Thanks. Like I said, it has been a good while since I've read about these things but it is certainly interesting. I do wonder though, assuming this is true, when these people are told that they don't actually have authority. I assume most people study law or join the police unaware of these distinctions. At what point in their training/career are they informed that a court is a 'ship of admirality' and that answering questions equates to surrender?
Most of "police" don't know this stuff--all of them know just enough to stay out of trouble with the average soul--since the average soul is a slave and doesn't know this stuff. They've been given rules to follow which allows them to stay within 'corporate boundaries'. All, so-called 'judges' know this stuff. And one of the first things taught in so-called 'law school' is that no one can own a 'name'. So, yeah, they know. And, btw, so-called 'law school' teaches so-called 'case law', which, is NOT actually law. One of my friendly-acquaintances was an 'attorney' in Vegas for nearly 3 decades. He didn't know about any of the stuff I wrote in other posts here in this group. In-fact, he mocked me. And when his son 'out of nowhere' learned how to get out of his drug charges, that friendly-acquaintance wasn't mocking me anymore.
It's easy to win in so-called 'court' though, jurisdiction can be challenged at any time, even on appeal. I never surrender jurisdiction, but for those whom I've helped, it's easy to challenge jurisdiction even when damage has already been done:
"'Jurisdiction can be challenged at any time,' and 'jurisdiction, once challenged, cannot be assumed and must be decided.'"
--Basso v Utah Power & Light Co., 395 F2nd 906,910
"Defense of lack of jurisdiction over the subject matter may be raised at any time, even on appeal."
--Hill Top Developers v Holiday Pine Service Corp., 478 So. 2D, 368 Fla a DCA (1985)
"[H]owever late this objection [to jurisdiction] has been made, or may be made in any cause, in an inferior or appellate court of the United States, it must be considered and decided, BEFORE any court can move ONE STEP FURTHER IN THE CAUSE; as any movement is necessarily the exercise of jurisdiction."
--Rhode Island Massachusetts, 37 U.S. 657, 718, 9 L. Ed. 1233 (1838) [emphasis NOT mine]
"Once challenged, jurisdiction cannot be assumed, it must be proved to exist."
--Stuck v Medical Examiners, 94 Ca 2d 751.21 P2d 289
"There is no discretion to ignore the lack of jurisdiction."
--Joyce v US, 474 F2d 215
"Where jurisdiction is contested, the burden of establishing it rests upon the plaintiff."
--Loos v American Energy Savers, Inc., 168 I11. App. 3d 558, 522 N.E. 2d 841 (1988)
"The burden of proving jurisdiction rests upon the party asserting it."
--Bindell v City of Harvey, 212 Ill. App. 3d 1042, 571 N.E. 2d 1017 (1st Dist. 1991)
"Court must prove on the record, all jurisdiction facts related to the jurisdiction asserted."
--Lantana v Hopper, 102 F 2d 188; Chicago v New York 37 F Supp. 150
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Just keep your jurisdiction and you win. Run your mouth or provide any information at all, you lose. You MUST refuse (even in contempt) to produce.
Ask the so-called "Judge" (if you made the mistake of entering their ship of admiralty in the first-place) if he or she claims to have jurisdiction over you. If he or she says "yes"
or anything to that effect, say, "Can you prove it?" You must absolutely refuse to provide any information whatsoever. * drum roll.......* You Win! :-D
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“...he was not a citizen of the United States, he was a citizen and voter of the State,...” “One may be a citizen of a State and yet not a citizen of the United States”.
McDonel v. The State, 90 Ind. 320 (1883)
“That there is a citizenship of the United States and citizenship of a state,...”
Tashiro v. Jordan, 201 Cal. 236 (1927)
"A citizen of the United States is a citizen of the federal government ..."
Kitchens v. Steele, 112 F.Supp 383
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"The only absolute and unqualified right of a United States citizen is to residence within the territorial boundaries of the United States."
Supreme Court: US vs. Valentine 288 F. Supp. 957:
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"The privileges and immunities clause of the 14th Amendment protects very few rights because it neither incorporates the Bill of Rights, nor protects all rights of individual citizens. Instead this provision protects only those rights peculiar to being a citizen of the federal government; it does not protect those rights which relate to state citizenship."
Supreme Court: Jones v. Temmer, 89 F. Supp 1226:
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"the term 'citizen' in the United States, is analogous to the term `subject' in common law; the change of phrase has resulted from the change in government."
State v. Manuel, 20 NC 122
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The Amendment (14th) recognized that "an individual can be a Citizen of one of the several states without being a citizen of the United States," (U.S. v. Anthony, 24 Fed. Cas. 829, 830), or, "a citizen of the United States without being a Citizen of a state." (Slaughter-House Cases, supra; cf. U.S. v. Cruikshank, 92 US 542, 549 (1875)). And in a more recent case: Crosse v. Bd. of Supervisors, 221 A.2d 431 (1966) which says: "Both before and after the Fourteenth Amendment to the federal Constitution, it has not been necessary for a person to be a citizen of the United States in order to be a citizen of his state." Citing U.S. v. Cruikshank, supra.
"There are, then, under our republican form of government, two classes of citizens, one of the United States and one of the state".
Gardina v. Board of Registrars of Jefferson County, 160 Ala. 155; 48 So. 788 (1909)
"The governments of the United States and of each state of the several states are distinct from one another. The rights of a citizen under one may be quite different from those which he has under the other".
Colgate v. Harvey, 296 U.S. 404; 56 S.Ct. 252 (1935)
"...rights of national citizenship as distinct from the fundamental or natural rights inherent in state citizenship".
Madden v. Kentucky, 309 U.S. 83: 84 L.Ed. 590 (1940)
"There is a difference between privileges and immunities belonging to the citizens of the United States as such, and those belonging to the citizens of each state as such".
Ruhstrat v. People, 57 N.E. 41 (1900)
"Therefore, the U.S. citizens residing in one of the states of the union, are classified as
property and franchises of the federal government as an "individual entity"".
Wheeling Steel Corp. v. Fox, 298 U.S. 193, 80 L.Ed. 1143, 56 S.Ct. 773 [emphasis mine]
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"Every course of life is to be tried by this test and judged by this standard – the Bible alone." Hale v. Everett (1868)
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"The individual, unlike the corporation, cannot be taxed for the mere privilege of existing. The corporation is an artificial entity which owes its existence and charter powers to the State; but the individuals rights to live and own property are NATURAL RIGHTS for the enjoyment of which an EXCISE cannot be imposed."
Redfield v Fisher, 292 P. 813, 819 <<< Natural Rights are a matter of Natural Law.
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Some Supreme Court Decisions:
“Congress has taxed income not compensation." Conner v United States 303 F. Supp. 1187 (1969)
“Compensation for labor can not be regarded as profit within the meaning of the law. “ The word ‘profit’ as ordinarily used, means the 'gain’ made upon any business or investment -- a different thing altogether from mere compensation for labor." Oliver v Halstead. 86 S. E. 2 d. 858, 196 Va. 992 (1955)
[Thus the reason I don't pay taxes]
Earning a living is a protected RIGHT!
"The court has flatly rejected the imposition of a tax upon a right secured by the Bill of Rights." ... "A State may not impose a charge for the enjoyment of a Right" Murdock v Pennsylvania 319 US 105, 113 (1943)
"Taxpayers are not [de jure] State Citizens." Belmont v. Town of Gulfport, 122 So. 10. [<<< because anyone who pays taxes is a slave. And a 'citizen' is a 'subject', and therefore not a Master (Sovereign).]
" Since corrupt people unite amongst themselves to constitute a force,
then honest people must do the same " - 'Count' Leo N. Tolstoy