Complex PTSD (C-PTSD)

[tfg345i4u5lw]

I'm thinking this is the core of your whole statement, and if I may ever so cruelly dissect your argument and premises; even when these statements are true, there's still no way to directly infer that the conclusion you're drawing.

The former premise is one of background; true, within certain levels and dimensions the world is just a business, and that includes the psychiatric world.
(I assume there is an implicit statement added and working here, namely;"a business exploits features / any happenings in the world for the sake of profit.")

The second premise is -also- one of background; in this case the background of the disorder.
(I'd have to question the truth of this statement because C-PTSD are diagnosed with people who have experienced trauma / abuse. That is VERY far from being poor at communicating. In fact being poor at communicating can be considered a cause of this abuse.)

While the conclusion of your argument seems to be this: "So I suspect many of the people diagnosed with these disorders really just need to figure out life a bit but are being told they have serious disorders. These are not actual illnesses, they are just disorders. They are vague and so diagnosis is somewhat subjective."

None of this challenge the existence of the disorders themselves; none of this challenge the effectiveness of the treatments; whether the treatments are actually useful to the patients or not. And most importantly, the arguments are not exclusive. Your argument that these disorders are ultimately a mental problem or a problem of communication or a problem of character (perhaps) and can be treated as such can be true and still coexist with the argument that a) mental disorders (or rather, what 'builds' mental disorder) exists. b) there are medical treatment for these disorders that have beneficial effect for the patients, enough to make them return for more.

So...the vast distance between your argument -and- your proposed conclusion.....it can be compared with the common perspective that 'meh, mental disorders ain't real / as dangerous as 'real illness' anyway, people should just get over it'. And that is really invalidating.

And I'd like to offer the moral idea of "...okay, so you argued they are not real. So what? What does it have to do with the thread?
What does it have to do with how other people are treating their disorders?" But....you seemed to get it too


Digression about a digression here:
I'm not trying to demean or finding fallacies in your argument, but... I'm just trying to dissect your argument and present it in a mathematical way, adding implicit arguments that seems to work in my understanding of your post. In some ways it probably help you understanding where I'm coming from

Initial Belief 1 : Mental disorders aren't caused by a virus or a bacteria.
Initial Belief 2 : They aren't caused by the immune system acting in ways it shouldn't.
Conclusion 0 : They are disorders that can be cured with communication, people just need to learn to communicate.

Premise 1 : In my opinion these are modern problems that people develop from being poor at communicating. (from Conclusion 0)
Conclusion 1 : I suspect many of the people diagnosed with these disorders really just need to figure out life a bit. >> This is the most nonexclusive part.

Premise 2 : there are financial incentives for diagnosing people with this stuff.
Premise 3 : People in the psych industry need people like this for business.
Conclusion 2 : (implicit) People will lie and create as much disorder as possible to put people in boxes, while also creating businesses, drugs, and services to accommodate that need.

Premise 4 : (implicit) People will lie and create as much disorder as possible to put people in boxes, while also creating businesses, drugs, and services to accommodate that need.
Premise 4b : (implicit) And an existence of a lie and/or manipulation means everything related is invalid >> I think this is the working rule.
Premise 5 : (implicit) People diagnosed with psychological disorders will use drugs / commit at treatments
Conclusion 3 : People are (will?) being told they have serious disorders

Premise 6 : I suspect many of the people diagnosed with these disorders really just need to figure out life a bit. (from Conclusion 1)
Premise 7 : but are being told they have serious disorders. (from Conclusion 3)
Premise 4b : (implicit) And an existence of a lie and/or manipulation means everything related is invalid
Conclusion 4 : These are not actual illnesses, they are just disorders.

Premise 8: These are not actual illnesses, they are just disorders. (derived from conclusion 4)
Conclusion 5 : The diagnosis is somewhat subjective.

Premise 9 : The diagnosis is somewhat subjective. (from Conclusion 5)
Premise 10 : A disorder can be cured by changing a persons way of thinking.
Premise 11 : An illness can't be cured by simply changing a persons way of thinking.
Conclusion 6 : They are disorders that can be cured with communication, people just need to learn to communicate ??? >> Circular argument!?

Am I getting this right?


Agreed to all of this.

You got some right and some not. I know you already realized we discussed this but I still want to respond.

Conclusion 0: This wasn't really a conclusion I was drawing from the previous two statements. It was more just a statement. Although I will humbly admit it isn't 100% true. Some extreme cases require more than counseling.

Conclusion 1: Yes. You should take this one at face value. I do suspect many of the people diagnosed with these disorders are misdiagnosed and need to just figure themselves out. I suspect this because of the financial incentives. Here I'm looking at it through the lens of business, which is my bias.

Conclusion 2: I don't think people maliciously lie to others. I think they lie to themselves more than anything. Another reason I suspect people are misdiagnosed is because psychologists learn to see the world through their own bias similar to how I see the world through my business bias. When I went to counseling years ago, they began diagnosing me before I even let my guard down. They diagnosed me with severe depression. I had a 5 minute consultation with a doctor and he started prescribing me anti-depressants. I refused to take them because I don't trust those drugs and I didn't feel severely depressed. This fast food diagnosis/prescription-like experience of mine also influenced my bias.

Conclusion 3: The premises are false but the conclusion is true. People are being told they have serious disorders. Many of them have serious disorders but many don't. (my suspicion)

Conclusion 4: I stand corrected. The term illness is an umbrella term covering a wide range of things including mental disorders.

Conclusion 5: Yes. I still stand behind this statement. The diagnosis is partially subjective.

Conclusion 6: Ehh... whatever. lulz

 

[tfg345i4u5lw]

What does more normal than average mean?

Sorites paradox??

Strong willed, happy, successful, etc.. These things appear normal but in reality probably aren't, hence the quotations.

 

[5r6jhd]

Conclusion 4: I stand corrected. The term illness is an umbrella term covering a wide range of things including mental disorders.

[MENTION=5375]chulo[/MENTION]

THANK YOU.

I'd friggin hate to live in the states. I think in your country shit does get over diagnosed and the DSM has reached ridiculous levels. I got so angry because just because there are elements of this going on, your reducing and generalising because of it is innacurate and damaging.

Where I'm from it's hard to get taken seriously and mental illnesses can be really serious things. I disagree about communication. Most people are awful at communicating -- not all illnesses or disorders are down to poor communication and definitely not in whole.
Whilst BPD has elements of it, it's largely a problem with emotional regulation.

CPTSD isn't so much communication either. It leads to problems communicating, which is difficult but no way is it caused my problem communicating.

I also disagree with what you said abouti these being "modern problems". Just because in recent decades we've been able to come up with names for certain clusters of symptoms does not mean they are new problems.

I agree that some doctors can be too quick to prescribe meds -- I suppose its different in America to what it is here. Where diagnoses like these take years to happen.
I thin

 

[the]

Sorites paradox??

Strong willed, happy, successful, etc.. These things appear normal but in reality probably aren't, hence the quotations.

Why is being happy and successful not normal? Those seem like the quintessential normal things to me.

 

[tfg345i4u5lw]

Why is being happy and successful not normal? Those seem like the quintessential normal things to me.

I didn't say *being happy and successful wasn't normal. I don't know what normal is.

 

[the]

I didn't say they weren't normal. I don't know what normal is.

True but you did say that they suffer from being more normal than average, or at least being more normal than average is a symptom.

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a : of, relating to, or characterized by average intelligence or development
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Well I do know what normal is, especially considering that I am a ISTJ - normal is what I do. Let me illustrate what I found so difficult to understand by replacing the word normal with the definition most applicable from the dictionary:

A lot of people with BPD appear more "perfect" or "more 4B free from mental disorder" than average and that is where a lot of the trauma comes from.

I'm sure you can see why I am having such a hard time understanding, perhaps you could clairify. What does it look like to be so normal that you suffer from it. In my mind I imagine a line representing normality. Where are the healthy normal people at? I even attached a badly made picture for reference.

 

[tfg345i4u5lw]

True but you did say that they suffer from being more normal than average, or at least being more normal than average is a symptom.



Well I do know what normal is, especially considering that I am a ISTJ - normal is what I do. Let me illustrate what I found so difficult to understand by replacing the word normal with the definition most applicable from the dictionary:


I'm sure you can see why I am having such a hard time understanding, perhaps you could clairify. What does it look like to be so normal that you suffer from it. In my mind I imagine a line representing normality. Where are the healthy normal people at? I even attached a badly made picture for reference.

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I didn't say they suffer from being more normal than average. I said "many people with BPD appear to be more "normal" than average". From what I understand, it seems these people can appear more normal than average, especially in the earlier stages of the disorder.

They often uphold an image but when they get alone they "deflate" and feel exhausted. This is where much of the trauma comes from.

Also, I think there is another misunderstanding. I've been talking about BPD this whole time. I said in my first post I'm not familiar with C-PTSD.

 

[sprinkles]

[MENTION=933]Seraphim[/MENTION]

Sounds similar to the situation with my mother.

Personally I learned (and not soon enough) that it does not matter how much one is accountable. The main difference is how much compassion you have when dealing with the person. Even the most horrible person still has feelings (most of the time anyway - the rare person literally does not have much but they are an exception)

So while there are things that need to be done, perhaps even removing the person from your life, it should not be done with malice or spite because that is not at all productive.

I believe all are accountable for their self. I began to take accountability for myself even when things I do are not entirely my fault. I learned this when I learned to have compassion for myself. I learned what is not right to do even when I don't mean to, so even when I was delusional and flipping out and somebody would call me on it, instead of resorting to being defensive and making excuses I would just accept that it was me and my doing. I became more in control as I practiced this.

 

[Vicarious]

Wow...thank you for posting those

No problem. I thought they were super informative and interesting. I got some bonus points on my paper for including a C-PTSD diagnosis since it wasn't something that was covered in the class.

 

[Soulful]

It appeared that there is a sort of distinctive line between 'physical existence' that separates 'true illness' from 'faux illness'.
Also existed is the seemingly black-and-white thinking of "NOPE YOUR OKAY MOVE ON DON'T WHINE" and "YEP YOUR CRAY GET AWAY FROM ME DANGER DANGER LOCK YOURSELF". Which is...ultimately wrong?
From what I know, ultimately mental disorders do affect the body via hormones and bodily reactions and brain activities?

[MENTION=2172]Trifoilum[/MENTION] Yeah, for sure. You know, I think it is wrong. a) Assuming things about people that severely disadvantages them is problematic, and b) doing this when they are sick and deserve help is significantly more troubling. Mental disorders can be so difficult to deal with, though. Even I find myself fearing people who may be unstable if I see any indication that it may threaten me. I feel this way in spite of not being proud of it, in spite of knowing full well that I DON'T want to perpetuate stigma and in spite of having what I hope is greater awareness than the average person. I think it's human instict for survival that drives the fear of the unknown, and in certain experiences with mental illness, a worry about our own safety. The sad truth seems to be, though, that most people with a mental illness are significantly more likely to hurt themselves than they ever will others. And those few who might, well it is no different or not much different than a brain cancer patient with a frontal lobe tumour having their behaviour affected by their physiology. I'm speaking in general terms, of course. Specific conditions can be highly problematic, and others might not offer any risk to anyone, simply pain or misery.

And yeah, there is definitely a physiological component to mental health.

 

[sprinkles]

[MENTION=407]Soulful[/MENTION]

It's also for that reason that they are more likely to be hurt by others.

 

[5r6jhd]

I love how this thread ended up being mostly about Borderline Personality Disorder and validating/defending people who have mental illness.

 

[tfg345i4u5lw]

I love how this thread ended up being mostly about Borderline Personality Disorder and validating/defending people who have mental illness.

I'll proudly take credit for that.

 

[Soulful]

@Soulful

It's also for that reason that they are more likely to be hurt by others.

Good point.

 

[Trifoilum]

I think @Paladin-X described the differences between the two disorders quite well earlier. I haven't really been able to reply properly with my full attention till now cause I had the little one hanging off of me
Another difference between the two is how people with the two disorders interact. People with borderline tend to have more violently changing moods when it comes to people in their life. They tend to idealise and demonise people. You could be the best person in the world to someone with borderline one minute, you could do no wrong and then the slightest thing ie. having to cancel lunch plans for a valid reason is enough to make them swing the other way and get out of proportion angry.

Ah, makes sense. I got a feeling that C-PTSD tend to be more...long-term? As in, long-seated grudge and pedestals so high and strong...but not as quick as people with BPD?

Borderlines also have a tendency to be incredibly manipulative. They are often incredibly needy and can be very demanding of your time and attention which leads back into the last two points I made.

So the manipulation is more of an effect, I see?

That's a fair enough assessment of CPTSD. It can get "explosive" sometimes depending on how well the person is coping at the time, but I can see how it appears more calm than PTSD. The thing about the self sabotaging element is that a person may not realise that's what they are doing. I was revictimised a couple of times when I was younger and now that I'm a little better and have more understanding of what it is that's going on for me I can see how I subconciously put myself in vulnerable positions. Its like this situation has happened plenty of times before, it's what your used to and so even though you know better, on a subconcious level you think this is normal behaviour.

I can see it happening.
How to say it without being offending...sometimes there are 'genuine' reaction towards the world and its ongoing, other times there are some reaction of ours that are... more a reaction against ourselves, if you catch my drift? Like, shadow repulsion, but not exactly like that.

if I may put myself in the equation, I can see C-PTSD being the latter. And of course, things are more complex than that; we are influenced by our surroundings and circumstances, etc..

I probably have a little more going on than CPTSD (which is essentially classed as an annxiety disorder). I don't really get too into labels other than to work what I need to get better, but recently my psychologist mentioned he thinks I have treatment resistant depression along with it. From what he's told me (and he specialises in BPD/CPTSD and Dialectical Behavioural therapy), at least in this country, DBT is one of the main forms of treatment. Therapy essentially. DBT consists of group therapy that works on coping mechanisms to deal with "Big feelings" as they put it (exteme distress) each week alongside a one on one session. Medication can also be used. When I ws at my very worst I was prescribed an anti psychotic (which can also double as mood stabilisers) and an anti depressant. I've done a lot of work since then and would only really need an anti depressant these days. People with BPD (in ireland, at any rate) are usually prescribed an anti psychotic along with an anti depressant also.

That is interesting. And I never heard of it either before ;
...also, if I may ask, what's the difference between anti psychotic and anti depressant?

I think the wikipedia article explained it very well. I mean its hard to answer those questions in any detail because it's all relevant. Different people have different ways of coping and different levels of tolerance. What might devastate and traumatise one person might be something another person could work trough themselves, you know? I don't think it depends on the type of abuse whether it be phsycial, sexual, emotional -- any type of severe abuse that a person is trapped in without escape can lead to CPTSD.
The first paragraph from the article there -- it's pretty straightforward i think.

Of course. >_< I would also posit that the circumstances affects the...tiny little details in which people with C-PTSD are affected.
in that case I guess they are similar with PTSD?

Anyway, as for my personal experience I'll pm you (I don't feel comftorable sharing here) or feel free to pm me any specific questions you might have. I don't mind answering, I'd just rather it not be on the public boards

If I may.. >_<

 

[Trifoilum]

C-PTSD is so different though it maybe be somewhat similar on the surface but underneath it's not the same... someone with C-PTSD might withdraw or be paranoid of intimacy to protect themselves from further abuse, they might get angered easily, but it's not technically splitting. Underneath what's going on underneath and what is causing the behavior is different.

..Yeah, the way I see it, C-PTSD's overall personality disorder seems to be...deeper, more chronic and pervasive. Like a fight-or-flee-or-freeze effect that went haywire and/or overboard.
BPD's paranoia / withdrawal on the other hand, appear to me like secondhand effects of something else. It's acute, but rapid and less deeper. Seems to be another effect of the 'borderline' in question?

So I see C-PTSD like, Trauma >> Withdrawal/paranoia/mistrust/anger/overtrust/overreliance.
While Borderline seems to act like Trauma/Imbalance >> 'Borderline' >> Withdrawal/paranoia/mistrust/anger/overtrust/overreliance

I read about the term sequelae. Perhaps it has a connection....

Sorry if I used the wrong words too. I see BPD as something very severe and difficult to treat and deeply woven into someone's personality and more so an illness...a sickness. I see C-PTSD as something equally serious but there is more hope for healing IMO and I see it as an injury due to someone else's sickness.

It seems to be so.

BORDERLINE.
They slip in and out of one or the other with erratic and irrational behaviour. There are different levels of severity with any illness or disorder.

Ah, yes; that's what I was wondering too; what are the difference between people with severe symptoms and light symptoms...

Psychosis is a vague predicate and therefore subject to the Sorites paradox.

I didn't want to chime in because my experiences are pretty different, but I have DDNOS which is like C-PTSD's more controversial cousin in some ways and I can tell you about some borderline psychosis.

It is not entirely binary. It's something that can be edged into. I had a spectrum ranging between sort of freaked out but still grounded to totally gone from reality.

That's interesting. I still got tons of readings to do (AIEEE), can you tell me a bit about DDNOS?

I'm not really sure I get it either...but they toe that line and slip back and forth. I've experienced being turned from white to black by a diagnosed borderline..their paranoia..their neurosis...then they slip right into some sort of madness and then come back.

...............I can see that actually. Of course, the reality might be quite complex to decipher, but that slippery slope....*nods*
Try not to think about it in white-black-grey color scheme, but red-purple-blue color scheme. There are bound to be some specific point when the color changes from purple to red, or purple to blue. The time in question would be different depending on the circumstances and time, but that point exist.

I'm so sorry to hear it happening to you, though. And the same for [MENTION=5297]Neverwhere[/MENTION] and [MENTION=6917]sprinkles[/MENTION]. *hugs all of you*

 

[Trifoilum]

@chulo

THANK YOU.

I'd friggin hate to live in the states. I think in your country shit does get over diagnosed and the DSM has reached ridiculous levels. I got so angry because just because there are elements of this going on, your reducing and generalising because of it is innacurate and damaging.

I just read and watched a lecture about this-- it's pretty complex....
the sad thing is that the point when goodwill ends and business begins can really be very blurry when it's a personal case. >_<

CPTSD isn't so much communication either. It leads to problems communicating, which is difficult but no way is it caused my problem communicating.

AH!

I also disagree with what you said abouti these being "modern problems". Just because in recent decades we've been able to come up with names for certain clusters of symptoms does not mean they are new problems.

I agree that some doctors can be too quick to prescribe meds -- I suppose its different in America to what it is here. Where diagnoses like these take years to happen.
I think

This, yes. It's highly possible these sort of disorders exists before modern times...but I may be imagining things.
It's just, they don't get diagnosed and labeled. Then the treatment gets pretty vague.
God's blessing? Miracles from priests? Locked in the attic?
Or you simply don't function well and suffer and die, to put it bluntly. :|

Then times move on, you either put a mask and keep your freak side hidden, or you got put into an asylum for...whatever reason. >_>;
In some way of looking, having names to call our demons is helpful. Of course, I'm not saying those aren't misused either...

I'm sure you can see why I am having such a hard time understanding, perhaps you could clairify. What does it look like to be so normal that you suffer from it. In my mind I imagine a line representing normality. Where are the healthy normal people at? I even attached a badly made picture for reference.

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The implicit assumption working here is that there are certain images that is (socially) required for people to be judged as 'sane'.
Sometimes certain people can mimic that imagery very well. Think (on a different case), Patrick Bateman. Completely wacko and sociopathic. But from an outsider's point of view, I can see them being 'normal', even 'successful'.

I didn't say they suffer from being more normal than average. I said "many people with BPD appear to be more "normal" than average". From what I understand, it seems these people can appear more normal than average, especially in the earlier stages of the disorder.

They often uphold an image but when they get alone they "deflate" and feel exhausted. This is where much of the trauma comes from.

Also, I think there is another misunderstanding. I've been talking about BPD this whole time. I said in my first post I'm not familiar with C-PTSD.

Now the interesting thing is-- whether the deflation and exhaustion is form of the symptoms, or the aftereffects?

 

[Trifoilum]

Huh. I think my mom may have this. I've suspected she might have BPD, but C-PTSD might fit the bill better.

Funny timing with this thread popping up, too... Just last night, I tried to talk to my mom—who insists she's "better" and only gets upset when her psycho sugar daddy "makes" her upset—and tell her she needed to get help. I had told her a week ago about a local clinic I found, where you can get therapy sessions with graduate students for only $10 an hour. She couldn't use money as an excuse for refusing to go; she spends more money than that when she goes on her daily shopping sprees. But she refused to go, saying she was "over it."

Ugh, that's totally horrible. I'm sorry it happened to her and you're dealing with the fallout now.
That touches a certain other dimension of this disorder though; the stigma.
I mean, what's the difference between C-PTSD and 'your ordinary troubles' ? For some people, -especially- when you've dealt with your own share of troubles and problems, it's hard to see the defining lines. As time went by and you learned how to 'manage' the dealings, you think you got it under control. While the real cause gets untreated and exacerbating....

And when I told her yesterday that if she didn't try to help herself, she couldn't expect me to help her later in life when she had no job and no man to depend on... She blew up and guilt tripped me, saying she wouldn't dream of asking family for help, because she learned years ago how much they cared.

The thing that pisses me off the most is that she's right. Is this the kind of continuous trauma that causes C-PTSD? Her parents neglected her, her dad attempted to rape her when she was 15 and she was in a situation where she couldn't tell anyone, her dad was also bipolar (and maybe a bit schizophrenic too?) and ruled the whole family with an iron fist, guys took advantage of her emotionally weak state, she got pregnant when she was 19, and her parents verbally abused her during and after the pregnancy because she "shamed" the family. Then when she met my dad a few years later and they got married, he started to realize how emotionally needy she was. Being a very aloof ISTJ with a need for personal space, he felt overwhelmed. And instead of reacting with concern that the woman he loved was sick, from what I gather he immediately regretted marrying a psycho. So the emotional neglect continued. Then they had financial difficulties and moved in with her parents, compounding her issues. At some point my dad's treatment of her became justifiable, as she spiraled out of control and became an abusive mother. But where do you draw the line?

....From what I simply read, that could surely be more than enough cause for C-PTSD to happen and grow. Especially that similar cycles and themes appeared a lot of times, with a lot of people, under a lot of (from outside) different situation.

I don't blame my sister for disowning her. She got the worst of the abuse. And some days I hate my mom for screwing up my life so much. But at the same time, I think I'm the only one in my family who realizes how appalling it is that my grandparents and my dad let her go so long without getting help. They just told her she was crazy and threatened to take the kids away from her, which of course made her worse. And now I'm in a horrible situation, because for my own sanity, I really need to get away from my mom (I still live with her and and my dad). But as soon as my brother graduates I'm sure my dad will kick her out, and no one else is going to take responsibility for her.

She won't help herself, she takes no responsibility for her actions, and she continues to make the same mistakes over and over.

...That's horrible. I'm sorry to hear it. Just...that. *hugs*
The issue of ethics can be quite complex, I'll be honest and say that I don't dare delve under this for a while. What I can see from the outside is that while she may have a fucked up life, she's not exactly innocent either; that as broken as she is, she hurt you and your siblings....and that in itself sounds wrong.

What I would really like to know, if anyone is knowledgeable enough on this condition to answer, is: at what point can someone not be held accountable for their life choices, and at what point are they just digging their own hole? How can I decide if I should condemn my mom to a horrible fate she made for herself, or attempt to rectify her years of neglect at the cost of my own well being?

My quick response is that I feel those are false dichotomies; namely that you don't need to pick one over the other.

I would personally leave her to her own devices. At most, what I'll do is to talk to her directly, voice your suspicion, give her the info regarding this syndrome, and how to treat them, and places for therapy. If she refuses to take it, or if she thinks she doesn't have the disorder in question I doubt your pushing her will benefit much...

I'm sorry if this is straying too much from the topic. I just, agh... I don't know what to do, and reading about this disorder seemed to shed some light on my mom's problems.

That's really alright. Hopefully the talk here helps you. >_< *hugs*

 

[sprinkles]

That's interesting. I still got tons of readings to do (AIEEE), can you tell me a bit about DDNOS?

DDNOS is kind of a catch all for a dissociative disorder that does not fit into other types. It is sometimes comorbid with C-PTSD. I'd get periods where I felt detached from reality and everything appeared hazy and unreal, or dreamlike. Some times I'd feel like I've had a stroke or have been doped up even though no such thing happened - brain feels cloudy and dizzy and buzzing. I'd also end up in strange places with no idea of how I got there, it's just like bam "I'm here, but where the hell did the past few hours of my life go?"

I'm mostly healed from it now but still get times once in a while where I'm triggered by stressful situations or things that are too similar to past situations.

 

[Trifoilum]

Another thing I'd like to talk about is stigma and....portrayal.

Compared to PTSD (or to a different degree, BPD), C-PTSD is relatively unknown.

Do you think there are stigmas related to people with C-PTSD? Can stigmas previously associated with PTSD applicable to people with C-PTSD as well?

What about media portrayals? Do you think there have been positive cultural depiction and/or representations of people with C-PTSD, BPD, or at least people with similar symptoms?
(Not exactly situations, though; depictions of people living in abusive situations are pretty common nowadays.*