A couple of thoughts...
Forgive any poor typing as I am once again house and dogsitting and using the IPad again...though I do have a small portable keyboard this time which is much nicer!
Anyhow.
We are all suffering far too much, and unnecessarily...when in reality we are not presently suffering, but suffering twice, thrice, a thousand times, because we are telling ourselves stories in our heads.
We are creating so much negative momentum it could almost preclude our every waking moment.
If there was ever any reason to practice being present in a meditative or non-meditative form, but as way of being, it should be to lessen the suffering that we humans fear and run from (fairly constantly) - or play the martyr to.
As an INFJ and probably most INxJ types I would imagine (correct me if you think otherwise?), IMHO we prone to overly playing out every scenario in our heads for just about every situation be it in past, present, or the future.
Of course there are advantages to this type of thinking and reasoning...but it can also lead to self-criticism, catastrophizing, reliving trauma, projecting negative expectations onto the future and then suffering from this moment in time that has yet to arrive - you are suffering multiple times over for a scenario that may or may not even happen in a negative way.
Though I also feel that if you expect that to be the result then you will steer your path into the ditch by those expectations alone.
Of course it's all easier said than done...I am constantly trying to remain present...it's getting easier with time and practice at least it seems, lol.
Was just thinking...
Life is really a series of it falling to pieces and us doing our best to put things back into working order again...over and over to the best of our abilities and position in life.
When you accept that this is the natural movement of life, then when those moments of life altering, life shattering, loss, or suffering DO occur...I would hope that we could have a better ability to emotionally/spiritually/personally to move through that circumstance and rebound more wholly.
Though there are certain people for sure whom I could never imagine getting over should anything happen to them...and I know there will be a huge hole there one day...I know that that difficult loss will occur in my life and if I ever have anything in my heart that I would call a sincere "fear", it would be the realization of that moment of heartbreak or suffering...fear that it will crush me.
THIS is however exactly of what I am speaking.
This is not the present...this is not reality...for all I know I die first haha.
It's not living in denial to not think of these possibilities...it's understanding that the present is a gift that we need to treasure...it's forever leaving and arriving simultaneously and it's our job to not get lost in th endless mirages of pathways that don't exist.
We end up living most of our lives lost in our heads - which can definitely be an INFJ trait!
Perhaps practicing being present would especially be worthwhile for our MBTI type to learn?
Just some random semi-formed ideas rattling around...
Thanks for reading!
Firstly, I would just like to say @jkxx I have not forgotten your nicely thought out message above ^^^ a few posts back...I will do my best today to tackle it after this (and some meditating?)!
Hope you are well!
_________________________________________________________________________I wanted to expand upon something I said above as it seems quite pessimistic upon a second reading and it requires further explaination.
Yes...life is a series of it falling to pieces again and again...and quite often we lose pieces of ourselves in the process.
This can be a death, a job loss, divorce, health problems, addictions, etc. etc.
(Small and large in size)
It can also be spiritual in nature...like the loss of faith one once held dear and perhaps now feels disillusionment over.
From that chaos though, can come new (and sometimes beautiful) configurations of our "self" and life as we put those pieces back.
Very often, people leave pieces behind for us to use...pieces of wisdom or a cherished memory that helped to shape you in a positive way.
Even loss or suffering, in it's own way, is a piece for us to find a proper and wise place for.
Though at times you wish you could throw those terrible pieces away...forget they exist...you cannot.
They can be looked at as a growth festering...or it can be looked at as a "growth" - a growing of something new.
We are so quick to dismiss something new as something bad...it's somewhere in our hardwiring to help protect us from danger.
Yes, there are pieces that will likely forever cause us some kind of pain or suffering.
Pieces of our innocence ripped out and replaced with fear and want and hatred.
Even those pieces that burn your flesh can cool over time...and with the proper help and work you can change those back into something good again...it is then your responsibility to share some of those transformed bits of yourself with others who need similar help - IMHO that is how we can hopefully one day become fully healed.
Of course the circumstances of life and the wicked intentions of us humans always seems to find a way to completely devastate a person to their core.
This is our failing as a world society, this is the result of unregulated greed and lust for power.
Keep speaking up for what is right.
It's very frustrating to watch "your" sandcastle washed away by a large creeper wave that rolls up the beach even though you thought you were out of it's reach, lol.
It's a bit repetitive to try to recreate the castle you once had...we instead should strive to build it bigger and more intricate each time...each time knowing it is impermanent as well - that is exactly what makes it beautiful and precious.
In order for the sand to stick together you also need the waves to wet the sand.
Much love everyone...I am slowly getting caught up with all that has happened the last 10 days while houseguests were over from the forum!
It was a really awesome meeting of the minds, lol!
Seriously it was as if we were all old friends and we had a great time...now I need to recuperate, lol!
Not a drop of rain the whole time...everything was in bloom, very nice!
Yes! All religions that are "legitimate" have this idea of not so much eliminating suffering completely, but suffering correctly. Experiencing the pain but not attaching yourself or clinging to it and making it your identity. A lot of suffering comes from having expectations of how things should be and being hurt when things don't pan out that way. This leads to negative thought patterns like, "nothing ever works out for me" etc. It's just clinging how we feel things should be. Our will. Desire nothing and have it all! I love you guys!I read what you said like this saying from the Buddha - a lot of your posts have this wisdom buried in them in many different ways. Like @Milktoast Bandit I was thinking how true as I read through it. Especially when times are bad, taking a day at a time is what has been best for me, otherwise I can freeze in the headlights.
I couldn't agree with anything you said any more than I do right now. Take care
I read what you said like this saying from the Buddha - a lot of your posts have this wisdom buried in them in many different ways. Like @Milktoast Bandit I was thinking how true as I read through it. Especially when times are bad, taking a day at a time is what has been best for me, otherwise I can freeze in the headlights.
I'm not very good at loosening my grip though. It isn't easy to let go - it can feel like a betrayal, or a defeat as much as a liberation. All those fears and wants and oughts …... a simple act of will isn't enough *sigh*
On the other hand, we can go a long way by laughing at the tangle we get ourselves into - the hours when I used to lie awake at night when I was still at work worrying about stuff that's been forgotten now for 10, 20, 30 years. Ridiculous waste of time - laugher is the only sensible response.
Yes! All religions that are "legitimate" have this idea of not so much eliminating suffering completely, but suffering correctly. Experiencing the pain but not attaching yourself or clinging to it and making it your identity. A lot of suffering comes from having expectations of how things should be and being hurt when things don't pan out that way. This leads to negative thought patterns like, "nothing ever works out for me" etc. It's just clinging how we feel things should be. Our will. Desire nothing and have it all! I love you guys!
Good rambling though - must have been terrifying to have this happen to you after exhausting all other options and nearly ending up dead (and one can't say "and the universe was trying to send you a message to get off mainstream treatments" either since that's just mean) - but whatever the meaning of it that event, the cardiac arrest led you to explore the alternatives until you found one that works much better.
While the effects on myself were not that acute it's extremely likely the chronic mess up I have to deal with now was caused by antidepressants as it started while I was taking some with the doctors pushing it against my objections - ironically because I warned them it might do just that having done some research on it. When it did they just washed their hands of it, no accountability whatsoever and I had to deal with the mess myself.
Well.. those of us who are empathic will absorb the energy of those close to us and in the case of a young child this will be our parents... if the parents are feeling extreme worry and become depressed we might just vacuum that up from their subconscious and load it into ours - for sure this is indicated in astrology, for example, and is a rather common outcome for the 12th house moon placement particularly, although manifestations can vary - it's just whatever is out there we will be readily and rapidly inundated with this one. Knowing a bunch of people with variations of it they all have this thread in common in their life stories. Can happen to any/all signs so long as the placements are "right".
Indeed it's interesting that we are starting to allow a more holistic approach to medicine with new treatments becoming available and old ones being rediscovered [instead of, "we are the professionals, the only cure can be pharmaceutical, and it must be in this category because we are sure this is how it works and this other stuff is all bunk"] - holistic as in, old drugs off-label use for new conditions such as the K or some others with depression, or some countries taking homeopathy more seriously, or herbal-based formulations becoming cheap and popular or even new ways of understanding what we are going through (astrology, meta-psychic studies along mainstream psychology) so I'm really excited to see the shift however gradual.
I don't doubt many of these off-label treatments have an effect and some may even have as much or more of an effect than some currently established methods. I would find the research of interest so if you like to share anything, go ahead.
(Yes....)
Edit: but it's not just sheer ignorance driving this kind of stuff - a company can make a lot more selling some novel drug which is under patent and not available as a generic and is needed for chronic maintenance vs some of the naturals which would hardly make them any money at all - not that we can treat everything that way, but the "most expensive patented options first" deal is definitely a problem here.
Lol I tend to not really get excited about things that other people get excited about. People may be jumping around, giggling with glee and I'll just be standing there. It's not because whatever is happening does not make me happy or excited but because it too is fleeting. HumbugThanks everyone!
I totally agree with your own responses.
Ah, the sufferings of desire!
What a fun mental tripwire, lol.
Yes, to both of you...it is taking it one day at a time...or even one moment.
And yes...suffering correctly or suffering well - I suppose would be a good way to put it.
Which in turn helps ease that suffering...it's just very often masked as or interpreted as something to avoid by our brains at all cost in some cases.
The idea the you must put out the doormat to pain or suffering is difficult for us as humans to do.
It's again, like overriding a master-program.
I don't find expecting parts of the future to turn out negative to be a pessimistic viewpoint...one always hopes for the best of course.
You don't buy a lotto ticket hoping to lose.
When I do lose though, it's worth to me is gone and it becomes trash, I don't get upset that I didn't win because I already knew my chances.
But again...no one is forcing me to play...life doesn't really give you a choice.
We will not always "win" at life, but "you can't win if you don't play" (say the lottery officials affectionately).
Knowing this also make the good, happy, peaceful, and enjoyable parts of life all the more precious.
That is why we need to be present in our lives as much as we can IMHO.
Not being present is kind of like holding onto that winning ticket and never cashing it - never taking the payout because the feeling of winning is far more valuable than the money.
It's self satisfaction, and is clinging to something ultimately worthless when never cashed.
This is in a way remaining stuck in place.
Not wanting to move on, because you may not win the next time, so why try at all...can't we just stay still!!!
I've made some really cool sandcastles in my life thus far...I have pictures of some, and sometimes I had help from others...but the castle that stands today is far removed from what began.
That is the natural progression.
Be proud of your own sandcastle and make it fucking amazing, help others with their own...
When it washes away sometimes all you CAN do is laugh as you suggest John.
It's within our power to change our perspectives and expectations...it's within our power to let go of those things in the past that still hurt us today.
My Dad would always help me with my math homework...he loved math...crazy...anyhow....
He would always try to change my perspective of it to how he viewed it - as a puzzle to be solved.
It didn't really help me become better at math, but rather it changed it from a math "problem" to a "puzzle".
I still wonder why they call them math "problems"?
That word has negative connotations...as do the "problems" in our lives.
Not everything in life has a happy solution of course, sometimes there is just pain.
It's only a problem if you cannot see past it.
Even in those moments of total rock-bottom - life crushing you with loss and suffering and pain we know it's also impermanent...the bad is just as much so as the good - yet we tend to choose to remember the painful times - or we can choose to also let them go just as we have to let go of those good things in our lives we wish we could keep forever.
We have to learn to let both the good and bad go...to focus on them as gone and stop replaying them as a new scenario in our heads over and over, hurting ourselves a bit more each time.
It's okay to remember them...but we need to learn to not live there.
Even good memories can cause negative emotional reactions given the right mood.
It's all a bit of tightrope walk I feel.
Gotta run for now....much love to you both and all!
Thank you both for your very wise and kind words.
A lot of suffering comes from having expectations of how things should be and being hurt when things don't pan out that way. This leads to negative thought patterns like, "nothing ever works out for me" etc. It's just clinging how we feel things should be. Our will. Desire nothing and have it all! I love you guys!
Yas, Renny!
Lol I tend to not really get excited about things that other people get excited about. People may be jumping around, giggling with glee and I'll just be standing there. It's not because whatever is happening does not make me happy or excited but because it too is fleeting. Humbug
Hahahahaha!!! True, but with a dash more apathy!You at 1:55
Yes but you’re crying on the inside, lol.Hahahahaha!!! True, but with a dash more apathy!
Yes but you’re crying on the inside, lol.
BTW - I bet you would have gotten a lot of girls back in HS employing the “dancing bag” video in the dark and then talking about how you can’t take the beauty of life lest it crush you!!
lmao
LMAOLolo! High school!? I'm adopting that right now for everything in my life going forward! Job interview? Check. Court appearance for speeding tickets? Check. Parent/teacher conference? Check. Ordering delivery pizza (not digiorno's)? Check. Drivers license renewal? Check. Jehovah's witnesses? Check. Etc...
Hahaha! Yay!LMAO
Good news!
My student loans have been approved to be discharged and dissolved!!
And...
From what I read in the letter...the money they garnished must be returned as well.
Hell yeah.
Now how will the universe balance this out?
I am very, very grateful!
Much love all!
Good news!
My student loans have been approved to be discharged and dissolved!!
And...
From what I read in the letter...the money they garnished must be returned as well.
Hell yeah.
Now how will the universe balance this out?
I am very, very grateful!
Much love all!
That’s amazing news Skare!! Congratulations!!!
I can’t imagine how much of a weight must’ve been lifted off just reading that!