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[sprinkles]

Why isn't anyone here arguing about the overly inflated military budget?

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What do those countries on the lower ed or off the list offer? Heathcare, education, labor unions. What do we offer with our huge military expense? The opportunity to recruit our "next generations" to blow up non-white people. What do we create? An entire "lost generation" that's convinced a huge military is the ONLY military and criticizes other countries that decided to spend that money on public policies. Even Eisenhower warned about the dangers of a prolonged, established, industrial military complex. A lot of people even have shown some valid evidence the JFK was assassinated, in part, due to his stance against the military.

As long as we have this bloated, life-sucking, money-pit of a military existing, any talk of any productive programs outside of that scope are moot; the money isn't and will never be there. Get rid of the military and the first thing we're going to need is a boost to the public education system to re-educate all the brain-dead, trigger happy zombies we created to fire a weapon right out of high school. Let the next generation reap the benefits of their newly acquired education to start studying needed fields that fill the voids we've created. Then, implement the Universal Healthcare system with the educational foundation firmly in place to support it.

If we tried this in our current state, all Hell would break loose. Millions would be unemployed with no opportunity to get a decent education in place of their military training.

People who live off of fast food because no policies or budgets are in place to keep those corporations in check or enforce any FDA/USDA regulations, would flood the "Free Healthcare" system. One of the few things America ranks high in is heart disease and poor health. We've spent almost no money in preventing poor health and educating people, so any healthcare system we create at the moment, will surely be inundated with the ignorant victims that are wandering out there.

We can't just start a healthcare system of any kind without first, fixing the other problems that we have created over the past 60 years.

The US military wants to be able to be anywhere at any time. This is evidenced by our aircraft carriers. We have ten nuclear aircraft carriers in service. France has one. Guess how many other countries have nuclear carriers? None.

As for conventional carriers:
Brazil: 1
China: 1
France: 3
India: 3
Italy: 2
Japan: 2
Russia: 1
South Korea: 1
Spain: 1
Thailand: 1
UK: 2
US: 9

 

[muir]

The US military wants to be able to be anywhere at any time. This is evidenced by our aircraft carriers. We have ten nuclear aircraft carriers in service. France has one. Guess how many other countries have nuclear carriers? None.

As for conventional carriers:
Brazil: 1
China: 1
France: 3
India: 3
Italy: 2
Japan: 2
Russia: 1
South Korea: 1
Spain: 1
Thailand: 1
UK: 2
US: 9

Yes so taking this line of thought forward to the next step: why do you think the US is doing that?

 

[sprinkles]

Yes so taking this line of thought forward to the next step: why do you think the US is doing that?

From what I've heard about proponents to keep the aircraft carriers and stuff around rather than reducing them, it's for being a global political power. It's called "gunboat diplomacy" - the ability to make demands and back it up basically. They like the fact that carriers are floating bases and that few others have them, and not only does the US have the most, we have the largest as well, able to carry up to 80 planes each I think.

 

[Stu]

that centralized power creates genocides and famines

That is absolutely true, but you stated that the establishment of socialism, (and by extension any social welfare policy) demands mass murder. This is a moronic precept. I can only imagine that you are either very secure in some bureaucratic protected position that does not require much in the way of production and has no threat of being downsized, or you are a raving maniac, living on cans of catfood.

 

[Skarekrow]

That is absolutely true, but you stated that the establishment of socialism, (and by extension any social welfare policy) demands mass murder. This is a moronic precept. I can only imagine that you are either very secure in some bureaucratic protected position that does not require much in the way of production and has no threat of being downsized, or you are a raving maniac, living on cans of catfood.

ROFL

 

[Skarekrow]

@problemz

Actually....that is a a very fair representation of Capitalism in the pyramid I put up.
But you have been watching Faux News too much man.

I can throw graphs up all day showing you how the Pyramid of Capitalism is correct -

It’s far too easy...here’s one from Harvard Business School

I am NOT advocating for a socialist government @problemz, but what we have right now as far as wealth inequality and class warfare will inevitably cause more strife and violence within the US than the implementation of the Affordable Care Act.
Funny how they never talk about wealth inequality on Faux News....they pass it off like it is just something made up, and then turn it around to seem that the working class and the working poor are the ones conducting the class warfare....lolol....it’s fucking laughable. And yet I don’t laugh, because it’s comparable to laughing at the retarded kid...you just feel bad.
Speaking of working class and working poor.....how the FUCK did “working class” get turned into “middle class” do you think? Hmmmmm?
“Throw those poor working POS a bone and help make them think they aren’t just serfs”. - Said someone in the Reagan administration.
Give me a break.

@Lerxst

You must have missed where I was talking about how much our military costs us and how easily we could pay for healthcare if we so wanted to....but, take a look at the wealth distribution graphs and you can figure out who is calling the shots....I threw up a link for a counter...couldn’t get it to imbed...anyway...here it is again -

http://nationalpriorities.org/cost-of/

 

[Skarekrow]

[MENTION=4235]problemz[/MENTION]

You start talking about wealth inequality and all of the sudden BAM! - Fox News starts talking about Socialism...what a bunch of bullshit.

Don’t let your own views of morality prevent you from doing the right thing.

 

[bamf]

Also, Mexico. Since they have already invaded us, we might as well return the fay-vor...

LOLOLOLOL I really hope that you're a history professor! I would have found your class to be hilarious.
"Remember that time France invaded Paris and stole it from the Germans?"

 

[Vicarious]

For what it's worth, problemz asked for the opinion of another nurse or a doctor on this whole clusterfuck...and while I am just a measly nursing student, I have worked with hospital admitting and billing for over 10 years and pretty damn near everything that Skarekrow has said is spot on. I don't think there is really anything else I could add, other than I noticed that you believe that EMTALA requires the ER to treat you for free. So completely wrong. The law was put in place to prevent hospitals from dumping patients who had no way to pay, but all they have to do is stabilize you...and it is most certainly NOT free. You will be billed and it doesn't magically disappear. It will be turned over to a collection agency and will be reflected on your credit report. Sometimes hospitals offer some charity care, but due to the influx of self pay patients and rising costs, most hospitals are not able to afford to continue to eat these costs. The hospital my mom works for is circling the drain as we speak. Also, ER's are NOT meant to be used as primary care clinics...yet people do because no regular clinics will accept them without insurance. This is obviously a huge issue. The more people using the ER for the "free" care, the more money the hospital has to eat or charge for services, which eventually causes insurance premiums to rise...so guess who is actually paying for all of that "free" ER care?

 

[muir]

From what I've heard about proponents to keep the aircraft carriers and stuff around rather than reducing them, it's for being a global political power. It's called "gunboat diplomacy" - the ability to make demands and back it up basically. They like the fact that carriers are floating bases and that few others have them, and not only does the US have the most, we have the largest as well, able to carry up to 80 planes each I think.

Yes absolutely it is a stick to threaten others with

If you look at how our consumerist society is structured it is incredibly wasteful. Much of this waste is composed of things produced by the petro-chemical industry for example plastics

So a consumer society built around oil has been created where people borrow money to buy the things that then get wasted

Where does the money come from? It is lent by the big banks which are controlled by a handful of powerful familes

The oil comes from the big 4 oil companies which are controlled by THE VERY SAME FAMILIES who lend people the money to by the products derived from oil!!!!!

To get all this oil which is then squandered we have to go and steal it or force it from others at rock bottom prices at gunpoint which is what we need all the military hardwear for

And guess which familes are involved in manufacturing the military hardware? The same ones that control the big 4 banks and the big 4 oil companies!!

This is the crux of the problem.....our war economy built on waste, consumerism and debt

We have to get to grips with this problem and the people behind it and then we can realistically start looking at sharing the resources around in a way that will provide for everyone

But it will not happen until power is taken off these mafia families. Obama care is just another scheme of theirs

The families behind the federal reserve and the big 4 oil companies and the big 4 banks:

 

[the]

Since ACA is supposed to be in effect by now, ill tell you how its going. I can't afford the $250 a month or the $100 punishment fee for not having insurance. I still think its a good idea but it has been a bad execution. The end.

 

[Stu]

Since ACA is supposed to be in effect by now, ill tell you how its going. I can't afford the $250 a month or the $100 punishment fee for not having insurance. I still think its a good idea but it has been a bad execution. The end.

your are not eligible for medicare? I thought you were unemployed for most of 2013

 

[Nixie]

Were you military? Doesn't the VA cover you?

 

[the]

Were you military? Doesn't the VA cover you?

I get discounted care if I can drive an hour to chicago which is the nearest VA to me. So far the one time I went I was misdiagnosed and charged $150 for no reason. I refused to pay so it came out of my taxes. There was no escaping the money collecter. Also I get zero dental coverage.

 

[the]

your are not eligible for medicare? I thought you were unemployed for most of 2013

I have no idea how that works and since I'm not sick I haven't looked into it.

 

[Stu]

I have no idea how that works and since I'm not sick I haven't looked into it.

Oh, in that case......um......maybe you should look into it, unless you fear the UN is gonna take your guns if you do.

 

[the]

Oh, in that case......um......maybe you should look into it, unless you fear the UN is gonna take your guns if you do.

Can't. Too paralyzed by fear.

 

[Stu]

when you pay the fine, can you send me a benji as well, just for fun?

 

[the]

when you pay the fine, can you send me a benji as well, just for fun?

A dog?

 

[sprinkles]

Yes absolutely it is a stick to threaten others with

If you look at how our consumerist society is structured it is incredibly wasteful. Much of this waste is composed of things produced by the petro-chemical industry for example plastics

So a consumer society built around oil has been created where people borrow money to buy the things that then get wasted

Where does the money come from? It is lent by the big banks which are controlled by a handful of powerful familes

The oil comes from the big 4 oil companies which are controlled by THE VERY SAME FAMILIES who lend people the money to by the products derived from oil!!!!!

To get all this oil which is then squandered we have to go and steal it or force it from others at rock bottom prices at gunpoint which is what we need all the military hardwear for

And guess which familes are involved in manufacturing the military hardware? The same ones that control the big 4 banks and the big 4 oil companies!!

This is the crux of the problem.....our war economy built on waste, consumerism and debt

We have to get to grips with this problem and the people behind it and then we can realistically start looking at sharing the resources around in a way that will provide for everyone

But it will not happen until power is taken off these mafia families. Obama care is just another scheme of theirs

The families behind the federal reserve and the big 4 oil companies and the big 4 banks:

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That's true except the stealing part. The military technically doesn't steal the oil. It just makes sure that those who have it won't corner the market in their favor, e.g. by changing the oil trade currency, or embargoing it. It's more like racketeering than theft - they attempt to "make an offer you can't refuse."