Message Generation

[Matty]

No wonder aliens don't want to communicate with us.

 

[VVilliam]

No wonder aliens don't want to communicate with us.

Showing contempt is not a virtue

Could we please try not to flood serious topic threads with memes, insults, or other signals which express contempt for topics we might not agree with, or be interested in?

~ Source

 

[Matty]

Showing contempt is not a virtue

Actually it is.

Contempt is part of the virtue of justice, insofar as it seeks to discourage unjust injury.

What is being injured by this topic? The denigration of the human mind's ability to form hypothetical associations between disconnected concepts, by trying to imply something other than an ordinary activity can be conducted through associating random phrases.

 

[VVilliam]

Actually it is.

Contempt is part of the virtue of justice, insofar as it seeks to discourage unjust injury.

What is being injured by this topic? The denigration of the human mind's ability to form hypothetical associations between disconnected concepts, by trying to imply something other than an ordinary activity can be conducted through associating random phrases.

Your statement is not supported and so remains a simple opinion.

It would be better if you were able to show that the concepts are disconnected.

If the evidence presented causes one to feel 'injured' the virtuous option is to question if the injury is real or driven by emotional attachment to contrary beliefs.

 

[VVilliam]

Search "Denigration"
the action of unfairly criticizing someone or something.

Denigration = 116
Without
Respecting

 

[Matty]

Your statement is not supported and so remains a simple opinion.

It would be better if you were able to show that the concepts are disconnected.

If the evidence presented causes one to feel 'injured' the virtuous option is to question if the injury is real or driven by emotional attachment to contrary beliefs.

It isn't up to the naysayer to prove snake oil doesn't cure cancer. It's up to the huckster peddling his bullshit claims.

Random phrases are random phrases. If you claim otherwise, it's hogwash.

 

[VVilliam]

The random phases etc generate messages. That is clear enough to the astute reader.

A naysayers opinion is of no consequence, no matter how it is stated.

If you have any evidence to table which supports your contention, table it.

 

[Matty]

The random phases etc generate messages. That is clear enough to the astute reader.

A naysayers opinion is of no consequence, no matter how it is stated.

If you have any evidence to table which supports your contention, table it.

Your posts, which are composed of random phrases are self evident evidence. You're claiming that they're more than what's on the screen. Kind of obvious.

 

[VVilliam]

Lets do the science.

Search "Science"
the intellectual and practical activity encompassing the systematic study of the structure and behaviour of the physical and natural world through observation and experiment.

If we take an empty document and add to that the words "Theodore" and "is" and "a huckster" as so;

Theodore
Is
A huckster

and put that through a list randomizer;

We only have a certain amount of variations which can be shown.

Is
Theodore
a huckster

a huckster
Is
Theodore

Is
a huckster
Theodore

Theodore
a huckster
Is

Theodore
Is
a huckster

Adding more variables to the list, decreases the chances that those three entries will be randomly selected.

Currently my list [ComList] has individual 2515 line entries, many of which contain word-strings which are sentences and even paragraphs, and this is being added to daily.

The 2515 lines of data should mean that there is no way in which coherent messages can be produced randomly.

Since they obviously can, this points to the possibility/probability that we do not exist within a random chaotic universe/reality but something which is organized and mindful.

Add to that evidence for how written human language [sound codified] is able to be mathematically sorted into same-value lists, and the case for us existing in a created reality, increases.

Now I would not expect anyone who has been invested in emergent-theory materialism to want to have to deal with the evidence in any practical ethical manner, but facts are facts nonetheless - so anyone resorting to opinionated ad hominem slurs against me, who is also unsurprisingly unwilling to replicate the science I present in order to thoroughly test it for themselves, can only be regarded as someone who's opinion offers no meaningful challenge to what is being uncovered here.

___________________

 

[VVilliam]

250122
Two Five Zero One Two Two = 314
Intelligence Without Wisdom
SCL
5:12
AP= "Event String Unfolding"

Random Select [3]

Truth Without Proof Is Belief
Puerility
Unity with our Collective Self
Evaluating Cautiously
The Lord
What Is That You Are Playing With?
Attitude
You Are Watched Over
Change
Longing
You Have That Gleam In Your Eye
Fanciful
Musing On The Mother Act III
The Science Of The Soul
Perceived Obsolescence
Another
Start From Scratch
Curtailed
The Science of the Soul
For A Particular Reason
Elucidate
The Fog Is Lifting
Accept
Warm Presence Welcome
Between
Working With What Is Available
Learning To Fly
William's
Enfold
To Comprehend Correctly
Return
Do It For Oneself
The Cave of Origins
The Corporate Elite
Items of Interest
Gateway
The Overarching
Now We Are Getting Somewhere
Translate
Penetrate
Human Mind System
Nervous
Big Gaps In Logic
Computer Coding
Ars Notoria
Life On Mars Doc
As In...
We are important to their enquiry
Gift
We Could
When Done Say "Done"
Untrue
Subatomic Particles
Go
Penumbraa
The Point
Hint
End Of Chapter
Look Closely
Event String Unfolding
5:18

 

[Matty]

Lets do the science.

Search "Science"
the intellectual and practical activity encompassing the systematic study of the structure and behaviour of the physical and natural world through observation and experiment.

If we take an empty document and add to that the words "Theodore" and "is" and "a huckster" as so;

Theodore
Is
A huckster

and put that through a list randomizer;

We only have a certain amount of variations which can be shown.

Is
Theodore
a huckster

a huckster
Is
Theodore

Is
a huckster
Theodore

Theodore
a huckster
Is

Theodore
Is
a huckster

Adding more variables to the list, decreases the chances that those three entries will be randomly selected.

Currently my list [ComList] has individual 2515 line entries, many of which contain word-strings which are sentences and even paragraphs, and this is being added to daily.

The 2515 lines of data should mean that there is no way in which coherent messages can be produced randomly.

Since they obviously can, this points to the possibility/probability that we do not exist within a random chaotic universe/reality but something which is organized and mindful.

Add to that evidence for how written human language [sound codified] is able to be mathematically sorted into same-value lists, and the case for us existing in a created reality, increases.

Now I would not expect anyone who has been invested in emergent-theory materialism to want to have to deal with the evidence in any practical ethical manner, but facts are facts nonetheless - so anyone resorting to opinionated ad hominem slurs against me, who is also unsurprisingly unwilling to replicate the science I present in order to thoroughly test it for themselves, can only be regarded as someone who's opinion offers no meaningful challenge to what is being uncovered here.

___________________

You have asserted without evidence two things.

Firstly that the phrases are selected randomly, and secondly that the selections are coherent.

To the first, there is no true random selection, as all "random events" only appear so, but are entirely deterministic and subject to rules, laws, be they natural or artificial (such as computer algorithms).
https://engineering.mit.edu/engage/ask-an-engineer/can-a-computer-generate-a-truly-random-number/

To the second, you assert that the selections possess more coherence than the intrinsic coherence of each phrase. You have not provided any evidence for that either. Acceptable evidence would be that a large sample size of people reading the same selection of phrases all interpret it to have the same meaning. This would demonstrate that coherence is in the selection, instead of people subjectively trying to make incoherent nonsense coherent to themselves, reflecting the coherence of their reasoning process solely.

Finally, given that you have demonstrated neither true randomness, nor objective coherence, drawing conclusions about chaos and emergent coherence is entirely unjustified.

Assertion that your post of phrases are proof of acceleration and the colour indigo is equally as justified as the claims you have made about them.

 

[VVilliam]

You have asserted without evidence two things.

Firstly that the phrases are selected randomly, and secondly that the selections are coherent.

To the first, there is no true random selection, as all "random events" only appear so, but are entirely deterministic and subject to rules, laws, be they natural or artificial (such as computer algorithms).
https://engineering.mit.edu/engage/ask-an-engineer/can-a-computer-generate-a-truly-random-number/

I only asserted that the ComList is shuffled through a randomizing algorithm. I never asserted that there was actually true randomness.
I agree that all random events only appear to be random. Random implies lack of mindfulness, and since this universe only appears to be random, but is not - this also implies that there is mindfulness/a mind involved in its formation.

To the second, you assert that the selections possess more coherence than the intrinsic coherence of each phrase. You have not provided any evidence for that either. Acceptable evidence would be that a large sample size of people reading the same selection of phrases all interpret it to have the same meaning.

This is not a good way in which to do the science as it presumes - unreasonably - that such criteria must have to apply.

This would demonstrate that coherence is in the selection, instead of people subjectively trying to make incoherent nonsense coherent to themselves, reflecting the coherence of their reasoning process solely.

The coherence of the message itself can be acknowledged without including any subjective personal interpretation on what the message may mean or that the message should mean the same for everyone.

Further to that, the proper science involved with testing repeatability would have to be personalized lists through which the individual testing the system is best able to verify as true. Those lists would at least have to have a similar amount of line entries as my own ComList and while all such lists would share similar words/word-strings, they would also deviate from being exactly the same, for each individual who would test the system in order to ascertain the system is repeatable and delivers coherent messages.

For example, if you were to do the science [re testing for repeatability] I could not simply give you my list because it has entries on it which are related to my personal subjective experience and thus, will be incoherent to you and anyone else.
You would have to place entries on your list which reflect your personal experience and you know are true

Finally, given that you have demonstrated neither true randomness, nor objective coherence, drawing conclusions about chaos and emergent coherence is entirely unjustified.

As explained above, random implies lack of mindfulness, and since this universe only appears to be random, but is not - this also implies that there is mindfulness/a mind involved in its formation. In that, it is a reasonable conclusion to draw until a better explanation is given.
And - I don't have to demonstrate 'true randomness' as I have not claimed such a thing actually exists. Your use of this phrase therefore, is simply a strawman argument;

A straw man (sometimes written as strawman) is a form of argument and an informal fallacy of having the impression of refuting an argument, whereas the real subject of the argument was not addressed or refuted, but instead replaced with a false one. One who engages in this fallacy is said to be "attacking a straw man".

The numerical values of word-strings are factual and are repeatable, so no science is necessary re those. They are very handy used in conjunction with the message generating system.

But you really do need to re-think your argument and you will continue to have little more than opinion if indeed you are disinterested in doing the science re repeatability.

 

[VVilliam]

Re the truth that there is no such thing as true randomness;

I therefore base all my assertions on the idea that there is a mind behind what we call "creation/the universe" and reasonably assume that such a Mind can prove its existence to the individual, through the use of this Message Generating Process.
Extra evidence is provided by the imbued and indisputable status of human language [sound] mathematically valued through assigning numerical values to the letter-symbols which represent the sounds made re human language.

Together these two processes show good evidence in support of a Mind behind our reality, and as such - it is worthy of the individuals time and effort to investigate further and see what is found therein.

There is a mind behind what we call "creation/the universe" = 506
Constantly regard the universe as one living being < random coincidence? I think not.

Random coincidence? I think not. = 269

This Translates To That.

Unconscious mind inertia

Successful replications

There is a lot to unpack here

Of this Message Generating Process. = 341

Who Knows What That Is Worth?

Set the board up or put the game aside...

The hard problem of consciousness

Extra evidence is provided = 256

The Right Tool For The Job

It Is One Of Those Things

Compass of Divine Insight

Worthy of the individuals time and effort = 423

Creating Gateways Into Other Dimensions

True randomness does not exist = 355

Properly Assuming Integrity

 

[VVilliam]

AP= "Event String Unfolding"
This refers to both the universal event-string and individual/personal event-strings = connected/interconnected happenings.
Random Select [3]
Truth Without Proof Is Belief
Puerility
the quality of being silly in a way that a child would enjoy, not an adult:
Unity with our Collective Self
[Re AP]
Evaluating Cautiously
[such as with this Message Generating Process...[MGP] ]
The Lord
[Generally regarded as highest rank in religious mythology]
What Is That You Are Playing With?
[Re message generating and AP-subject]
Attitude
You Are Watched Over
Change
Longing
You Have That Gleam In Your Eye
[realizing the nature of the game being played re AP]
Fanciful
[highly ornamental or imaginative in design.]
Musing On The Mother Act III
[Role-Playing past event - referring to both environment and event-strings within that game-play - LINK]
Quote from link;

As I listen to Callum's reply to me,@ I am aware that he has missed the the science which was involved in the Message Generation Process which Wiremu associates with his Universal Intelligence Communication Devices.
Callum is focused upon the matter of fact that regardless of The Message being able to be interpreted, the interpretations are subject to the bias of the individuals who interpret them. I agree to that Matter of Fact, but get the impression that Callum thinks I claimed that individual interpretation could be proved through scientific method. Rather my claim was that the process could be used to provide evidence that Intelligence is behind - not only the Messages generated in this manner, but indeed, ALL that exists.

The Science Of The Soul
[Such as this MGP]
Perceived Obsolescence
[Perceived Obsolescence is when a customer is convinced, that he / she needs an updated product, even though his /her existing product is working well.]
Another
Start From Scratch
Curtailed
The Science of the Soul
[Duplicate entry - have deleted the duplicate from the ComList
Since it was selected anyway, it remains part of the message and appears to be pointing to a method being replaced by another method - leading me to think that it has to do with my designing this particular MGP off of the earlier way in which messages were generated through use of UICDevices, such as the one pictured below

Message Generating Process = 264
System of Giving Energy]
For A Particular Reason
[The reason was to make it the GMP accessible to anyone with a computer, word-processing software and time to dedicate to study through use of.]
Elucidate
[make (something) clear; explain.]
The Fog Is Lifting
[Things become clear]
Accept
...

 

[VVilliam]

260122
Two Six Zero One Two Two = 324
Exhibit your innermost core
Panpsychist Science Can Be Fun Too
8:38
SCL
AP= "In The Flow"
[Random select whole page;]
[Page 15 of 50 selected]
You Have That Gleam In Your Eye
Show Me Your Soul
To The Point
Illusion Algorithm
What Fun We Have!
Consciousness incarnates into human form
William's Job
Fitted
Subatomic Particles
Requirements
Inflame Emotions
Is life on earth being lived as it should be?
The Story of Cadriel
The Wisdom of Foresight
Hoo haha the laughing owl
Under a Question Mark
The Mainstream Program
Yes We Can
Inspiration
Make It Real
Meat For The Table
Vibration
The Lord God
Fear Of The Unknown
Of This Place
The Judgement Algorithm
Entheogenic
Which
Duality.
I'm okay with that
Gibberish
Placebo Effect
Perceived Obsolescence
Reflect
Old Outposts Of Form
Remove the phenomena and apply science
Surface Scratching
F4
Stuff
A Loving Mind
Somewhere
Inertia
Witch Woman of The Cat Realm
Entity
The Taming of The Beast
Pseudepigraphical
Worthy of the individuals time and effort
The Object
Behind The Scenery
Providence
Conjecture necessarily precedes proof
8:42

 

[VVilliam]

Witch Woman of The Cat Realm
Entity
The Taming of The Beast

Ngeru Whaea Is The Queen and Creator of The Realm of Cats. Ngaru was a witch in her former life on Earth and she was treated brutally by Christians who then burned her and all of her cats alive. Because of her nature while on Earth, she avoided The Realm of Judgement and was able to create her own Realm through the interaction of the Tabula Rasa.
[source]
Witch Woman of The Cat Realm = 256
Compass of Divine Insight
Extra evidence is provided
The Right Tool For The Job
Entity = 93
Intuit
On To It
Knowing
Rulers
The Taming of The Beast = 198
Exploit weakness

 

[VVilliam]

270122
Two Seven Zero One Two Two
Method of Selection = Random Numbers
[produced through rapid tapping of number keys;]
329579568873234
SCL
AP="I Know William"
Select all ComList and add numbering.
8:13
3. For The Best Results
2. Arms Crossed
9. All Because I Had To Ask
5. Small Steps
7. Please
9. All Because I Had To Ask
5. Small Steps
6. Military
8. Feelings Perceptions, and Behavior
8. Feelings Perceptions, and Behavior
7. Please
3. For The Best Results
2. Arms Crossed
3. For The Best Results
4. The Simplest Explanations For Why We Are Here And What We Are Doing
[same numbers now used in the tens]
329579568873234
32. The Dawning of The Universe
29. In The Team of the Collective
95. Have One For Me
57. The World
79. Dungeons and Dragons
95. Have One For Me
56. The Art
68. Pervasive
88. Sophia and Han
87. Love Heart
73. Yahweh
32. The Dawning of The Universe
23. Your House Work
34. The Great Attractor
43. Ocean
[same numbers now used in the hundreds]
329579568873234
329. Extraterrestrial
295. Source Intelligence
957. Galaxy
579. Mothers Milk
795. Capture
956. Realization
568. Galactic Encompassment
688. Progress
887. Habit
873. The Never Ending Story
732. Future Self
323. The Confusion Of War
234. EZPZ
343. Small
[same numbers now used in the thousands]
329579568873234
ComList currently only has only 2537 line entries - therefore - for all such higher numbers, I subtract the difference to arrive at a number lower than 2537...as in;
3295-2537=758
758. Walk
420. Small Elemental Powers
[for 9579 I subtract 2537 as many times as necessary to reach a lower number than 2537 as in;
9579-2537=7042-2537=4505-2537=1968]
1968. Break the glass ceiling
721. Spiritual Preparedness
345. Howdy!
1957. Get The Truth
614. The Neverland Metaphor
1813. A Loving Heart
1262. Regarding
1121. Keep An Eye Out for Ones Neighbours
697. Callum's Seventh Point
2343. Separation
9:11

 

[VVilliam]

Two Seven Zero One Two Two = 337
There is good out there
Blue yellow black green red
Quantum Entanglement
The Confusion Of War = 212
Encouraging Indication
The Science of the Soul
Universal Objective
GOD is not an elitist.
Less dense than water
The deserved second place
Callum's Seventh Point = 248
Make It Up AS You Go Along
Five interlocking circles
Everything is unique
Live with Soul Union

I find some clues in The Generated Message while intuiting that most of it is more likely to be understood by Wiremu...I refer to The Book Of Musing On The Mother Act II and find Callum's 7th point...I read it out loud...
Callum: Seventh, I do not think that just because a message can be interpreted in two opposite ways necessarily means it is unreliable. What I said was that a method of communication that relies on a limited list made by the recipient, typing numbers on a keypad (or some other seemingly random procedure) to pick out words/phrases on that list that produces a message that is easily interpreted into two opposing messages does not point to accuracy. There is so much that could go "wrong". That is something that must be overcome (perhaps indirectly) for the method to become a plausible vehicle for meaning to go from one being to another.
It is ...as I tried to explain...allowed, and taken into consideration. It is not about how individuals might find different meaning in any given message, but that they observe the requirement to follow the gist without reading things into it which are obviously not there, such as when Callum interpreted the communication between QueenBee and The Tanager as being about Wiremu, when Wiremu wasn't even mentioned by name. It is that type of interpretation which is best avoided. I did my best to explain step by step how I have found the appropriate manner in which to interpret messages such as these, but Callum didn't want to engage with that.
I suppose these are the barriers which determine suitability between two individuals, and act as the Tabula Rasa which define the Fragmentation of The Realms which make up the Hologram Dimensions. The Tanager wanted to use Callum to attempt to show Wiremu that "All People operate under the Judgmental Algorithm" - or in his own words...
I bring up The Booklet onto The Screen and find Tanagers words...

[source ~ Musing On The Mother - ACT III]

 

[VVilliam]

280122
Two Eight Zero One Two Two
7:14
SCL
AP="Your Own Individual Actions"
Your Own Individual Actions = 317
Windows of opportunity [Woo]
Random Select Process = first and last word-string on each page
Your Own Individual Actions
The Main Points on the Agenda
Seductive
Anticipation
Intelligent Awareness
The Neutral Zone
Theism hasn't lasted this long based upon the idea that while one does not know, one will believe anyway
Worthy of the individuals time and effort
Make It Up As You Go Along
Forgiveness
Construction
The External Voice
Penetrate
An individuals consciousness is more than what they are consciously aware of.
Face To Face
Living our forefather's conflict
Calculate the English language
You Are Watched Over
Myths and Legends
Deep Mind
Text2Num Doc.
You are
Code
Sweet Talk
What might occur?
The Confusion Of War
Foreign Accent Syndrome
Red Light
Confluent
Sit Tight
Useful
Universal Belief System
Positive Feedback
The Georgia Guidestones
Other way
Any Other Way
Egregore
False Accusations
Hyper-normalisation
Tetrad
Get Comfortable
Word - String Values
Insights!
Fling That Veil Aside
Conceptual Art
The Devil Ye Know
Old Outposts Of Form
A Matter of Knowing Where to Look
Heuristics
Use Your Freedom
Preparing for the Hunt
...
The Vector Symbol
Try
Fine Line
The Lord God
The Divine
Optimum Health
Let the facts speak for themselves
Slaughter
Musing On The Mother Act III
A Vital Purpose
Why?
Having To Learn a Whole Other Language
Is There Really Such a Thing as Random?
Fizzle Out
Welcoming
Hiraeth
~ Crosses Eyes and sticks tongue out ~
Is a Constant
Where is Truth?
Construct
Always
Etymology
Being on The Same Page
It is neither good nor evil
A naysayers opinion is of no consequence, no matter how it is stated
Stay The Course
Secret Root
Mind
Where are we getting our news from?
Inappropriate Costume
Be Aware Of Your Thoughts
Teaching Music
Everything is an expression of GOD
Confusion In The Air
The Realm of The Knowing of My Self
The Fine Art of Not Being Offended
All Because I Had To Ask
The Plateau of The Same Page
Encounters
First Things First
Is Like...
Better The Devil You Know
James Webb Space Telescope
Inordinately
Things Are Not Always As They Appear
Successful replications
Complete
Gods Gift
7:31
LINK RECENT POST

 

[VVilliam]

Musing On The Mother Act III
A Vital Purpose
Why?
Having To Learn a Whole Other Language
Is There Really Such a Thing as Random?
Fizzle Out
Welcoming
Hiraeth
~ Crosses Eyes and sticks tongue out ~

The Lord God = 108
Good and evil
Seductive
Friendship
Live with
Expectant
Geometry
Everything is an expression of GOD
Gods Gift = 87
Truth
Evaluate
Birthing
Different
Distant
Natural
Emergent
The Devil Ye Know = 178
Food for thought
Focused Individual
Carrier Identity
Ghost In The Machine
Better The Devil You Know = 279
Consciousness Incarnates
Thoughts Are Products Of...
The Universal Constants
Deep Mind
Mind
Where
Where are we getting our news from?
A Matter of Knowing Where to Look
Where is Truth?
The Fine Art of Not Being Offended
Conceptual Art
Use Your Freedom
Useful

Deep Mind
Text2Num Doc.
You are

=70
Galaxy
Secret
Liminal
A Black Hole
Shadow
Rarified
Deep mind
Yahweh
=85
You Are
Presence
Fearless
Separate
Matrix
Original
Overall
Hide and Seek
Use Mind
Mind Games
Noetics
You Are
You Are All Loveable...
You Are The Soul
You Are Watched Over
You are not wrong
You Are Provided For
When You Are Feeling Tired
The Entity I Am - The Entity You Are
What Is That You Are Playing With?
You Are Allowed To Laugh You Know
The Realm of The Knowing of My Self = 330
I Think – Therefore – Who Do I Think I Am?
A Matter of Knowing Where to Look = 339
Upon Further, Deeper Inspection
Absolutely Perfectly Beautiful.
The Vector Symbol = 202
I Spy With My Eye
James Webb Space Telescope {I spy with my eye]
James Webb Space Telescope = 224
Look For the Significance
The Fine Art of Not Being Offended = 272
The dawning of the universe
It is neither good nor evil
Conceptual Art = 149
The meaning of life
Water the garden
Milky Mother
Sophistry
Idiosyncratic
Use Your Freedom = 190
It Is Our Nature
Shine Your Light
Wishful Thinking
An identified reality
Useful = 84
Coincidence
Inalienable
Move On
Invent
Breasts
Accompanied
Strange
Capture
Charity