How many more children need to die before the USA can have gun control?

Wyote said:
Colorado was an early adopter of more regulations in schools to keep them safe.
Since then we have had no mass shootings in schools, but we have had a mass shooting in a movie theater, church, downtown area streets, a home, and a grocery store.

So you can congratulate your state for getting their shit together early at schools, but it's only a matter of time before it occurs elsewhere.
Unless your idea is to make Utah a utopian prison, where everywhere you go has full body scans and swat teams.

Culture does shape a lot of things and figuring out the source of problems within is the most critical aspect of course.
But when you can casually go to a nearby store, pick up a gun with a huge magazine and a surplus of ammo on a whim, it's just going to make this kind of thing easier and happen more.
There will always be unstable humans.
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I'm fine with having more security places, scanning for weapons, metal detectors. These should be standard safety implementations.
 
The culture and people of Utah are too preoccupied with online pornography to be bothered with mass shootings. :P

Cheers,
Ian
 
slant said:
I'm fine with having more security places, scanning for weapons, metal detectors. These should be standard safety implementations.
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In many ways I'm on board with you, but I do worry about the line being moved more and more
 
Wyote said:
In many ways I'm on board with you, but I do worry about the line being moved more and more
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Mostly, I just think the fact that Utah hasn't had as much of an issue with this and the widespread of guns is an interesting case study and counterpoint to make to people who feel that the presence of guns itself is what increases the chances of these shootings.

Utah's culture, while having inherent flaws, does have a lot of regulatory advantages that helps to prevent these situations. We definitely have violence in the form of husbands killing their wives and families, but we don't have as much stranger murder happening here.

I think a mass case study should be done regarding guns on how they were obtained by mass shooters and if they were obtained in ways that weren't necessarily fully in compliance with the law or if the laws themselves are the issue. In addition to that I want to see how many times in these mass shootings there were behavioral changes from the shooter, threats made beforehand. I am l support some amount of gun control but I also feel like there are other things we can do on a societal level to help, and guns become the main issue when it is just one aspect.

For example, what if we criminally prosecuted the parents of these children when the weapon was obtained from home as well as for neglect and being an accomplice if it can be proven that the parents knew of their child's behavioral issues and did nothing? What if we could charge anyone who saw social media posts made by a shooter making threats and didn't report it with some amount of responsibility?

Here, there is a huge social culture for "if you see something, say something," and it's what helps to prevent these things, not the absence of guns.
 
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This video pretty much describes what most authoritarian suburban commandos that cosplay as cops to the tune of 40% of the city budget that sat back with a thumb up their asses while people died. In fact it took an off duty border patrol office to end it while the suburban commandos were too busy beating parents up. Cops like this are only there to terrorize the poor and the lower middle class over petty offenses.


40% of the city budget.

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slant said:
I'm fine with having more security places, scanning for weapons, metal detectors. These should be standard safety implementations.
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I honestly don't mind there be some form of castle doctrine being extended to public places so long that it is legal and allows law abiding people to defend themselves as well others in the event of an attack so things like this wouldn't happen.
 
Roses In The Vineyard said:
Cops like this are only there to terrorize the poor and the lower middle class over petty offenses.
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FTFY. They are the law-sanctioned, publicly-funded coercive force of the wealth-and-investor class, operating with qualified immunity, upholding traditional punitive judgments based on race, ethnicity, sex, and class.

Remember, don’t be poor. :rolleyes:

Show Me Your Hands!,
Ian
 
David Nelson said:
Probably the greatest reason for these shootings is a very dysfunctional and unequal society. People with little or no hope do desperate things.
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That sounds like trying to hitch bigger gripes about society to particular tragedies.

While the gripe you mention needs to be addressed, it doesn't seem right to connect pet topics with tragedies. It just seems dishonest.

Racists do it when someone of an ethnicity commits a crime, sexists do it when someone of a particular sex commits a crime or has driver/pilot error, communists do it when a poor person commits a crime, and elitists do it when someone commits a crime against a high status person. It's all anecdotal fallacy.
 
larry806q said:
The current NRA is effectively bankrupt.
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You're missing my point and also you don't understand how large organizations work I guess
 
Roses In The Vineyard said:
Yea that mindset is very common with those who've came of age back when gas was only 80 cents a gallon and a pack of Marlboros wasn't anymore expensive.
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Riding high off the vapors of the post-WW2 economic boom, when from 1946-1963 the top-tier tax rate was 91%, the middle class was created, and the nation experienced growth like it had never seen. That rate ended in 1964, and the era of hope for the future officially ended in 1971.

From 1946-1963, there were 30 school shootings in the United States.

Cheers,
Ian
 
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