the thing which is in disrepair in order to absorb it in a meaningful way. Communication and perception are effected in similar fashion.

In other words it comes to a point where the tool you would need to make repairs is the one that is broken and it cannot fix itself because it is in disrepair. I think the recursive nature of this should be obvious even to a layman. If you aren't thinking right then how can you even start to?

I mean explain schizophrenia for example.
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Psychologists learn a variety of methods to get a person out of a certain frame of mind. Speaking about problems and emotions in third person is a common method. But there are others as well.

In cases like psychosis, medication might be needed. But PTSD and BPD are not typically characterized by psychosis. I consider that a whole different topic.
 
[MENTION=5375]chulo[/MENTION]

CindyLou basically compared C-PTSD and BTD; from what I'm taking, comparing the severity and longlasting nature of the two illnesses.
Neither in her post is she 'dismissing' entire disorders like your posts seems to imply... :|

I think I have something to say but my mental atm doesn't have the capacity. Maybe tomorrow.

And this would be a good time to remind all of us that is astrology-inclined that hello, we're entering Mercury Retrograde this month. :D
 
chulo said:
Why didn't anyone jump on her ass??? LOL
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Because she didn't sound dangerously close to the type of person that says "It's all in your head, just get over it!" and use your same arguments to substantiate it.

Maybe you don't intend that and it's a misunderstanding but you sound very close to one of them, so just realize that the reaction you are getting is not entirely unfounded out of thin air.
 
Trifoilum said:
....Eeep. I didn't expect someone being affected with this disorder. I'm so sorry to hear it; I hope you'll get the necessary treatment and be able to get better ASAP. *hugs [MENTION=5297]Neverwhere[/MENTION] and [MENTION=4871]CindyLou[/MENTION]*

I'm still wondering, what's the difference between C-PTSD and BPD?
I get a feeling that C-PTSD is more....nuanced, more pervasive form of PTSD;
at least in real life it's one disorder which symptoms is not as 'explosive' in appearance as PTSD (or at least the way media portrays the disorder). C-PTSD seems....self-sabotaging. Or imploding.
Am I right in that assessment?

Questions; I do have some. I apologize beforehand if my words offend any of you. >_< @Neverwhere @CindyLou
What sort of treatment works for C-PTSD? From @Neverwhere 's story and your plans, it appears behavioural therapy seems to work better for you than say, medication?
I'm personally conflicted about the wording; what sort of abuse causes C-PTSD? As in, how long? How severe? How helpless one's got to be? >_>
And if I may get a bit personal, how does the disorder affect your life?
From just the wikipedia article I get the impression that C-PTSD affected one's self perception -and- relationship with other people...just like PTSD.
But again, the nuance seems to portray C-PTSD as something that's a tad more pervasive and subtle and self-affecting.
Not a -reaction-, but a -distortion-.
Less 'alien invasion' compared to PTSD, more 'house of mirrors' ?
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I think [MENTION=5437]Paladin-X[/MENTION] described the differences between the two disorders quite well earlier. I haven't really been able to reply properly with my full attention till now cause I had the little one hanging off of me :D
Another difference between the two is how people with the two disorders interact. People with borderline tend to have more violently changing moods when it comes to people in their life. They tend to idealise and demonise people. You could be the best person in the world to someone with borderline one minute, you could do no wrong and then the slightest thing ie. having to cancel lunch plans for a valid reason is enough to make them swing the other way and get out of proportion angry. Borderlines also have a tendency to be incredibly manipulative. They are often incredibly needy and can be very demanding of your time and attention which leads back into the last two points I made. People with CPTSD (although they can be a little needy in other ways sometimes) don't have most of that happening for them. It can be confusing, because like Paladin said a lot of people with BPD also fit criteria for CPTSD.

I've had a number of friends with BPD and I had to cut them off because I couldn't handle all of it.

That's a fair enough assessment of CPTSD. It can get "explosive" sometimes depending on how well the person is coping at the time, but I can see how it appears more calm than PTSD. The thing about the self sabotaging element is that a person may not realise that's what they are doing. I was revictimised a couple of times when I was younger and now that I'm a little better and have more understanding of what it is that's going on for me I can see how I subconciously put myself in vulnerable positions. Its like this situation has happened plenty of times before, it's what your used to and so even though you know better, on a subconcious level you think this is normal behaviour.

I probably have a little more going on than CPTSD (which is essentially classed as an annxiety disorder). I don't really get too into labels other than to work what I need to get better, but recently my psychologist mentioned he thinks I have treatment resistant depression along with it. From what he's told me (and he specialises in BPD/CPTSD and Dialectical Behavioural therapy), at least in this country, DBT is one of the main forms of treatment. Therapy essentially. DBT consists of group therapy that works on coping mechanisms to deal with "Big feelings" as they put it (exteme distress) each week alongside a one on one session. Medication can also be used. When I ws at my very worst I was prescribed an anti psychotic (which can also double as mood stabilisers) and an anti depressant. I've done a lot of work since then and would only really need an anti depressant these days. People with BPD (in ireland, at any rate) are usually prescribed an anti psychotic along with an anti depressant also.

I think the wikipedia article explained it very well. I mean its hard to answer those questions in any detail because it's all relevant. Different people have different ways of coping and different levels of tolerance. What might devastate and traumatise one person might be something another person could work trough themselves, you know? I don't think it depends on the type of abuse whether it be phsycial, sexual, emotional -- any type of severe abuse that a person is trapped in without escape can lead to CPTSD.
Complex post-traumatic stress disorder (C-PTSD) is a psychological injury that results from protracted exposure to prolonged social and/or interpersonal trauma in the context of either captivity or entrapment (a situation lacking a viable escape route for the victim), which results in the lack or loss of control, helplessness, and deformations of identity and sense of self.
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The first paragraph from the article there -- it's pretty straightforward i think.

Anyway, as for my personal experience I'll pm you (I don't feel comftorable sharing here) or feel free to pm me any specific questions you might have. I don't mind answering, I'd just rather it not be on the public boards :)
 
Fast forward to 10:00. See what this BPD sufferer has to say about it. He says the exact thing as me "it's not an illness".

[video=youtube;967Ckat7f98]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=967Ckat7f98[/video]
 
chulo said:
Fast forward to 10:00. See what this BPD sufferer has to say about it. He says the exact thing as me "it's not an illness".

[video=youtube;967Ckat7f98]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=967Ckat7f98[/video]
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Context, man. He did not say what you think he said. He is referring to other people who believe a person should be able to control themselves because they believe it is not an illness.
 
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