INFJ predisposition to ethno-nationalism?

Flavus Aquila said:
Fe wants harmony... aka conformity that's not something I'm interested in because it's stagnant and resists improvement... it's fundamentally conservative, despite token gestures for token minorities.
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Do you actually believe harmony is synonymous with conformity? I ask this because I believe harmony to be positive through and through, but I don't feel the same about conformity.
 
invisible said:
No, the above text was my response to later developments than that. Hope this clears it up. And yes, I am certain that the hatred and intolerance was coming from the OP and not me.
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I cannot know the inner workings of others, so if you believe it was not projection, I will respect that belief.

SkipINFJ said:
Do you actually believe harmony is synonymous with conformity? I ask this because I believe harmony to be positive through and through, but I don't feel the same about conformity.
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They are similar things, differentiated by the willingness of the participants. Regardless, it creates inertia when people feel obligated/committed to groupthink because only individuals have intelligence and the ability to reevaluate... "groupthink" is both blind and stupid, unless it is determined by an actual human person/leader.
 
Flavus Aquila said:
I cannot know the inner workings of others, so if you believe it was not projection, I will respect that belief.


They are similar things, differentiated by the willingness of the participants. Regardless, it creates inertia when people feel obligated/committed to groupthink because only individuals have intelligence and the ability to reevaluate... "groupthink" is both blind and stupid, unless it is determined by an actual human person/leader.
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Understood.
 
the said:
I think you are espousing racism which isn't going to go over well here.
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Really? Since I've been back I've noticed the politics subforum may as well have been copied straight from Stormfront. Though maybe that's just more indicative of the political landscape right now.
 
88chaz88 said:
Really? Since I've been back I've noticed the politics subforum may as well have been copied straight from Stormfront. Though maybe that's just more indicative of the political landscape right now.
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Did you notice any threads where someone asserted whites should have America as their own country and the regulars here went along with it?
 
acd said:
Nope. Because of 1-2 posters maybe?
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It's exactly two posters, but there's a whole bunch of folk that take them so seriously each thread goes on for 10+ pages with every other post filled with pro-nationalist sockpuppeting.
 
the said:
Did you notice any threads where someone asserted whites should have America as their own country and the regulars here went along with it?
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Like obviously I was exaggerating comparing this place to Stormfront, but just because nobody here is as overt as to say whites should have their own America, there are certainly two white nationalists here and they post a whole fucking lot.

Racism is fine here.
 
88chaz88 said:
Like obviously I was exaggerating comparing this place to Stormfront, but just because nobody here is as overt as to say whites should have their own America, there are certainly two white nationalists here and they post a whole fucking lot.

Racism is fine here.
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Somehow that has gotten past me. Who are the two white nationalists?
 
88chaz88 said:
Like obviously I was exaggerating comparing this place to Stormfront, but just because nobody here is as overt as to say whites should have their own America, there are certainly two white nationalists here and they post a whole fucking lot.

Racism is fine here.
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No it's not. This isn't a place that's comfortable with racists and doesnt' deserve at all the exaggeration or comparison to stormfront. You've got to be kidding me, seriously. I can't even take you seriously now.

Neither one of those posters are white nationalists.

Everyone's political opinions are welcome here.

You can be a nationalist and not be a white nationalist.
 
88chaz88 said:
Like obviously I was exaggerating comparing this place to Stormfront, but just because nobody here is as overt as to say whites should have their own America, there are certainly two white nationalists here and they post a whole fucking lot.

Racism is fine here.
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I don't think it's seen as fine here. But I do think that some particular voices here are really dominating lately. And I think they should go to forums that are more relevant to their types and interests. But what am I supposed to do about it? Tell them to fuck off?
 
I wish there were more white nationalists, and other dissenting opinions here. I wonder what type of mbti forum those type of views would be accepted and normalized.
 
CindyLou said:
No it's not.
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CindyLou said:
Everyone's political opinions are welcome here.
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Pick one.

Either white nationalism or plain racism isn't fine, or everyone's political opinions are welcome.

Like if folk were simply right-leaning I wouldn't have a problem. In fact the fact they both make up half of the replies to their own threads I find pretty laughable. But you guys do like to sugarcoat things and give the benefit of doubt far too often, those two aren't just conservative.

And nationalism and white nationalism are the same. They come from the same place, are angry at the same things, and have the same impact.
 
88chaz88 said:
Sure, why not?
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Because it's antisocial forum behaviour and I would deserve to be infracted?

I do think you've got a point about the current political climate. Considering that Trump has policy that amounts to excluding people from the USA on the basis of race. So yeah... I do agree that people who support that policy are racist. I've already said so though. I wish I had the energy to repeat myself more but I don't believe in my ability to achieve anything here. I guess if you're back you're welcome to do your best.
 
Like I just found the statement I originally quoted amusing, that's all. The fact that the folk in question need to mask their beliefs as an over obsession with Islamic attacks in the west, over concern about immigration, and a ton of confirmation bias and double standards to boot is a good thing.
 
invisible said:
Because it's antisocial forum behaviour and I would deserve to be infracted?

I do think you've got a point about the current political climate. Considering that Trump has policy that amounts to excluding people from the USA on the basis of race. So yeah... I do agree that people who support that policy are racist. I've already said so though. I wish I had the energy to repeat myself more but I don't believe in my ability to achieve anything here. I guess if you're back you're welcome to do your best.
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That's your 9001st message milestone. I'd have sent you a rep comment with "it's over nine thousand!" if we still had them. You'll have to do with a like and this instead.
 
88chaz88 said:
Pick one.

Either white nationalism or plain racism isn't fine, or everyone's political opinions are welcome.

Like if folk were simply right-leaning I wouldn't have a problem. In fact the fact they both make up half of the replies to their own threads I find pretty laughable. But you guys do like to sugarcoat things and give the benefit of doubt far too often, those two aren't just conservative.

And nationalism and white nationalism are the same. They come from the same place, are angry at the same things, and have the same impact.
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Everyone's political opinions are welcome if they aren't breaking the rules and by saying that I mean that the forum doesn't condone or is fine with racism because it tolerates two posters who don't construct posts that are racist.

I'm guilty of both sugarcoating and giving the benefit of the doubt far too often though, I agree with that.
 
88chaz88 said:
Like obviously I was exaggerating comparing this place to Stormfront, but just because nobody here is as overt as to say whites should have their own America, there are certainly two white nationalists here and they post a whole fucking lot.

Racism is fine here.
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I've said it before, and I'll say it again, the politics forum over here is child's play.

Nobody in the politics forum has particularly stood out, save for Event Horizon. (He's not competent, I don't pay much attention to him).

Brightmoon stands out as knowledgeable, although our opinions may differ here and there.

If you think this forum notably tolerates racism, (obviously it doesn't) , then you should proverbially 'get out' more, and take a look around the rest of the internet.

My "home" forum is home to the .MIL, Air Force, and 'spook' types.

I've been a member since 2012.
Not been there since last month when I called them out on their Aryan race supremacy, which has always been their covert agenda, but since the election of Trump, they decided that it was time to make it overt.

The Pentagon is ran by American Security Council Fascists. And most of the forces are their loyal lap dogs.

Get with the times, there are bigger fish to fry.
 
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